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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-03-12 12:22:00


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Entry tags:conspiracy theories, fandom: harry potter, harmonians

The Energizer Bunny of Internet Law
A few weeks ago, someone tried to post personal information on a Fandom Wank entry. The post was reported to the mods, who then deleted it, and banned the offender.

Apparently, Vanceone, internet lawyer extraordinaire, has been brooding on it ever since. On coming upon a thread where R/Hr and H/G shippers are complaining about Harmonian arguments that JKR really is shipping H/Hr, he launches into a rant about how Harmonians are now being stalked and no one cares.

Of course, since name calling is in vogue here, I guess no one will be offended if I say you have an unbelievable double standard, since I have yet to see any condemnation of THOSE theories. Oh, or any outrage at the very recent (within the past week) attempt by a well known OBHWF shipper to start a harassment campaign against a Harmonian webmaster by posting his personal contact info and encouraging harassing phone calls and letters. I can just imagine what would have happened had I posted, say, Angua's home address and phone number and encouraged people to harass her....

I'll be charitable and hope that you didn't know about that, and don't condone it. It's pretty sad that now prominent Harmonians are having to take steps to protect themselves in RL.


That's only the beginning. Accusations of a cover-up follow.

ETA: Waltraute points out that he's also wanking here, insisting the FW mods did nothing, even though they banned the offender.

ETA2: Vanceone shows up here to tell us more of his side of the story.</a>

ETA3: Vance apologizes for overreacting. Kudos to him. That takes real guts.



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vanceone
2006-03-12 10:34 pm UTC (link)
*Sigh* I see, Narcissa, you are at it again, trying to paint Harmonians, and specifically me, in a bad light, as usual.

But, let me try to explain. I'm sure it's futile, and I'll be no doubt mocked, but I'll try anyway.

The person who posted the personal information here at FW is a prominent OBHWF shipper. This wasn't some lunatic no one had heard of, this was one of the biggest debators for the R/Hr and H/G ship. That poster tried to start a harassment campaign in RL against one of the biggest H/Hr websites around. We notified the webmaster to change his RL info, if possible. Kudos to Fandom wank for dealing with the matter quickly and appropriately.

The thing is, knowing NarcissaM as well as I do, if any Harmony shipper had tried that, it would have been plastered here and mocked. No question. But there's been a vast silence from the prominent OBHWF shippers about one of their own, fellow PROMINENT shippers trying to start a harassment campaign. I decided to ask at this person's live journal what they thought.

And then, yet another very prominent H/G shipper has basically said that it's no big deal, Fandom Wank dealt with it and isn't that enough? Well, considering the response if any H/Hr shipper had done the same thing, and the demands for repudiation, apologies, etc. I fail to see why a R/Hr shipper can do this and get away with it. I've yet to see more than one or two OBHWF shippers say it was wrong, or demand an apology. Instead, they seem to say that it's only a shame they were caught.

My question, then, that I wanted to ask them is simple: Will they denounce personal attacks and harassment? Was it right to post a Harmonians personal RL info for the purpose of harassing said Harmonian? So far, I've been unpleasantly surprised--they don't seem to think so, and are instead sweeping it under the rug as best as they can.

So, Narcissa, instead of mocking me, why not ask OBHWF shippers why they haven't smacked down their person who did it? Isn't that FAR more wanky? Lots of them seem to be defending it. I will give credit to Charmedcheese, who DID say it was wrong.

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[info]waltraute
2006-03-12 10:36 pm UTC (link)
I don't ship anything, I'm just here for the mockery.

Posting the info? Not remotely cool. Deleting it and banning the person? Totally appropriate. Demanding apologies from other people who had nothing to do with it? Lame.

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[info]gun
2006-03-12 10:37 pm UTC (link)
There wasn't vast silence. She reacted ASAP to notify the mods, who banned the user. I don't vouch to speak for her personally, but it would get frustrating if you had all lines of libel being posted about you that weren't precisely true.

(Not that I don't agree with the banning: I might occasionally joke about Caina thinking to sue people for using the name she gives online, but posting her personal info? Tres low.)

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The Debating Squad? - [info]emiweebee, 2006-03-13 03:51 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-03-12 10:37 pm UTC (link)
Agrees with you.

-mellowpeep@livejournal.com

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[info]willywanka
2006-03-12 10:39 pm UTC (link)
I fail to see why a R/Hr shipper can do this and get away with it.

They're not as wanky as the average Harmoanian. You guys get our attention, you're louder.

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(no subject) - [info]narcissam, 2006-03-12 10:44 pm UTC
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[info]narcissam
2006-03-12 10:41 pm UTC (link)
Kudos to Fandom wank for dealing with the matter quickly and appropriately.

That's a change of tune from over here where you accuse the FW mods of doing nothing.

And I don't see anyone defending it. If you can provide any links of that, I'll add them to the original post.

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(no subject) - [info]jrs1980, 2006-03-13 04:06 am UTC

[info]saralina25
2006-03-12 10:45 pm UTC (link)
Why the hell should F_W as a whole, with 3000+ members, appologize for something that one person did? She got smacked down, banned, and the issue was put up as an example of what not to do, ever.

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[info]cornedbee
2006-03-12 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Not that there is good chance about you being right about the reactions, but it's still an assumption, yet you keep using it like a fact, and as a justification for your outrage. Somehow, this doesn't square with my image of a lawyer.

And another thing is the one-sidedness of it. You say that we don't raise a stink if one of ours posts personal info, and that we would if one of yours did. Which, I might add, is not a sign that we approve of posting personal info of H/Hrers, but at best that we don't care enough to be outraged.
But have you considered that the exact same thing holds true for your side? Despite what people say jokingly, H/Hrers and R/Hrers are still both humans, and I refuse to believe that H/Hrers would cry outrage if you posted the personal info of Angua. They'd think to themselves, "Duh, what an idiot," and move on to the next thread of whatever forum they're reading. At best they'd act like narcissam and report the post to the mods. Do you disagree?
Yet we have seen that H/Hrers like you will flare up if a R/Hrer posts info of one of their own. So where's the difference?

The problem with your post is thus that it attempts to blame R/Hrers for being human.

And that is actually something I think H/Hrers are more likely to do that R/Hrers, as it's something they tend to do in their essays about Ron and Ginny.

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[info]figgy
2006-03-12 10:57 pm UTC (link)
... I'll be on the veranda since you're already on the cross.

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[info]vigilanterodent
2006-03-12 11:09 pm UTC (link)
You've completely missed the point of "wank", haven't you, honey?

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[info]ella_w
2006-03-12 11:11 pm UTC (link)
Who the fuck is Hinoema? I mean, really. I'd never heard of hir before, much less in a shipping sense. Am I supposed to feel incredibly penitent and guilty because someone I'd never heard of did something stupid and got banned?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-03-12 11:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2006-03-13 10:47 am UTC

[info]squeakytoy
2006-03-12 11:19 pm UTC (link)
Eh. If you read down, there are a lot of people saying it was wrong.

Some of them are even *gasp* OBHWF shippers. Maybe not the people from whom you wanted abject apologetics and grovelling servitude as a result of wrongness of the banned personal info post, but still OBHWF shippers.

So there has been smackdown of the post by OBHWF as well as F_W (who are not necessarily OBHWF) and people with totally unlikely ships like Harry/Squid. Just because it's not the people you wanted to do the smackdown doesn't mean you can claim that "OBHWF shippers...haven't smacked down the person who did it".

Pls to remove the crown of thorns. And you look like a bloody twerp in the hair-shirt of "WOE! H/Hr is oppreshunned!"

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(no subject) - vanceone, 2006-03-13 12:34 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2006-03-13 01:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]squeakytoy, 2006-03-13 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dez_chan, 2006-03-13 04:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2006-03-13 06:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]arabel, 2006-03-13 07:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2006-03-13 06:29 am UTC
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[info]theamazingrando
2006-03-12 11:28 pm UTC (link)
That's a lot of commas.

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-12 11:31 pm UTC (link)
I think you should take your case all the way to the Fandom Supreme Court. Cross-examine NarcissaM and the mods and uncover the rampant corruption in the f_w infrastructure. Then they'll make a movie about you, maybe "A Few Good Wankers," and maybe you'll be played by Tom Cruise.

("You want the wank? You can't handle the wank!")

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2006-03-13 11:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dr_tristessa, 2006-03-14 03:58 am UTC

[info]rotten_fish
2006-03-12 11:32 pm UTC (link)
Yes, but what are your thoughts on yaoi?

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-13 12:16 am UTC (link)
It's funny that this is an issue when Caina herself on the H/Hr shippers tried to get people to send spam to a person that Caina didn't like on her website. It was posted for a few days before it was taken down.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2006-03-13 12:27 am UTC (link)
This message translated from Int0rnetz L4wy0r Professional Victimese to Basic for your ease of comprehension:

whine whine whiney wehiney whine whiney whine whiney whine whiney whiney whiney whine baseless accusation whiney whine straw-man straw-man whiney whiney whine whine whine persecution complex whiiiiiiiiiiine whiney whiiiine whiney whine whine whiney whiney whiney whine whine fandom_wank sacrifices babies to Satan whiney whine whine whine whine whiney whine whinge snivel sniff piss moan bitch whiney whiney whine snipe flame huff stomp whiiiiine whiney whiiiiiine whiney whine i'm a victim whiney whiney whiiiiine piss piss gripe bitch whine whine whiney whiney whiney wehine incorrect use of legal terminology whiney whiney whine whine I got my BA and LLB from a Froot Loops box whiney whiiiiiiiiiiine Narcissa's mean because she justifiably makes fun of my histrionic little tantrums and doesn't ship the same ship as I do, whiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

Translation concludes. Have a pleasant evening.

There is no conspiracy, you obnoxious tinhatted little one-testicled twip. Go away, you're bringing down JF's collective IQ by breathing the same air as us.

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[info]ashenmote
2006-03-13 12:44 am UTC (link)
"I see, Narcissa, you are at it again, trying to paint Harmonians, and specifically me, in a bad light, as usual."

I know. I keep telling her that impressionism is long out of style, but she's old-fashioned like that.

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(no subject) - [info]lurker32, 2006-03-13 01:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2006-03-13 12:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - coreopsis, 2006-03-13 03:53 pm UTC

[info]agent_hyatt
2006-03-13 01:11 am UTC (link)
tl;dr. You might want to get that checked out, as it seems to be contagious. Possibly bad enough to warrant a quarantine.

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-13 03:03 am UTC (link)
I know Hinoema, and I don't undestand why she'd do something like that, but I certianly agree it wasn't right.

BTW, she's not an extreme supporter of H/G and R/Hr so much as a strong opponent of illogic. Illogic has unfortunately been present in very may Harmonian arguments, both past and present.

WarriorEowyn

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[info]esclaramonde
2006-03-13 03:05 am UTC (link)
But, see, you don't know. You can't go on saying how "oh, this would happen and that wouldn't" when you don't actually know. Well, you can, but it's ... not right.

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[info]esclaramonde
2006-03-13 03:07 am UTC (link)
Also: prominent? Hinoema is not really prominent. Just because you know a name does not make it prominent. I know JBaker and brown, but that doesn't mean they're prominent.

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[info]mochibuni
2006-03-13 03:23 am UTC (link)
SQUIBBED.

Now get out of the fandom!

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(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-03-13 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2006-03-13 04:52 am UTC
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[info]memii
2006-03-13 03:42 am UTC (link)
Take it to [info]fandom_court, wanker.

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[info]emiweebee
2006-03-13 03:42 am UTC (link)
Because most of fandom takes its cue from FW. Really.

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(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2006-03-13 08:56 am UTC
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