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Her Royal Highness the Princess Cimorene ([info]cimorene111) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2003-07-06 16:36:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*

from the hobbitslash fandom, meet some self-important speechifying...
...from an old-time contributor to the amusement of this hallowed community (i tried to say something about halls or archives, but it just didn't work out). alas, the earlier amusement occurred when [info]fandom_wank was still on livejournal. (but if anyone's curious the progress can be followed via my personal, biased 'kerfluffdates': 1, 2, 3, 4).

background: thou, or the history of us, is [info]daisy_gamgee's epic merry/pippin saga which, in her own words, covers 90 years. it has its own devoted following (and community, [info]thou_support), but it also has certain detractors (the original source of the kerfluffle up there was an anonymous, critical comment. hm... where else have we seen that lately?).

the post, which is kinda like a dear john letter except that she's posting the controversial chapters and not taking them down, pretty much covers everything. basically, she wrote some chapters with non-con and didn't put warnings on them, came under fire, took them down and replaced them with different versions of the chapters, and left them down a long time. now she's putting them back up.

she's given this a lot of thought, evidently. she favors us with a quote from 'The Courage to Write: How Writers Transcend Fear, by Ralph Keyes.' an excerpt:

Popularity is a serious brake on artistic expression of any kind. If people like you--and you expect them to like you--the risk of doing anything controversial, or saying anything revealing, is profound.


but don't think she took the chapters down because of criticism. she took them down because they 'really fucked up a during-and-post-Quest Brandy Took episode that is absolutely necessary to the 90-plus-year story I'm trying to tell.'

in fact, you might read the whole thing without realizing she'd gotten any criticism if not for this:

What I *do* regret is posting it without a "non-consensual situation" warning, and being foolish enough to believe that everyone who reads adult fanfiction can respond to such in an adult manner.

(edited to add the link! d'oh.)


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[info]kookaburra
2003-07-07 01:33 am UTC (link)
Actually, she never took them down from her LJ, for which I was grateful. They were my favorite chapters, but I trust her to make up for abandoning that story arc with what's to come. I guess I'm just a h/c whore at heart.

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[info]littlekitsch
2003-07-07 01:46 am UTC (link)
She turned it into a rapefic?!

That rather makes me glad I got bored of THoU so long ago.

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[info]cimorene111
2003-07-07 01:52 am UTC (link)
i haven't actually read any of it. so i can't say for sure.

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[info]kookaburra
2003-07-07 02:06 am UTC (link)
So, forgive me if I missed something...

You've never actually read any of it yet you're monitoring her journal to find anything HoU announcement related, and then post it here, without fail? I find that worthy of a wank in and of itself.

Or correct me if I'm totally out of the loop. I just didn't find anything in her post to be really 'wanky'- just an announcement about a change on her website that will be coming soon.

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(no subject) - [info]cimorene111, 2003-07-07 02:23 am UTC
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[info]kookaburra
2003-07-07 01:59 am UTC (link)
No, not really. There was an attempted rape, but it certainly wasn't intended to be the main point of the story. I've talked to Daisy, and she changed it because that's what it was becoming: the main point of the story. I thought it was rather brave of her, because quite a few people (including me) really liked that arc.

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[info]amandatwop
2003-07-07 02:41 am UTC (link)
I've haven't read the story, either, but I've been tortured enough with bits over AIM (paying my due, I suppose, for when I used to inflict bits from Life From the Ashes on people) to know I'd rather eat glass than attempt it.

See? I'm not exactly alone in this. I hope you're not looking for agreement here on f_w, because I think you'll be wasting your breath.

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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2003-07-07 06:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cimorene111, 2003-07-07 09:24 pm UTC

[info]amandatwop
2003-07-07 03:06 am UTC (link)
Part 2: The slam on HoU that I made in [info]braintrauma? Has jack shit to do with this. I don't follow LotR LJ fandom (you'll find me on [info]fellow_shippers and [info]monaboyd, but not much else). I'm just a person who happens to dislike the story, and I don't feel like going back and rereading the whole damn thing just so I can give you a footnoted dissertation of reasons why. Just because you've made it your personal crusade to search out every negative mention of Daisy and defend her until you're blue in the face, don't expect the rest of us to do the same.

Repeat after me: fandom is fucking funny.

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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2003-07-07 06:25 am UTC

[info]mirabellawotr
2003-07-07 04:18 am UTC (link)
Actually she changed it because she got called on gratuitous, pointless angstmongering, which took the form of a genre (rapefic) that she had in the past always been disgusted by and railed about. Her original justification for this atrociously-written piece of misery was that Merry had "demons" that absolutely had to be worked out or they would cause trouble later on in the Quest. The "demons" in question?

Merry, it seems, is a bit of a sub.

Yes, that was apparently heinous enough to have her Pippin, who is the mental and emotional age of a retarded twelve-year-old, get raped. (Which mental and emotional age are where the accusations of pedophilia come from, by the way; chronological age has nothing to do with it. Pippin could be a hundred and three and THoU's later chapters would still read like kiddy porn.)

I suspect that I am one of the ones who was "not adult enough to respond to adult fanfic in an adult fashion," which is rather amusing considering that I write the stuff. I do not, however, approve of having characters I love raped just to jack up the angst level in a fic (which apparently makes me an immature teenie, OMGWTF!!11!!!), and since those chapters I have read only the bits and pieces that horrified friends inflict on me over AIM. None of this matters much, however, as the point is that Daisy has become (she wasn't always) a neverending supply of eye-bleeding badfic and incredibly pretentious wank, and long may she continue to provide it.

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(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2003-07-07 07:36 am UTC
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Re: - [info]singe, 2003-07-07 08:15 am UTC
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Re: - [info]singe, 2003-07-07 08:12 am UTC
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Re: - [info]cimorene111, 2003-07-07 07:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2003-07-07 07:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]resmiranda, 2003-07-07 08:31 pm UTC
WTF?! - [info]kookaburra, 2003-07-07 08:59 pm UTC
Re: WTF?! - [info]singe, 2003-07-07 09:07 pm UTC
Re: WTF?! - [info]resmiranda, 2003-07-08 02:32 am UTC
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Re: - [info]cimorene111, 2003-07-07 10:29 pm UTC
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Re: - [info]cimorene111, 2003-07-07 10:36 pm UTC
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Re: - [info]cimorene111, 2003-07-08 07:58 pm UTC

[info]hugsnkisses
2003-07-07 07:43 am UTC (link)
kerfluffdates is the best word eva.

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[info]cimorene111
2003-07-07 08:47 am UTC (link)
::blush::, ::curtsey::

nice minion. have a cookie. <3

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ninglor
2003-07-07 03:36 pm UTC (link)
And some champagne.

*snaps fingers, calls for Pembroke*

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Re: - [info]cimorene111, 2003-07-07 07:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - ninglor, 2003-07-07 07:42 pm UTC
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[info]travelmug
2003-07-07 10:35 pm UTC (link)
I want to eat your icon so bad!

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[info]henryjones
2003-07-07 07:49 am UTC (link)
That story's supposed to cover 90 years? Fucking hell, I'm sick of it already!

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[info]cimorene111
2003-07-07 08:46 am UTC (link)
seems the obvious reaction, doesn't it?

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[info]nevadafighter
2003-07-07 09:08 am UTC (link)
I remember her, if only because she keeps saying things like Merry and Pippin should be hers, because she likes to put disclaimers up like these:

I don't own these characters. They belong to Tolkien Enterprises, who don't do justice to them, not by a long shot.

I don't own these characters. They belong to Tolkien Enterprises, who do not appreciate them, dammit, and should just give them to me.

I don't own these hobbits, etc etc. It feels like I do, but I really don't. Dammit.

I don't own these characters. They belong to Tolkien Enterprises. Dammit.


Wow. Arrogant much? That alone pretty much turned me off--although I did try reading some of her "fics." Definitely not my thing.

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[info]laymedown
2003-07-07 09:57 am UTC (link)
I don't own these characters. They belong to Tolkien Enterprises, who don't do justice to them, not by a long shot.

Uhhh wow, because Tolkien didn't CREATE THE CHARACTERS or anything. How can you not do justice to your own creation? I don't get it.

This reminds me of the HP wank going around, how people are claiming that Rowling's characterizations just can't match the depth of varied fanon characterizations. She's the damn author, people - don't even try to say that you write her characters better.

Arrogant, the lot of them.

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[info]nevadafighter
2003-07-07 10:01 am UTC (link)
Or the one girl who says that as far as she's concerned, anything JKR writers after GoF isn't CANON! And some of her idiot friends are telling her to rewrite OoTP because she can SO make it better. :P

I don't know where these idiots get off, honestly, but it shore is entertainin'.

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(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2003-07-07 10:49 am UTC
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[info]cimorene111
2003-07-07 07:19 pm UTC (link)
that's not quite the same as saying rowling doesn't do the characters justice; they're only claiming that their versions of the characters are *better*, not that they're, like... closer to the heart of the character, or something, which is what 'do them justice' implies to me, anyway.

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(no subject) - [info]henryjones, 2003-07-07 08:28 pm UTC
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[info]cimorene111
2003-07-07 07:17 pm UTC (link)
We don't own these wankers. They belong to themselves, except in the cases where they are minions or sockpuppets, but they don't appreciate the beauty of their own self-involvement ...

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[info]slippery_fish
2003-07-07 08:49 pm UTC (link)
Uhm, actually a lot of fanfic authors write such disclaimers. And they don't mean it seriously, it's just joking around...

And these disclaimers sound pretty much like that,too.

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Re: - [info]nevadafighter, 2003-07-07 09:45 pm UTC
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[info]ingrid
2003-07-07 06:15 pm UTC (link)
On her user's page I noticed Miss Daisy has a Paypal "busker's hat/tip jar" collection fund and an Amazon Wish List advertised.

*scratching head* WTF?

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[info]cimorene111
2003-07-07 07:25 pm UTC (link)
i noticed that too. ::ahem::

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[info]jadelynne
2003-07-08 01:19 am UTC (link)
*rolls eyes*

tip jar for badly written fanfic! it boggles the mind, truly.

it's just wrong on so many levels. it's like a blatant hinthint *shove* that people owe her something. bah.

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[info]uniquesnowflake
2003-07-09 09:07 am UTC (link)
Oh, eeeew.

Ew!

She's from my home city!

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[info]cimorene111
2003-07-10 06:44 pm UTC (link)
ahahah. ::patpat::

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