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emiweebee ([info]emiweebee) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-02-16 22:45:00


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Current mood:Mildly Amused

OMG racistic and pre-fandom!
So I thought I'd take a break from drooling over Russian figure skaters and bring up more race wank, this time from [info]ohnotheydidnt, since we all know its members are very intelligent and not trolls.

[info]ellinoriane posts about an upcoming show on FX, "Black. White." It was apparently previewed on "Oprah" today. The premise is a black family and a white family get made up to physically portray the opposite race, and then experience life as that race. I think it's an interesting idea; it can illustrate things that whites cannot necessarily know, like automatic profiling, and things that blacks cannot necessarily know, which is that white people are bitches to everyone.

ONTD members of course sound off on the propriety of the show.

THRILL! As [info]__electrixx explains no one can ever truly know the pain of being a minority unless one has been born into GENERATIONS OF OPPRESSION, and is echoed here.

CHILL! As various members cannot figure out which family was originally what colour, thus allowing for [info]day_afterday to completely snow members into thinking she's serious.

And otherwise wait for the obligatory "Black people are racist too!" "Bitch, shut the fuck up, your grandparents enslaved mine by being white!" comments.

The moral of this story, children? It's not a good idea to ever try to understand where the other person's coming from, because you just can't know, okay? It's better to be ignorant, okay?? Because acquiring the characteristics of a black person to firsthand see how they are treated = blackface, but apparently the same cannot be said for the reverse. Also, the really black family is a shame to their race. A shame.

ETA: White posters take back every nasty thing ever said about black posters, and a link is posted that proves reverse racism doesn't exist because white people laugh at "cracker" or "honky". The essay had me firing off a comment before I managed to restrain myself and hold back on pressing that post button. No i_wank here, folks.



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[info]solunatic
2006-02-17 09:05 am UTC (link)
Wow. It's very werid that Avenue Q's, "Everyone's A Little Bit Racist," just came on my computer.

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pink_lightning
2006-02-17 09:09 am UTC (link)
I'm surprise no-one's busted out White Liberal bingo.

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pink_lightning
2006-02-17 09:12 am UTC (link)
O.o

Those are fucking AMAZING prosthetics! I mean, yeah, yeah, racism blah blah blah, but GOD DAMN! That is serious make-up skill!

[/the little honky DT]

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[info]pauraque
2006-02-17 09:57 am UTC (link)
I happened to see this on Oprah today (uh, not that I watch Oprah >_>), and yeah, they did look pretty amazing. The white father in makeup actually resembled someone I know who is part black and part Indian (from India), but he definitely didn't look white anymore. When I first heard about it, I was imagining that classic Eddie Murphy sketch from SNL and thought it would be godawful, but at least they did a good job technically, which made it less laughable.

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[info]llama_treats
2006-02-17 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Are you seeing better pictures than I am? Them's the fakest looking black and white folks I've ever seen.

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pink_lightning
2006-02-17 09:16 am UTC (link)
Sorry, triple post, but this is a gem:

That's just like these stupid celebrities putting on fat suits and saying it "changed their perspective on life".

SHUT THE FUCK UP! One day as a severely obese person doesn't do SHIT when you can unzip your lardass and go back to being yourself. Same rules apply here - just cause you look black doesn't ever mean you can know what being black is like.

/soapbox

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[info]billymasqets
2006-02-17 09:23 am UTC (link)
Why thank you, C. Thomas Howell.

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[info]nlb_muffin
2006-02-17 09:23 am UTC (link)
ABC News Article

One of the producers is Ice Cube.

"Of course, just because you have on makeup, you are not going to become another race," Ice Cube said. "For instance, for a black man, the obstacles you learn as a boy are being thrown up in your face. Those obstacles will always be stumbling blocks for you and just because you have on a black face doesn't mean you understand that. But from the way the two families deal with each, you learn a lot. It took awhile for Bruno to come to grips with what was going on and what he was seeing."

The reality show/documentary seems to be more about opening up dialogue than anything. I guess this is a Bad Thing, though, according to certain ONTD posters. Somehow.

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[info]nebbieq
2006-02-17 10:25 am UTC (link)
This will only end in tears. Tears, I say.

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(Anonymous)
2006-02-17 12:11 pm UTC (link)
I don't know what I think of it.

On the one hand, it seems absolutely guaranteed to generate wank every step of the way, so, yay for us?

On the other hand, it honestly only looks like it's ever going to generate wank. I'm just not sure these social experiments ought to be put out there for the entertainment of the masses.

... wait, what am I saying?

I read f_w for the sole purpose of laughing at shit like this.

Bring on the popcorn!

- viridian @ livejournal

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[info]hallidae
2006-02-17 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Heh. I saw the preview for that show on Spike last week, and I just rolled my eyes and thought "Oh, here we go." Good to know my prediction skills are still going strong.

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[info]wrongly_amused
2006-02-17 04:47 pm UTC (link)
I'm kind of tired of the "reverse racism is a myth" argument, myself. All essays and arguments I've seen for it just convince me that the author has racism issues of their own.

*Anybody* can be racist. Black, white, hispanic, asian, etc. Why is this so difficult to conceive?

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[info]aerobot
2006-02-17 05:26 pm UTC (link)
I've got 'Black or White' in my head SO FREAKING BAD right now.

*moonwalks*

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(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2006-02-17 08:34 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-02-17 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Fandom linkage to watch:

Because you KNOW that once the show starts airing, the spooge will be found here:

http://www.fxnetworks.com/?page=community

My favorite part is when race is compared to dog breeds and that people are a mix of 5 breeds and such. Okay!

--dreago on LJ

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[info]gal_montag
2006-02-17 06:18 pm UTC (link)
It's not a good idea to ever try to understand where the other person's coming from, because you just can't know, okay?

Being black for one day =/= understanding what it means to be black every day. People need to get over this need to understand and just get that they will *never* understand. I will never know what it's like to be a white, female, Jewish parapalegic, and she will never know what it's like to be me. and because of that, I can't make assumptions about who she is or where she is going and how she's gonna get there because I am not her and I do not know what it's like to be her.

That's easier said than done, but, y'know, it'd be okay if people'd fucking try.

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[info]elektra3
2006-02-17 06:21 pm UTC (link)
It's brutally ironic to use the black participants as a site of white edification.

Because the black family, being black and therefore all-knowing with regards to race relations, has absolutely nothing to learn from this.

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(Anonymous)
2006-02-17 06:34 pm UTC (link)
My ancestry is mixed Cherokee and British (with some Polish thrown in just for kicks), some time ago I decided this means I'm constantly opressing myself.

But I'm interested on how racist this makes me against black people. Especially if I find Will Smith hot (I'm using him as an OBJECT!).

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OMG - [info]wickedwitch, 2006-02-17 09:00 pm UTC
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[info]mcity
2006-02-17 08:52 pm UTC (link)
Weren't there a book and SNL sketch on this? About twenty years ago?

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(Anonymous)
2006-02-17 09:02 pm UTC (link)
That's why I like the Romans. They enslaved everyone.

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flightstothesea
2006-02-17 09:35 pm UTC (link)
Yeah-- no. All issues of whether this will open up discussion on racism and Make a Difference (it won't) aside, that just doesn't look right. You can't change basic bone and facial structure, and that's a considerable part of the physical differences here. *headdesk*

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(Anonymous)
2006-02-17 11:10 pm UTC (link)
Pfft. Just get rid of all the money. That'll get you closer to being able to understand each other than trying to switch lives for a day. Things were pretty equal back in the day. and by "equal" I mean "nobody had anything worth being envious over", and by "back in the day" I mean "when we all frequently went without power and running water."

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(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2006-02-18 12:01 am UTC

[info]sailorjpg
2006-02-18 02:14 am UTC (link)
My personal favorite part was watching the promo on http://www.fxnetworks.com/. "Black ans midnight. White as snow white!"
...there's some prime songwriting there.

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[info]plazmah
2006-02-18 03:49 am UTC (link)
I always feel left out during these black vs. white wanks. We need to get the whole spectrum involved every now and then.

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(no subject) - [info]malika, 2006-02-18 11:24 am UTC
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[info]saintedsin
2006-02-19 08:30 am UTC (link)
I'm tired of black vs white.

How many native americans (I mean real BIA certified native americans not the ones who claim relation to pocahontas or say their grandmother told them they were indian) do you know?

Lets get some black and white people bitching about racism to go live on the Rosebud reservation for a day.

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