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wiltingflower ([info]wiltingflower) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-03-18 05:08:00


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Loligate 2006 (Gothic Lolita is a fandom, right?)
Over on [info]egl, [info]chibiechibbiusa/[info]mabet was a well-known, active lolita in the community. I say was, because on the 15th, she filed credit card chargebacks against 16 LJ and Ebay sellers through PayPal after leaving positive feedback and confirming she received their items.

Here's her side of the story, as understood by [info]pantheria:

What has actually happened in the Chargeback Case is mabet/chibiechibbiusa/Hilleliza or someone has filled a Chargeback through her Credit Card provider who then basically reversed all transactions on that card between a certain time period for fraudulent used of said Credit Card, PayPal had nothing to do with the Chargeback itself, this was automatically reversed without their concent or ours (Those Affected) via the actual Credit Card Company!

But combined with her post about spending $8,000 on clothes in January alone, going to therapy for her obsession with brand name clothing, and being an unemployed college student, this could be her realizing she's in deep shit financially and trying to scam sellers out of their items and money to save her own ass. She's posted about not paying her rent on time and being threatened with arrest if she continues. And, in a locked post on [info]egl, she comments that Celga (a service that bids on Yahoo!Japan auctions for foreigners) stopped accepting her orders because they were worried about her finances.

So, her explanation of events has been taken with a large grain of salt by those involved with all of this. Plus, she wasn't entirely well liked in the community to begin with.

Extra links:
Pantheria's post, which is the most comprehensive and includes Pantheria's IM conversations with Mabet.
Mabet defends herself in an email to Miyu_Sakura. Miyu_Sakura is not having it.
The bannination post on [info]egl
Chiru-sakura's original comment and post about trade dealings with Mabet, which include accusations of mail fraud and a criminally ugly dress. Shiny lolita? No.



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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-03-18 02:52 pm UTC (link)
$8000 on GL clothes in a month? Holy fucking shitchrist on a stick...

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-03-18 06:02 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]antigone, 2006-03-20 11:49 pm UTC

[info]arabel
2006-03-18 03:53 pm UTC (link)
I just can't get past thinking "disturbingly underage girls" whenever I see 'loli' without the 'goth' on the front.

I mean, I'm fully aware of the difference, it's just it's not my first association...


But anyway, what a total shitstorm. D:

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(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2006-03-18 06:53 pm UTC

[info]dawnydiesel
2006-03-18 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Color me confused...

What the fuck is a gothic lolita? How can one be an active, well-known lolita?

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(no subject) - [info]impendingdoom, 2006-03-18 06:09 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]miharu, 2006-03-19 12:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladylance, 2006-03-19 06:37 am UTC

[info]reeve
2006-03-18 05:02 pm UTC (link)
she filed credit card chargebacks against 16 LJ and Ebay sellers through PayPal after leaving positive feedback and confirming she received their items.

Good lord, what kind of asshole does that?!

I'm well aware that some eBay buyers are batshit, but this one really takes the cake.

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-03-18 07:17 pm UTC

[info]simkin_mouse
2006-03-18 05:05 pm UTC (link)
...every time the term "Gothic Lolita" pops up, baby Nabokov cries. All while the world's smallest violin [single] tears its heart out.

Please think of baby psycho! writers.

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(no subject) - [info]photosinensis, 2007-01-30 06:16 pm UTC

[info]jat_sapphire
2006-03-18 05:23 pm UTC (link)
I infer a telephone call in which spendaholic-college-student-with-military-parent says, "But DAAAAAAD! I didn't buy that stuff! Somebody musta used my card...in fact I lost it! Yeah, lost it! Um, sorry for not telling you before."

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(no subject) - [info]stinksap, 2006-03-18 08:47 pm UTC
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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-09-13 08:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2006-03-19 12:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sirbartonslady, 2006-03-24 08:59 am UTC

[info]moonfruituk
2006-03-18 05:26 pm UTC (link)
That's all kinds of batshit. Still, good to see her being called out on it.

Also, the way she writes her posts in her journal (all the underlining/bolding/italics etc etc) really makes my head hurt, and gives me no desire at all to read them. Anyone else?

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(no subject) - [info]doroc_sabah, 2006-03-18 07:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-03-19 12:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonfruituk, 2006-03-19 11:06 am UTC

[info]pyrrah
2006-03-18 05:44 pm UTC (link)
I automatically discredit anyone who punctuate their sentences with 'hehehe' >(

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(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2006-03-18 06:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-03-19 03:33 am UTC

[info]dontdrinkthetea
2006-03-18 06:26 pm UTC (link)
I wondered if this would ever show up anywhere over here. It was somewhat amusing from the outside, due to the sheer amount of cattiness at every turn, but I'd probably have bitchslapped her if I was involved.

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(no subject) - [info]moonpigeon, 2006-03-18 06:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dontdrinkthetea, 2006-03-18 06:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vuirneen, 2006-03-18 09:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dontdrinkthetea, 2006-03-18 09:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vuirneen, 2006-03-19 04:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2006-03-19 04:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dontdrinkthetea, 2006-03-19 05:18 am UTC

[info]rekall
2006-03-18 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Umm...if anyone just heard screaming a minute ago in Ontario that was me because I can't believe the crap this chick has pulled.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-03-18 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2006-03-19 12:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-03-19 04:23 am UTC

[info]hallidae
2006-03-18 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Holy shit. I wish I had eight friggin' thousand bucks to just drop on ebay. Wouldn't be for gothloli clothes, that's for damn sure, but still...

And, yeah. The chargeback thing? Total asshattery. I'd be up for giving her a couple of swings with something heavy if I'd been one of the sixteen sellers.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-03-19 04:18 am UTC
I do chargebacks for a financial institution
[info]mortifyd
2006-03-18 07:39 pm UTC (link)
Here's the thing: if she charged them back as fraud, they will end up represented, given that she acknowledged the items and such - as long as the LJers and eBay merchants give that information to their financial institutions. It's not an automatic OMG she said FRAUD and it's done with situation.

The merchant does have the money reversed, but they also have 120 days to use the system to get it back. They can file with their financial institutions as well - often getting temporary credit to cover the period of time it takes to represent (financialese for OHHELLNOYOUDIN'T) from the psycho girls account. She could end up causing her institution to take a loss and they'll close her accounts.

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Re: I do chargebacks for a financial institution - [info]misswindy, 2006-03-18 08:02 pm UTC
Re: I do chargebacks for a financial institution - [info]mortifyd, 2006-03-19 04:54 am UTC

[info]stinkwrinkle
2006-03-18 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Somebody get this girl some serious emoticon aversion therapy:

http://community.livejournal.com/egl/4607929.html?page=2#comments

She's so busy using fucking dumbass emoticons I have no fucking idea what she's talking about.

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[info]hickorydickory
2006-03-18 08:05 pm UTC (link)
I consider myself pretty clothes-obsessed, but eight thousand bucks? If anything, this is a good lesson on how not to spend my money in the future.

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sharonapple
2006-03-18 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Mmmm, I was waiting for this one to get posted.

Oh egl, you wanky, wanky comm.

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[info]sneakykitty
2006-03-18 08:49 pm UTC (link)
Damn, that sucks. While I always enjoy seeing snotty hi-I-can't-handle-my-own-finances-and-it's-everyone-else's-fault brats get pwned, I get the feeling that the sellers getting their money back is either very unlikely, or going to be very, very difficult. =/ But I'm rooting for them.

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[info]aruru
2006-03-18 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Furthermore, my explanation makes perfect sense. My card was stolen

Yeah, and then the thief used the card to buy the exact same types of stuff you regularly purchase. *snort* Really, what are the odds?

And holy crapping hell, $8,000? Man, not even when I was a hardcore doujinshi addict did I spend that much in a month!

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(no subject) - [info]wiltingflower, 2006-03-19 12:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2006-03-19 06:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wiltingflower, 2006-03-19 06:52 am UTC

[info]smut_queen
2006-03-18 09:12 pm UTC (link)
GAH, why did I click on her journal? My eyes, omfg.

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(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2006-03-18 09:34 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]aruru, 2006-03-18 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2006-03-19 12:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2006-03-19 04:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2006-03-19 05:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninja_stripper, 2006-03-19 06:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2006-03-19 09:00 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2006-03-19 04:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninja_stripper, 2006-03-20 01:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankismyfandom, 2006-03-20 03:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-03-19 05:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]linadarkstar, 2006-03-19 07:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibicurmudgeon, 2006-03-19 09:44 pm UTC

[info]braisinhussy
2006-03-18 09:27 pm UTC (link)
Ooh, I read about this earlier this week.

The egl community certainly can work itself up into a lather... my favorites are the debates about whether wearing a gothic lolita outfit to an anime convention is really being true to the "loli lifestyle" (which, ew).

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(no subject) - [info]dontdrinkthetea, 2006-03-18 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-03-19 04:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dontdrinkthetea, 2006-03-19 04:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2006-03-19 05:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-03-19 05:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dontdrinkthetea, 2006-03-19 06:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-03-19 09:46 am UTC

[info]aegflota
2006-03-18 09:43 pm UTC (link)
This disgusting bitch reminds me of my ex-flatmate. Down to the "BUT I WAS BULLIED UR BEENG S0 M34N!1" whiny ass posts she made after not paying ANY bills EVER & not paying rent for EIGHT MONTHS.

The look on her face when the police took our side made ALL THAT LOST £ WORTHWHILE, though.

But in conclusion: drop ded, chibiwhatevertheshityournameis.

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(no subject) - [info]gingerkiss, 2006-03-19 06:24 am UTC
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[info]ladysorka
2006-03-18 10:29 pm UTC (link)
I just keep reading "lolita" and thinking not4chan.

...which would make an "active lolita" an, um. Interesting person.

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(no subject) - [info]wiltingflower, 2006-03-19 12:21 am UTC
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[info]waterfront
2006-03-18 11:32 pm UTC (link)
I try to get past the $8,000 part, but it keeps flashing before my eyes. I mean. EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS. I wish I had that money, 'cause then I could use it to help pay for college.

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(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2006-03-19 12:24 am UTC
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[info]rekall
2006-03-19 12:18 am UTC (link)
I love how everything is not her fault. It's like: "whine, whine, I couldn't afford to pay $500 a month on rent and got sued for the money I owed but, whine, whine, it's not my fault!" and "whine, whine, it's not my fault I had to file chargebacks because my credit card was stolen and my account was hacked into, whine, whine, it's not my fault!"

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(no subject) - [info]rachel_pi, 2006-03-19 02:31 am UTC

[info]greenling
2006-03-19 12:26 am UTC (link)
Icon. ♥

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[info]khym_chanur
2006-03-19 12:34 am UTC (link)
"chibiechibbiusa"? chibiechibbiusa -> echi chibiusa -> pervy pink-haired little girl? *shudder*

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(no subject) - [info]herongale, 2006-03-19 02:18 am UTC


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