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Jedi Knight Miki ([info]jedi_miki) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-02-02 16:35:00


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Current mood:Gobsmacked
Current music:GO!!! - Flow
Entry tags:fandom: avatar the last airbender, icky girls

Strong female characters with powers are just blobs of cliche!
Even the Avatar: The Last Airbender fandom isn't free of wank, as demonstrated when [info]fairsmithchild shows the community of [info]avatar_fans when she rants on how the only female main character, Katara, is a useless blob of cliche.

I'll copy the entry in question here, because the community owner believes that the internet is made out of sunshine and rainbows and people shouldn't fight in her community.

I think I might be alone in this but doesn't anyone else think there's more to Avatar than who's ending up with who? It seems to me that the majority of the posts lately have been Avatar fanfiction and fan art. My disgust for fanfiction aside, there is plenty to talk about besides who you ship. So in an attempt to break up the monotony of fanfiction and fanart pimping posts, I propose a discussion:

I think females in Avatar have been cheated. Of the five main characters, only one is female - the poorly written, blob of cliche known as Katara. Whereas the four main male characters are all governed by distinguishable and well-defined personalities, Katara is completely inconsistent. Case in point: We never see Katara doing anything even remotely athletic, and suddenly in "The Waterbending Master" she's flipping all over the place like a frickin' water ninja.

Not only is she completely stereotypical and bland, the writers have the gall to make her stupid! For example, in "The Great Divide" she takes the proffering of food on the justification of "Well, if everyone's doing it, then I guess it'd be okay." Not to mention her rampant gullibility.

And OF COURSE it's the female character who has the amazing healing ability (as if she needed more upgrades. What is she, Tessaiga?)

So, are the Avatar writers/creators ever going to write in a decent female lead character? They obviously are capable of doing so, judging from what they have done with the male chararacters (Sokka, Aang, Iroh, and Zuko are all deep, unique, and fascinating characters.) I guess we'll just have to wait and see if Zuko's sister is any better.


I'm surprised this didn't turn into a shippingwank, considering the first part of the post.

It seems that everyone politely disagrees with [info]fairsmithchild, until [info]amurderofcrows lays the smackdown on Fairsmith, who apparently does this bashing thing a lot.

[info]chirachira suggests that Fairsmith put this bashing/rant in her journal, to which Fairsmith says "So do you mean I'm not allowed to discuss anything controversial on this forum? What is the forum for but for discussion?". A few commenters decide to set Fairsmith straight on what is a "discussion" and what is "bashing".

Fairsmith then whines about opinions, where she gets served by [info]amurderofcrows, who calls "Troll". Fairsmith does the classic "I thought we were friends!", which doesn't seem to work on Crows.

[info]akavertigo steps in with the Troll calling in the form of a photoshopped image. This spurs the usual "Haha, you winz!" vs "SO immature!" miniwank.

There's a little bit of everything if you look at the rest of the wank, but Fairsmith stopped responding to them all (lack of witty comments?).

D'awww, the Avatar fandom is growing up!

Edit: It appears that Fairsmith has been deleting her own comments and her friends are coming to her aid (in the comfort of screened commenting, of course). There might be more to this wank than what we see!




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(Anonymous)
2006-02-03 01:14 am UTC (link)
If men can't write women, can I write men? Because damn, if not then all my stuff is done for.

~Serein.

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(no subject) - [info]wrongly_amused, 2006-02-03 03:45 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-02-03 01:22 am UTC (link)
D'awww, the Avatar fandom is growing up!

Yeah, it is kinda cute :) My brother's peers are capable of wank, haha...

&hearts Barbariansheep

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[info]nanthimus
2006-02-03 01:39 am UTC (link)
Well I've got nothing. Just here to throw in my love for Katara. <3

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[info]mouseykins
2006-02-03 01:48 am UTC (link)
......AVATAR HAS WANK?

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-02-03 01:50 am UTC (link)
I declare that the Avatar fandom is not grown up until someone recommends me some good Zuko/Sokka porn!

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(Anonymous)
2006-02-03 01:57 am UTC (link)
Dear fairsmithchild;

I'd like to inttroduce you to Katara's brother Sokka. Obviously, you've never met.

- Freezer de la GAFF.

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(Anonymous)
2006-02-03 02:05 am UTC (link)
Wait, what? Am I hearing someone claim Sokka is a decent character? He's a walking cliche if I ever saw one.

--dreamingreader

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-02-03 02:16 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lady_january, 2006-02-03 10:14 pm UTC
*Sokkalove* - [info]octopedingenue, 2006-02-04 07:18 pm UTC

[info]slackeremeritus
2006-02-03 02:27 am UTC (link)
Okay, I'm one of those oblivious folk who honestly had NO clue there was wank in the Avatar fandom. I mean... IT'S AVATAR. I just watch it for the nifty-cool magickal powers and the martial arts.

And the clothes.

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(no subject) - [info]octopedingenue, 2006-02-03 02:36 am UTC
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[info]frau_eva
2006-02-03 02:37 am UTC (link)
It seems to me that the majority of the posts lately have been Avatar fanfiction and fan art.

In a fandom community? What HORRORS! What will those fanbrats think up next? *shakes fist*

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(no subject) - [info]nlb_muffin, 2006-02-03 03:13 am UTC
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[info]waterfront
2006-02-03 03:25 am UTC (link)
Oh shit I'm in there.

*wanker*

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[info]waterfront
2006-02-03 03:28 am UTC (link)
Plus! I don't know if this happened to anyone else, but fairsmithchild did respond to one of my comments, then deleted her comment before I could reply in turn. I think I still have the comment-notification, but can't be sure.

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(correcting html, sorry!) - [info]waterfront, 2006-02-03 03:38 am UTC
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[info]aerobot
2006-02-03 03:57 am UTC (link)
...but because this just shows that no matter how well written or how well rounded a female character is, they are always always heavily (and mostly unfairly) criticized.

DING DING DING DING DING! YOU ARE A WINNER!

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oh, my. - [info]chirachira, 2006-02-05 08:08 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-02-03 04:34 am UTC (link)
Snort. I miss read the title and thought that "Strong female characters with powers are just boobs of cliche." That would be a funnier wank.

~zoot

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Icon call! - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2006-02-03 06:58 pm UTC
Re: Icon call! - [info]cyndra_falin, 2006-02-03 09:29 pm UTC
Your wish is my fucking around in photoshop - [info]chartyhoax, 2006-02-03 09:46 pm UTC
Re: Your wish is my fucking around in photoshop - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2006-02-03 09:48 pm UTC
Re: Your wish is my fucking around in photoshop - [info]jedi_miki, 2006-02-03 09:50 pm UTC
Re: Your wish is my fucking around in photoshop - (Anonymous), 2006-02-03 10:31 pm UTC
Re: Your wish is my fucking around in photoshop - (Anonymous), 2006-02-04 01:22 am UTC
Re: Your wish is my fucking around in photoshop - [info]chartyhoax, 2006-02-04 01:40 am UTC
Re: Your wish is my fucking around in photoshop - [info]octopedingenue, 2006-02-04 07:13 pm UTC
Re: Your wish is my fucking around in photoshop - (Anonymous), 2006-02-05 07:09 am UTC

sharonapple
2006-02-03 05:26 am UTC (link)
I wish I could watch Avatar more, but it's scheduling on the channels in my area confuses me a lot. So I end up watching it at weird times, like four AM when I should be sleeping. But this problem will be solved when I find the DVD, muwahahaha!

Er. Um. More Jun?

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(no subject) - sharonapple, 2006-02-03 05:44 am UTC

[info]dikaios
2006-02-03 05:38 am UTC (link)
I think I'm more confused by amurderofcrows coming off as being on the slightly less wanky side here.

...dare I hope that wankers can reform?

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[info]wakuchan
2006-02-03 05:42 am UTC (link)
Ah, I was waiting for this show up. The fandom's growing up! *pretty much stayed out of it*

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[info]plazmah
2006-02-03 06:17 am UTC (link)
Damn. Now I wish I watched more Avatar!

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[info]lynstraine
2006-02-03 06:35 am UTC (link)
I love the vaguely misogynistic bent with which most of these 'OMG THE FEMALES ARE SOOO LAME' rants are flavored, if subconsciously. We could pick at similar 'inconsistencies' in the other characters, but then, that would be retarded, because it's not that they're inconsistent--they're just DYNAMIC. God fucking forbid. What a jackass.

Additionally, the show gave plenty of hints that Katara wasn't a weak girl, seeing as she has a relatively short temper and tends to react violently when it's piqued. This has ALWAYS been the case. I actually find her interesting for this, because it seems like she has to struggle with a lot of anger issues against her otherwise friendly nature. Her comment that it was okay to do something if everyone else was doing it wasn't 'stupidity,' it's the natural reaction of a what, fourteen year old girl? Blah blah whatevercakes.

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[info]darkrose
2006-02-03 08:10 am UTC (link)
What network is Avatar on? I ask because I'm getting dish next week, and apparently, Jason Isaacs does the voice of General Zhou.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2006-02-03 08:30 am UTC
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[info]redjackcash
2006-02-03 08:35 am UTC (link)
Whazuh...whosa...whaaaa? I...I thought most of the people who watched this show were my the age of my nieces and nephews. Craziness!

Makes me wonder if people wanked about my favourite childhood nicktoons while I was just a babe. Pete & Pete wank...Rocko's Modern Life wank....ooooh, Ren & Stimpy wank! Oh if only.

Oh man. "Are You Afraid of the Dark?" wank...

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(no subject) - [info]scootermcgaffin, 2006-02-03 05:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hickorydickory, 2006-02-03 09:16 pm UTC
...down at the Roooundhouse! - [info]redjackcash, 2006-02-04 01:33 am UTC
Re: ...down at the Roooundhouse! - [info]hickorydickory, 2006-02-04 10:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2006-02-04 07:42 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-02-03 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jedi_miki, 2006-02-03 08:37 pm UTC
The constant OMG JAK IS MY BISHI HE'S SO HAAAWWWT posts get old too - [info]redjackcash, 2006-02-04 01:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2006-02-04 12:41 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-02-04 03:47 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-02-03 10:19 am UTC (link)
And OF COURSE it's the female character who has the amazing healing ability

Well, if it makes her feel any better, it was a guy with the amazing healing abilities in X-Men.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-02-03 07:56 pm UTC

[info]annabelle_lee
2006-02-03 10:24 am UTC (link)
Nothing personal to the sane Avatar fans, but holy hell. I'm glad I decided to just watch the show for what it is. I mean, I'm already in the HP fandom and you really can't beat that kind of wank.

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Whaaat?
[info]aegflota
2006-02-03 02:58 pm UTC (link)
Since when did posting an image macro mean that the entire fandom was lacking in compassion, empathy, and spiritual nutrition?

I looked at the Troll picture five times, still can't work out what's so wrong with it. Blazinwolf's reaction to it was almost more confusing than the wank.

If this community fails to show one ounce of of compassion or even a freaking conscience, then I will indeed leave the avatar fandom.

You noble, noble soul.

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Re: Whaaat? - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-02-03 03:49 pm UTC

[info]tavalya_ra
2006-02-03 03:01 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I actually know someone mentioned in this post. And I mean know not as in "met over the internet" but know as in "sat next to her in class."

::is a little stunned::

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Gah. I'm a member of that comm.
[info]mcity
2006-02-03 04:13 pm UTC (link)
I think I might be alone in this but doesn't anyone else think there's more to Avatar than who's ending up with who? It seems to me that the majority of the posts lately have been Avatar fanfiction and fan art.
Here's an idea: post something else.
I think females in Avatar have been cheated. Of the five main characters, only one is female
Only one female character in a patrocentric(I made a word!) society? Gosh, alert the NAACP.
Not only is she completely stereotypical and bland, the writers have the gall to make her stupid! For example, in "The Great Divide" she takes the proffering of food on the justification of "Well, if everyone's doing it, then I guess it'd be okay." Not to mention her rampant gullibility.
1. That's rationalizing, and people do it regardless of intelligence.
2. What gullibility?

And OF COURSE it's the female character who has the amazing healing ability (as if she needed more upgrades. What is she, Tessaiga?)
Three lines ago, you said she was stereotypical. Make up your mind.

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