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	nlb_muffin 2006-03-02 12:27 am UTC (link)
	Wow. Something scared off the punctuation in that recap. I love Hephaestion's contemptuous "LOOKIT ME" dance. (Reply to this)

	adora_spintriae 2006-03-02 01:12 am UTC (link)
	Wow, they're still going on about it? (Reply to this)

	dracothelizard 2006-03-02 01:42 am UTC (link)
	But what are their thoughts on yaoi? Icouldntresist And my lord, they are as stubborn as the Harry/Hermione folk! (Reply to this)

	madelfdisease 2006-03-02 02:23 am UTC (link)
	Does QAF fandom do anything but wank? Ever? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sailorjpg 2006-03-02 02:40 am UTC (link)
	Isn't it sort of a prerequisite of the Fandom? cheapmaturbationjoke! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	angel_kathryn 2006-03-02 02:46 am UTC (link)
	OT, but major icon love. :D (Reply to this)

dawnydiesel
2006-03-02 03:18 am UTC (link)

Fuck, this fandom is batshit crazy.

You know, being a big fan of the show myself, the only that really bugs me is the fact that I'm considered a "lesser fan", per se, because I was a bigger fan of Ben/Michael and Emmett/Drew than Brian/Justin. My enjoyment of the show didn't revolve around Brian/Justin...maybe that's why I enjoyed the show to the end. And it may be why I'm not really considered batshit crazy myself.

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luxshine
2006-03-02 06:41 am UTC (link)

Hear, hear. I'm a Micheal fan, regardless of whom he ended up with (as long as it wasn't with Dr. David but well :D), I loved Ben/Micheal most of season 2 and 3, and stopped watching the show in season 4 because I couldn't get HBO. But I shied away from the fandom all that time. Because what little I read made me feel as if I was going to be crucified for not caring for Brian/Justin as a couple...

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	dawnydiesel 2006-03-02 07:05 am UTC (link)
	IT wasn't so much crucifying...more along the lines of "Neener, neener, neener! Mikey sucks! B/J rocks!!11!!!" I was just pretty much always treated as though I wasn't a real fan because my enjoyment of the show didn't lie with that specific couple. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	luxshine 2006-03-02 04:43 pm UTC (link)
	THat's awful. I did got flamed once when I dared to mention that I thought Justin deserved something better than what Brian offered him, which was when I said "Well, then... have a nice day" and left. REading this and the old vodoo wank? I can't say I'm sorry. (Reply to this)(Parent)

prettyveela
2006-03-02 07:51 am UTC (link)

I love Michael too! That's why I never dived into the fandom, I had no idea that Mikey was such a hated character, dude for what?

It seems like they not only hate the character, they hate the actor who plays him as well. Hal is a sellout for going "mainsteam" or summin like that.

From what I gather from this wank, the writers had an ax to grind with the actor who played Justin?

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luxshine
2006-03-02 04:50 pm UTC (link)

Well, he was Brian's best friend since childhood, so, really, knew him better than Justin. Also dared to interrupt Brian's first time with Justin (I mean, who does Micheal think he is, telling Brian that his son was being born), told Brian repeatedly what a bad idea was to get involved with Justin and wasn't all happy when they finally got together. Also, he wasn't immediately on board with the Justin love, and since he loved Brian, was being petty and jealous. Oh, oh... and played right in with the system when he got married to the man he loved. Bad, bad Micheal.
Hal, besides going 'mainstream', is not gay. And apparently, Hot. So... He was an easy target.
But then again, for what little I understand of B/J rabid shippers, any one not seeing the true love between Brian and Justin either is a) blind, or b) has an ulterior motive. So...
(I know I'm going to hell for this, but I always thought Justin would have been a lot more interesting as a character if he had, I don't know, died either in the S1 finale, or later on due to that. BUt that's just because I thought the character lost direction around S3 so...)

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wanktastic
2006-03-02 07:37 pm UTC (link)

I like Hal but he has made it sort of easy for a lot of people to dislike him. In a notorious interview, he compared kissing a man to kissing a dog. I believe he meant it in the sense that neither turns him on and not in the homosexuality = bestiality sense, but it was still a loaded and dumbass comment to make when trying to promote a show about queer culture. A lot of Hal haters latched on to that, as well as other similarly controversial comments, as a reason to hate him. They're grasping, IMO, but Hal's inability to be diplomatic made it easy for them.

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	rachelmap 2006-03-02 07:43 am UTC (link)
	I must be a lesser fan than you because I didn't give a toss who wound up with who, I just hoped Emmett would find a guy that'd treat him right and not die. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dawnydiesel 2006-03-02 08:13 am UTC (link)
	Emmett was and is my favorite favorite character on the show. I adored him and Drew but I just loved who Emmett was. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rachelmap 2006-03-02 09:56 am UTC (link)
	Yup! Me too. :-) (Reply to this)(Parent)

gogoruse
2006-03-02 09:03 am UTC (link)

To be honest I almost stayed out of the fandom totally after coming across some comments that couldn't distinguish Hal from his character of Michael and recaps that went on about the B/J scenes, but I kept asking myself what about the other characters?

There's that certain faction of the fandom that if you don't see Brian and Justin as the epitome of a gay romance (to many of the B/J fans Brokeback Mountain's story just didn't cut it and doesn't have the chemisty and feeling of their OTP) you're pretty much blind and not a true fan. Their zealous and batshit loony in their screams and cries. They like to believe they're the only ones in the fandom most of the time (thus the convention being by invitation only).

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	dawnydiesel 2006-03-02 09:27 am UTC (link)
	Oh, the more hardcore fans really do think they are the end all-be all. It's really kind of pathetic. Must be lonely at the top. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gogoruse 2006-03-02 09:37 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, but at least they give the rest of the fandom their daily dose of shits and giggles. It's like a crack addiction reading through the posts like this wank, I just can't seem to turn away from the utter ridiculous. I'd bring in the manips, but the manips almost seem to make me shudder worse. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dkellergrl 2006-03-02 06:28 pm UTC (link)
	The newest manip is of Gale and Randy (or is it Brian and Justin) as Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid. It's like a crack addiction reading through the posts like this wank, I just can't seem to turn away from the utter ridiculous. It's like the change of seasons. Every 6 months, something else comes within their group that's wankable. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	vyazka 2006-03-02 03:23 am UTC (link)
	That caught my eye for a worrying moment, seeing as how Lipman is my last name, and these bitches better not be talking 'bout me behind my back or I will kill them and make it look like a bloody, painful accident. But then I realized it wasn't me, and it was all good. (Reply to this)

	khym_chanur 2006-03-02 04:14 am UTC (link)
	Another fandom besides HP with fans that go batshit over pairings that didn't happen? Huh. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	wanktastic 2006-03-02 05:40 am UTC (link)
	Not exactly. The QAF pairing DID happen (in the very 1st episode, in fact) and continued on and off for all 5 seasons, but in the series finale the writers had them split up. The wank it created was awesome. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	khym_chanur 2006-03-02 05:52 am UTC (link)
	Ah. So HP fandom is still a unique snowflake? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wanktastic 2006-03-02 07:36 am UTC (link)
	Yes, in a "rides the short bus" special kind of way. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2006-03-02 04:22 am UTC (link)
	Arrogant C/L apologists are not well liked on lj. You are shunned! Shunned from ALL OF LIVEJOURNAL! snerk (Reply to this)(Thread)

	khym_chanur 2006-03-02 05:54 am UTC (link)
	Shun the non-believer! SHUUUUNNNNN!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cyndra_falin 2006-03-02 07:37 am UTC (link)
	Charlie The Unicorn!!! hearts I cant get over that flash. Its like crack. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	penguinfaery 2006-03-02 04:57 am UTC (link)
	It makes me so happy that despite being a huge QAF fan, I couldn't follow their arguments at all. Maybe because they lacked logic--maybe because I don't know who any of those people are. -Vodkie (Reply to this)

	mael 2006-03-02 06:41 am UTC (link)
	I don't even wanna read the wank. Nobody named Hephaestion should be a wanker, ever. IT HURTS US SO. goes fetal and rocks (Reply to this)(Thread)

	cyndra_falin 2006-03-02 11:34 am UTC (link)
	pats There, there. It'll be ok. gives you plenty of porn and boobies (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aegflota 2006-03-02 12:19 pm UTC (link)
	The only times I don't like being nominally-bi-but-actually-mostly-gay-with-gay-girlfriend is when other gay people open their mouths. I think I'm just bitter cause I didn't get an invite to The Gay Community. (Reply to this)

	nostalgia 2006-03-02 01:11 pm UTC (link)
	... ... I liked it when Stuart blew up that woman's car. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rosina_alcona 2006-03-02 02:27 pm UTC (link)
	ahahahahah! yes, me too. I always thought it was funny that because Nathan wore a school uniform in QaF UK, they made Justin go to a fancy schmancy private school in QaF USA. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nostalgia 2006-03-02 02:32 pm UTC (link)
	Omg there's an American version? faints (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rosina_alcona 2006-03-02 02:46 pm UTC (link)
	snort (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nostalgia 2006-03-02 02:52 pm UTC (link)
	Is it written by some guy that's remaking a dodgy old sci-fi show that got cancelled years ago? ~~I know it's not but wouldn't that be the most perfect symmetry ever? And what are Ron Moore's thoughts on yaoi?~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kenovay 2006-03-02 05:19 pm UTC (link)
	I just liked it when Stuart was onscreen. Like, ever. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	panthea 2006-03-02 05:17 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, please. QAFUS sucked after the first season because that was when they had to stop following the UK format. A little enforced creativity is a dangerous thing. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	wanktastic 2006-03-02 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	Eh, I think the best seasons were 3 and 5, so IMO that's not necessarily true. And, really, a lot of the plots that worked in the UK version didn't work in the US version, and some of the US version plots wouldn't have worked in the UK version. QAFUS had a lot of problems but not faithfully following the UK formula through the entire run of the series wasn't one of them. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	penguinfaery 2006-03-02 08:21 pm UTC (link)
	It isn't that bad if you view them as two seperate entities. In my experience, people like what they saw first because they ended up comparing them and that's not fair to either series (after the first season of the US at least). They were also designed to appeal to different types of audiences, so they're going to be different. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	alisalias 2006-03-03 10:29 am UTC (link)
	Only wank could be generated from a Q&A that's that bizarre. That Madam person sounds totally crazy. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	dkellergrl 2006-03-03 05:36 pm UTC (link)
	She is totally bizarre, but I love to take the piss out of her. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gogoruse 2006-03-03 09:09 pm UTC (link)
	You know there are sane Brian/Justin fans out there, but trying to find one who actually is active in fandom is almost impossible. The B/J faction of the fandom is very split into smaller cliques and that's pretty much loonies like Madam's fault. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dkellergrl 2006-03-03 09:18 pm UTC (link)
	LOLOLOL. She actually thinks she and her HORS are not as "crazy" as the people who left comments in Gaehdal's lj. (Reply to this)(Parent)