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anime/manga, fandom: bleach, fandom: prince of tennis, musicals, rps

Prince of Tennis musical wank: with a taste of Godwin and pretty boys
From wank_report:

People on the tutixnagayan comm, a community for RPS between two Japanese stage actors who played in musical versions of Prince of Tennis and Bleach, got a little carried away, finding 'clues' about their relationship as seen at the Bleach musical, basically making things up. Hinoai, ~~also a community member~~ (see edit below), was also at the event and tells them half the stuff posted didnt happen at all--perhaps not the smartest move, but apparently the girl values truth over fangirling. Big mistake as all RPSers turn out rabid and ZOMGDONTUDARESAYTHEIRLOVEISNOTREAL!!111 Hinoai is attacked by at least 20 people, who tell her she's an elitist wh0r, a fandom nazi and should go commit suicide. Original post about this sadly deleted, but I actually felt sorry for hinoai as they were REALLY extraordinarily nasty - some of these people knew her well enough to get really personal.

Hinoai runs a community with picture scans of magazines and photosets featuring the actors. It's a closed community, though everyone can join freely, for a valid reason as can be read at the userinfo. She did however go and ban everyone who attacked her personally and told her to go commit suicide etc. Not that unfair--why share her scans and things with people who obviously prefer her dead? The banning spree apparently applied to the Bleach myu comm as well, and probably involved bystanders who just happen to be a member of tutixnagayan. cavechan felt she did no wrong and contacted hinoai, who said she "Even though... missed my post, you still wanted to congratulate for everyone coming together to bash me". She has since been reinstated as member of tenimyuenorondo.

koneko_desu, also banned, took all the pictures and posted them openly on her own journal. She called it 'retaliation'. Sane people got disgusted. koneko_desu went batshit.

OK PPL!!

AM I PRAISING MYSELF FOR SNEAKING THESE SCANS?! NO
AM I HAPPY THAT I DID THIS?! NO
DO I SEE MYSELF AS A SAVIOUR OF THIS FANDOM (heaven forbid @.@ the word makes me gag)?! NO
SO WHY?!

I GOT TIRED OF GETTING SHOVED AROUND IN THIS FANDOM AND KNOWING OTHERS WHO SHARED THE SAME SENTIMENTS AND THUS DIDN'T GET THESE PICS, I WANTED TO SHARE THESE WITH THEM NOW THAT I DON'T HAVE TO FEAR GETTING THE CARROT IN FRONT OF ME BEING TAKEN AWAY SINCE IT'S ALREADY GONE!!! OK?! OK!

Good night everyone, it's just some pictures of pretty boys, go worry about world poverty or something. Jeez, do I get this many replies to posts about world disasters? Course not, che...so glad everyone's got their priorities straight.

Hinoai wrote a general response in her own journal, which also has a lot of the deleted comments from the original post.

Koneko_desu then made a post asking for everyone in the tenimyu community to tell her if she's ruining things for them. If she gets half the fandom to do so she'll delete and apologize. So basically? She's asking about 1000 people to comment on her journal. Attention whore much?

Edit: And behold, a new Bleach myu community created because "There comes a time in every young LJer's life when she feels she has to split off from those who've coddled her thus far and stake out a place of her own, a place to fangirl with others ~~where she can mod herself~~." Honourable mention of F_W on its userinfo.

Prince of Edit: We welcome an anti-hinoai mouse and hinoai herself in this thread with some clarification from both sides. (Or is it grudgewank?)

King of Edit: Screencaps from another mouse! (not the original tutixnagayan post, but congratulatory posts among themselves) And kooriyoukai laments on fandom, love and RPS!

The Last Edit: Read page 2 of comments with more guest appearances from hinoai, kooriyoukai, the bleach_myu mod and lots of mice. We finally get the missing piece of the puzzle here: Backup of the original comments in TxN, where hinoai is... well, actually wanky. And see how my original post is full of plotholes!

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Fun Wank but...wrong wanker
(Anonymous)
2006-02-01 07:03 am UTC (link)

Hah! I've been waiting for Hinoai to show up on F_W, since I've had a side seat to her antics for awhile now. But it seems she's being presented as being in need of a waaahmbulance, instead of being the driver.

Just some brief corrections to the OP: Hinoai was never a member of TutixNagayan; she showed up as a troll, blasting the mods of a Real Person Slash site for daring to imagine that there might be...Real Person Slash going on. O.o

Upon being told firmly by the mods to dl;dr, she then ran back to Tenimyuenorondo and announced her intention to ban any members of both communities who told her to entertain herself elsewhere.

She also announced her intention to cruise all LJ personal entries of the suspect members to find out if they were badmouthing her, and ban them for that, although they hadn't broken her site rules (except for the "Worship me as God" one.)

So yeah, Lotsa Fun Wank, Spy vs. Spy, and all that, but in my opinion, Hinoi is the supreme TeniMyuWanker (cool title!)I'm gonna get my popcorn and sit back and watch the drama--but what I really want to know is:

What are her thoughts on yaoi?

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	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker shylu 2006-02-01 07:08 am UTC (link)
	I'm all for equal opportunity wank, mouse, but it'd be nice if you have links. Otherwise how do I know you're not just grudgewanking? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker (Anonymous) 2006-02-01 07:18 am UTC (link)
	Ah, will do ASAP! But the problem is that the TutixNagayan post was deleted (as the OP mentions), so all I have are saved screencaps of the original trolling. Sorry for my inexperience, but how do I post those in a comment section? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker shylu 2006-02-01 07:20 am UTC (link)
	HTML: <img src="url of the picture"> (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker octopedingenue 2006-02-01 07:24 am UTC (link)
	Upload them to an image-hosting service like http://www.imageshack.us/ and post the HTML links. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker (Anonymous) 2006-02-01 08:44 am UTC (link)
	Ack! Sorry for the delay for the TutixNagayan Original wank, but Ancient computer = Ancient browser = frozen screen every time I try to upload onto imageshack (5 freakin times!). Will solve with friends' tech help by tomorrow AM. /embarrassed (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker
(Anonymous)
2006-02-01 08:24 am UTC (link)

*blinks* Hinoai here!

It's true, I was never a member of tuti x nagayan. A friend, who is a member of the comm, directed me to come to that post. I guess if someone posts the original comment that I made, it'll be obvious finally that I was never bashing the mods for liking RPS.

The mod never told me to delete it either, that was my own decision.. I kinda wish I knew where people were getting this 'information'... Also I never announced anything in tenimyuenorondo about banning people. In fact, an lj search easily shows that there are over 100 people who are members of both comms. X.x...

*blinks* And yeah, I like yaoi.... But the rest, I don't even think that I need to continue commenting on. X_x

-hinoai

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	(Anonymous) 2006-02-01 09:53 am UTC (link)
	Man, I just applaud you for understanding anything at all to do with your fandom. Forget the ships and RPS -- how do you people keep up on so much personal information? ;-) -thedorkygirl (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker
(Anonymous)
2006-02-02 09:23 am UTC (link)

t's true, I was never a member of tuti x nagayan.

And thus you should have kept your nose out of our comm.

A friend, who is a member of the comm, directed me to come to that post.

WHY? I can understand when it was someone who had put up the pictures from tenimyuenorondo, but this time seemed to be just plain random and so that you could insult everyone there.

I guess if someone posts the original comment that I made, it'll be obvious finally that I was never bashing the mods for liking RPS.

Of course you didn't bash our moderator "for liking RPS". You insulted her DIRECTLY and even ADMITTED to doing so! Unforunately, the thread and comments have been deleted, but several members DID save the comments before this happened (and funnily enough Hinoai HERSELF deleted all of HER comments before our mod did. A bit suspicious yes? If she wasn't so insulting, what reason would she have to delete her posts?). I have some of the comments saved myself, but I don't even know if it'd be worth posting without accusations of having been edited (which I'm sure there would be since her comments were seriously VERY rude).

I kinda wish I knew where people were getting this 'information'

I don't know where either since the announcing banning people from tenimyuenorondo ON tenimyuenorondo doesn't even make any sense to begin with. (uhm... all those people would have seen that post? der.)

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	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker (Anonymous) 2006-02-11 02:10 am UTC (link)
	Did I miss something? I thought the big mess was that Hinoai called someone on lying about stuff that didn't actually happen at BleachMyu, not that she was insulting anyone for likeing RPS or TutixNagayan or whatever. ONLY the lies were insulted. Unless I'm misunderstanding something here.... (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker
(Anonymous)
2006-02-01 11:06 am UTC (link)

Upon being told firmly by the mods to dl;dr, she then ran back to Tenimyuenorondo and announced her intention to ban any members of both communities

Not true. Check the memberlists of both communities you oaf, there are plenty of people who reside happily in both communities. The only ones she banned were the batshit crazy ones who, amongst other things, posted graphics to explain to her how to commit suicide as to 'make the world a better place'. And the ones who reposted pictures in spite, of course, as that broke the community rules. Durrrr.

I smell grudgewank.

~ lurkermouse (not so lurky anymore though. 'S just, my fandom's never been fandom_wanked before, it feels so tingly and special. I didn't know we had it in us!)

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	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker (Anonymous) 2006-02-01 07:26 pm UTC (link)
	I got called an oaf! Dorothy Parker, step away from the Algonquin Table; your wit has been eclipsed! I am skewered; I die.... :P (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker tiki 2006-02-01 07:52 pm UTC (link)
	How about instead of sitting there with your tongue hanging out, you post those screencaps you were cockteasing us with that'll prove hinoai is the real wanker here? Because, uh, your case, she isn't looking so good in the cold light of day. I die.... From your keyboard to God's ears, Grudgeykins. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker
(Anonymous)
2006-02-01 09:19 pm UTC (link)

[unrelated third party]

There has been much wank in the past from certain parties rhyming with "minoai," but sadly all that wank was kept to friends-locked posts and/or deleted afterwards. In this case she's pretty much innocent of all wank, but the mouse is correct that much wank has been propogated by her in the past.

Oh and regarding the screencaps - i'm the friend mouse was going to get them from, and actually they were of the first post cited, which the mouse thought was the ONLY post. I've since cleared this up, but sadly this also means no screencaps. But i'm sure we'll live without them somehow.

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Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker

tiki
2006-02-01 09:31 pm UTC (link)

I'm not doubting that she was wanky in the past, but those past wanks aren't what we're talking about here. Also, if she was doing it behind friendslock, that's significantly less wanky than whipping it out at Grand Central Station at rush hour, so to speak.
Actually a lot of this wank seems to hinge on posts that were always behind a lock. Even if stuff hadn't been deleted it would've made this whole thing hard to follow.

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	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker (Anonymous) 2006-02-01 10:23 pm UTC (link)
	No argument there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Finally! The original TutixNagayan post as promised!
(Anonymous)
2006-02-02 09:12 am UTC (link)

Damn, this was hard for an LJ newbie. Managed to finally upload the HTML saves of the original wank; at least, the first few pages. Can read the whole thing here:

http://ananimouse.livejournal.com/

As you can now see for yourself:

1. Hinoai invaded a comm (of which she was not a member) which promotes RPS between the Japanese actors Tuti and Nagayan (because she favors Truth Over Fangirling), and proceeded to insult the mod and a new member for daring to fangirl over a perceived "loving glance" between the actors at a Bleach Myu musical that both the mod (Kooriyoukai) and Hinoai attended in Japan (unclear as to whether they were both at the same performance.)

She seems to have been informed by a mole that Gratuitous Fangirling was going on unchecked!

2. Most of the posts show an even-handed attitude of "Well, yeah, the relationship might be imaginary, but we like to fantasize about it and aren't hurting anybody, and by the way...what the hell are you doing here if you don't like it?

3. Hinoai's reply: Protecting the fangirls of TutixNagayan from Teh Eval Lies! (puts on Truth Over Fangirling Superhero costume)

4. Members and mods respond: Eh, get over yourself, and...buh-bye.

Then, as seen in the rest of this wank, major wankage ensues, yeah, a whole lot on both sides--but the point is On Both Sides, not just the TxN comm.

My advice to Hinoai and friends: if you're going to initiate wank for the sheer dramatic fun of it... it seems a little disingenuous to complain when it avalanches onto your head.

As for the charge of grudgewank--well, look at the original post from Wank Report. Kinda one-sided in Hinoai's favor, dontcha think? Usually, the wanks posted on F_W are pretty even-handed in their mockery of both sides involved. This Wank Report post seems to go out of its way to defend her, AND to reference LJ posts that were friends-locked and deleted before this topic ever appeared on F_W. That's what seems grudge-wanky to me.

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	Re: Finally! The original TutixNagayan post as promised! (Anonymous) 2006-02-02 09:40 am UTC (link)
	I just love how this post says about 20 people ATTACKED Hinoai when it was actually only 8 and everyone was for the most part fair and had actual reasonings behind every sentence. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Finally! The original TutixNagayan post as promised!
(Anonymous)
2006-02-02 09:53 am UTC (link)

Unfortunately, this civil response was just the beginning of the wank. It got worse--LOTS worse--as far as I can tell from the other entries on this topic. (Luckily I wasn't around for the full sploogefest; just this beginning of it.) Not so much from the mods and original posters on this post, but from other members jumping on the bandwagon. I don't doubt that there were about 20 members tearing Hinoai a new one.

My point isn't to say that the TxN comm didn't end up wanking at all; my point is to show that Hinoai wasn't the innocent victim of unprovoked attacks as the original post implied.

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Re: Finally! The original TutixNagayan post as promised!
(Anonymous)
2006-02-02 10:14 am UTC (link)

Actually, it SHOULDN'T have gone any further because, guess what, that thank you thread that Hinoai has comments copied from... WAS FRIENDS-LOCKED. In other words, she was STILL being extremely rude by having some sort of spy in our community. The community is open for everyone. For all we know, she could have signed up as a new user, joined, and saw everything. Or one of her friends is simply spying on us. THAT is wrong.

One of the members, Tasukeai (a member of TxN), tried to calm everyone down and show that even she was being offended by what was being said. And I want to make clear that not everyone who is part of TxN shares the thoughts of those who were saying out-right rude things.

I also think it wasn't right that there was a lot of name-calling going on then. Neither did our mods and thus, DELETE! Also, a lot of the name-calling seemed to be born from other occurrences that have happened in the past, not JUST THIS INCIDENT.

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Re: Finally! The original TutixNagayan post as promised!

silverwind
2006-02-02 11:31 am UTC (link)

People can join TxN freely just to see locked posts, and then leave the comm again, right? I meant, mods don't get notifications on new members, and new members don't need approval to join.

I'm a friend of hinoai, although honestly I didn't approve of her action of commenting on TxN comm, and I don't know where she got the locked post and comments. I'm just offering a possibility that it's so easy for someone to join, read, and leave again.

All sides, IMHO, are guilty. That doesn't change the fact that the wank DID happen.

...I'm really using this icon more and more now. -_-;

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Re: Finally! The original TutixNagayan post as promised!
(Anonymous)
2006-02-03 11:55 am UTC (link)

I'm Leah, tasukeai on LJ.

I did try to calm everybody down. I posted a link to the original, very public post on LJ. I did not encourage anyone to go and flame anyone else. It was more of a 'wtf' reaction, because I was confused as to whether or not people were toting these 'speculations' about the actors behavior as fact.

I never said anyone was lying, I never said 'hey, let's go insult people'. I discourage conflict. I've been a very quiet member of that community, I have not before broken any rules.

I'm really getting sick of being called a 'spy' and a 'mole' and other things, which, when people saw me on hinoai's friends list, automatically assumed I was.

That's hurtful, nasty, disgusting behavior. I spoke up in the community about the gratuitious bashing, but I never defended any defamatory remakrs. I don't think she should have called the mod out and accused her publically, but that was her own choice. I will stand by her for the egregious bashings afterwards, in which I was *very* respectful, even to the people calling her untrue names and telling her to go die.

I wish you guys would get your facts straight before accusing people of things. I never did anything wrong, not in the slightest, towards a single member of the tuti x nagayan community. I even received a warning from Kooriyoukai herself, telling me that this was the 2nd time I had 'led' someone to her community to cause trouble, which was news to me, seeing as I've never done anything of the sort. Evidently there was an issue before, and they just assumed it was me, without any sort of proof, because hinoai said 'a friend' directed her and I happen to be in the comm and on her friends list.

So in short, I don't think either side was right, I don't think either side bears no blame, and I'm tired of being accused of doing things I haven't done when I wasn't even really involved in the whole bloody clusterfuck.

Stop blaming me, I didn't do anything to your community. Blame yourselves for your disgraceful behavior. There are more adult ways of voicing your dislike than what you all did. Personally, if I were you, I'd be ashamed of myself.

- Leah

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Re: Finally! The original TutixNagayan post as promised! - (Anonymous), 2006-02-03 11:58 am UTC

Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker
(Anonymous)
2006-02-01 02:03 pm UTC (link)

Man. You people all have PHDs in bullshit.

90 percent of that isn't true.

She opened her mouth on the TxN comm when she shouldn't have, and that's about it. She was wrong to do so and openly said so afterward. She faced a pretty decent retribution for it, and that should be the end of it, but people continue to be immature.

She banned people who told her to go kill herself, and openly lied about her, from her own community. Nowhere else. Why should she be obligated to give things out to people that told her to go die?

Where you found the other information, I can only assume it was up some random fangirl's ass.

Both sides wanked, end of story. Considerable more wankage on the TxN side since, you know. There were over a hundred comments made of derogatory-to-hinoai material, most of them where she couldn't see them until she joined the community to see the locked post.

I've been really nice to people about the entire issue and respected everyone's opinions, but I'm tired of seeing outright lies posted as fact.

I don't know about you all but High School ended for me in 1998.

- Leah

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	Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker (Anonymous) 2006-02-04 02:32 pm UTC (link)
	iawtc...a lot (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: Fun Wank but...wrong wanker
(Anonymous)
2006-02-04 07:09 pm UTC (link)

Quote: "Considerable more wankage on the TxN side since, you know. There were over a hundred comments made of derogatory-to-hinoai material, most of them where she couldn't see them until she joined the community to see the locked post."

Let me see if I've got this straight. Alerted by some member of TxN (not you, as you assert) that excessive fangirling was going on, Hinoai dropped in on the comm to which she did not belong and wanked badly (see Original TxN post above.)

Then, one of the targets of Hinoai's wank put up a friends-locked post (open only to the eyes of TxN comm members) and apologized for the inadvertent wank, whereupon other members of TxN jumped in and posted their derogatory opinions of Hinoai the Wanker.

Whereupon Hinoai deliberately joined the TxN comm so that she could read the friends-locked post--and was incensed to discover that she was being insulted, which was the purpose of her joining TxN.

And you say that TxN was being wankier.

....

I agree with you; Earth logic is highly overrated.

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