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Crying out justice, but seeking out triumphs (iwanttobeasleep) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-03-27 22:33:00


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Entry tags:person: laura hale, slash

From two mousies on wank_report.

[info]indefatigable42 posts an "Etymology of Slash" essay on fanficrants, explaining that slash has nothing to do with canon or non-canon relationships, because it's all about teh ghey.

It's all cool for a while. A few people express annoyance about the idea of it meaning only non-canon relationships, and [info]partly_bouncy argues a few of the more meaningless points, but it's all cool until. . .

[info]partly_bouncy turns around and posts in her journal that slash is ZOMG NOT GAY!!!!1!:

Edit to put this at the top: My definition of gay is not male boinks male so male is gay. My definition of gay involves a person's own defined identity, sexual preference, embracing of a label and belonging to a certain community. Who you're boinking is not a part of that definition. Please realize that as you read the thing below. If you define gay as boinking, you're obviously going to find this whole thing flawed. And as a fan historian, I have not seen evidence that most of the community defined boinking as defining a person as gay.

Early slash was not homosexual. It was not gay. The etymology of the term in no way implies a gay or homosexual connection. I wish people would not imply that. Please stop. Fan fiction history and terminology has enough problems with the well-meaning fan disseminating misinformation.

Slash and GLBT culture did not meet really for the first time until the Xena fandom. They finally met because Xena had a lot of lesbian fans writing lesbian stories, complete with discussions regarding things like butch/femme dynamics.

If slash had been about gayness, it likely would have not taken off. It would have been seen as really damaging, really challenging and offensive because of the urge to push an agenda.



[info]cathexys: Because just because there was no gay agenda, just because there was homophobia in fandom, just because the orimary impulse of putting these guys together may have had everything to do with strong identifiable characters and little with GLBT politics...does not mean that it isn't gay!

[info]strangerian: Except, of course, that *all* slash describes homosexual relationships or acts or desires. Male/male and female/female sexual pairings are the definition of "homosexual." The characters may be bisexual overall, or may not identify as gay or even homosexual (or their authors may not want to identify them so). This doesn't change what happens in the stories.

And more people than I care to quote take offense at the fact that her definition of homosexual is overly political.

It also gets a mention in [info]metafandom.

First post, please tell me if I did anything wrong so I can correct.




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[info]greenglass
2006-03-28 07:12 am UTC (link)
...So.... what are her thoughts on yaoi?

/overused joke.

Slash has been on the internet since the Net was born. I think every point has been debated. Slash has become the new abortion debate.

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(no subject) - [info]psychesky, 2006-03-28 09:35 am UTC
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[info]scorpio20
2006-03-28 07:14 am UTC (link)
*scratches head* I thought the first slash story written was a Kirk/Spock from ST:TOS?

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[info]batshitinsane
2006-03-28 07:29 am UTC (link)
Early slash was not homosexual. It was not gay.

Soooo, early slash was about het?

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-03-28 07:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-03-29 04:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]freezer, 2006-03-28 07:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 07:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2006-03-28 08:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2006-03-28 08:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2006-03-28 08:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]suzycat, 2006-03-28 12:39 pm UTC
This thing just gets better everytime you read it - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 07:58 am UTC
Re: This thing just gets better everytime you read it - [info]amxjm, 2006-03-28 08:35 am UTC
Re: This thing just gets better everytime you read it - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 08:39 am UTC
Re: This thing just gets better everytime you read it - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-03-28 12:18 pm UTC
Re: This thing just gets better everytime you read it - [info]mcity, 2006-03-29 04:24 am UTC
Re: This thing just gets better everytime you read it - [info]shakeandbake, 2006-03-29 05:01 am UTC
Re: This thing just gets better everytime you read it - [info]musette, 2006-03-28 03:02 pm UTC
Re: This thing just gets better everytime you read it - [info]greenling, 2006-03-28 05:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sticky_pbj, 2006-03-28 08:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 08:33 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2006-03-29 05:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragomorph, 2006-03-28 09:58 am UTC
All in good fun, no? - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 10:20 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-28 10:36 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 10:48 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]caffeine_fairy, 2006-03-28 10:54 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 10:55 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]caffeine_fairy, 2006-03-28 10:58 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 11:00 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]suzycat, 2006-03-28 12:42 pm UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]delarina, 2006-03-29 07:39 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]pfeffermuse, 2006-03-29 05:23 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-03-28 11:55 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-03-28 12:21 pm UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]stopthatgirl7, 2006-03-28 01:41 pm UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]the_crawford, 2006-03-28 02:11 pm UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]chikane, 2006-03-28 06:20 pm UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]lucky13, 2006-03-29 12:13 am UTC
Re: All in good fun, no? - [info]batshitinsane, 2006-03-28 01:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenling, 2006-03-28 05:39 pm UTC
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[info]xero_sky
2006-03-28 07:34 am UTC (link)
Early slash was not homosexual. It was not gay. The etymology of the term in no way implies a gay or homosexual connection. I wish people would not imply that. Please stop. Fan fiction history and terminology has enough problems with the well-meaning fan disseminating misinformation.

A) Who cares what it might have been back in the day? Evolution, baby: embrace the now.

B) I just want to read and write about hot, romantic mansex. Is that okay, or will I be interrogating the matching genitalia from the wrong perspective?

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-03-28 01:58 pm UTC
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[info]chibikaijuu
2006-03-28 07:45 am UTC (link)
Oh hay! Wank I was tangentally involved with!

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[info]dru
2006-03-28 07:56 am UTC (link)
So...as long as we don't call slash "gay" then its okay to read it?

(I'm seriously a bit lost on the point of the whole thing, but whatever).

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(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2006-03-28 10:39 am UTC
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[info]life_on_mars
2006-03-28 08:12 am UTC (link)
If slash had been about gayness, it likely would have not taken off. It would have been seen as really damaging, really challenging and offensive because of the urge to push an agenda.

But it was!!!

It's true nobody accused us of having a 'gay agenda' - because the phrase didn't exist then. It was all much more straightforward, accusations of being 'dirty' and 'perverted' and the portmanteau assumption that anyone who writes about gayness must be not only gay themselves but also the predatory and proselytising type. (Having, in other words, what is now called a 'gay agenda'.)

Where was this person when we were all being subversive and getting denounced? Oh, that's right, she probably wasn't even born. I love the way she is nevertheless prepared to argue down those of us who were and know what happened. What's next, Holocaust denial?

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IIRC... - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-03-28 09:59 pm UTC
Re: IIRC... - [info]lexin, 2006-03-28 10:19 pm UTC
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I've always wondered... - [info]aegflota, 2006-03-28 11:10 pm UTC
Re: I've always wondered... - [info]romana03, 2006-03-29 01:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-28 08:29 pm UTC
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[info]drworm
2006-03-28 08:14 am UTC (link)
I seem to recall reading some odd, old little Star Trek essay in which Kirk/Spock seemed to represent, um, mostly a friendship story in the author's view. I think this was that whole coded language thing, because yeah.

[info]partly_bouncy is really rather annoying. Hahaha. (Deleted and reposted because I fucked up the wanker's name, what the hell, it is late here.)

Seriously, slash is about homoeroticism. You can parse it down to politically charged social identities and fuck around with it and whatever, but I still don't...

You know what, fuck this, it completely bores me. How did they manage to write as much as they did on this subject? Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

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[info]pokecheck
2006-03-28 08:25 am UTC (link)
Every time Kirk/Spock comes up, I giggle at any mention of "Spork" and "Kock" as mushed together pairing names. That never gets old for me. *is 12*

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[info]nlb_muffin
2006-03-28 08:41 am UTC (link)
as a fan historian

Oh, I'm ever so sorry, Madame Historian! Do go on about etymology so you can prove words don't develop.

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God help me, I'm about to wank...
[info]v_digitalwytch
2006-03-28 09:06 am UTC (link)
References: I've consulted a bunch of longtime fans on my flist to confirm what I remember from reading Trek fanwritings I found in secondhand bookstores. Not that I'm a new fan myself... the fandom is forty years old this fall, and I've been part of it for twenty of them oh holy crap I'm old. o_O

Bitch...PLEASE!

I'll see your 20 years by raising it to 30. I was reading my Mom's K/S fanzines when I was 6 and was watching TOS during it's first go of reruns.

I am proud of my oldfartness when it comes to old school Trek.

Who cares about whether slash is/was about same sex relationships or same sex hotsex. Both are equally valid and when done well, quite tasty in my opinon. And that's coming from someone who's probably nitpicky as all hell when it comes to the subgenre.

Just accept it for what it is and read it if you want, or ignore it if you don't. And reguardless of your pref, make sure you put it in the right damn category.

It drives me up the wall with the high handed analysis that has to keep coming out after it's long been debated back and forth to the point, well, that nothing new really gets said.

And now, I'm heading off to get some towels to wipe things down.

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[info]chikane
2006-03-28 10:08 am UTC (link)
My icon is an epitome of heterosexuality. Because I declare it so!

Also, I will soon marry my girlfriend and stuff. In a church. Because, you know, WE ARE HETEROSEXUAL. Totally. 100%. Absolutely.
And the church has to accept it, because gayness is only about what you identify like! Yes!


Seriously, the whole "zomg that is not gay" is homophobic idiocy. Of course it is homosexual(bisexual in some cases I guess ^^) love if it is between two people of the same gender. Also, there is no "gay agenda" in a first place. That's a scarecrow by rightwing idiots who read too many conspiracy theories and think gays are somehow out to rule the world. The only "agenda" gay people have is to...dun dun dun...have equal rights, and, you know, not being stoned to death. It's really not that much, I think.

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[info]charmian
2006-03-28 10:46 am UTC (link)
Damn, the indefatigable42 may be wrong or whatever about slash (don't really care) but partly_bouncy's style, it BURNS. And I thought meta was the part of fandom where it didn't matter how good of a writer you were.

I dunno, possibly it's because s/he may not be a native English language speaker, but I couldn't make it through the first few paragraphs.

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[info]rachelmap
2006-03-28 12:04 pm UTC (link)
A-hah. Wank I saw on my f-list and refused to touch because... (points at icon)

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(no subject) - [info]pariforma, 2006-03-28 05:44 pm UTC

[info]romana03
2006-03-28 02:41 pm UTC (link)
My definition of gay involves a person's own defined identity, sexual preference, embracing of a label and belonging to a certain community.

So... unless I like clubbing, I'm asexual?

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[info]musette
2006-03-28 03:20 pm UTC (link)
For a minute there I was worried that indefatigable42 was a Hornblower slasher and I was about to have to left forth with the clue by four of OUT OF MY FANDOM, but blissfully, it appears to not be the case.

Thank Goddess for small favors.

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(no subject) - [info]livviebway, 2006-03-29 02:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]musette, 2006-03-29 04:06 am UTC
"I'm not gay. I just like to suck Spock's dick."
[info]phosfate
2006-03-28 04:44 pm UTC (link)
Early slash was not homosexual. It was not gay. The etymology of the term in no way implies a gay or homosexual connection. I wish people would not imply that. Please stop. Fan fiction history and terminology has enough problems with the well-meaning fan disseminating misinformation.

You first, sister.

Many early slashers were in serious denial about whether devoting novel-length masterworks to male-male sex could in any way be seen as gay. Now, this is understandable if you see it as part of a process. Fanfic writers were often isolated from one another, and kept their work hidden from family and friends. If your first exposure to the notion that love between two men can be a good thing (and, oh dear God, you find that you get off on it!), while in the real world, your pastor is telling you that Anita Bryant is protecting your children, and your husband thinks that little Capote fella who's always on The Tonight Show isn't quite right, you've obviously got some stuff to work out.

I read my first slash as an obnoxious, shrieky teen, praying that Mom wouldn't find it before I could return it to the girl I'd borrowed it from. Now I'll read it on airplanes, if the pictures won't make my fellow passengers go blind.

Back in the day, there was a slash-only letterzine (sort of like a BBS, only much slower and with better grammar) called Not Tonight, Spock. One of the continuing debates was over whether Kirk and Spock (while, mind you, 100% of the readership believed were sleeping together, soul-bonded, schtupping, pillow pals, etc.) were gay. As far as I know, through the entire run of the zine, no consensus was reached.

Meanwhile, Kirk and Spock happily carried on reaming, and do to this day.

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Re: "I'm not gay. I just like to suck Spock's dick." - [info]pariforma, 2006-03-28 05:45 pm UTC
Re: "I'm not gay. I just like to suck Spock's dick." - [info]phosfate, 2006-03-28 05:54 pm UTC

[info]karmyn75
2006-03-28 05:46 pm UTC (link)
But what about celibate gays and lesbians? Are they not really homosexual because they don't have sex with someone of either gender? Silly me, I thought sexual orientation was about who you were attracted to, not what you do with them.

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(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2006-03-28 09:28 pm UTC

[info]seraphtrevs
2006-03-28 05:47 pm UTC (link)
Oh good Lord, not again. I am SO FUCKING SICK AND TIRED of this arugment. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!1!!!! *runs into the brick wall of this arugment repeatedly, then falls over*

*mops up after self*

And so in this person's viewpoint, I guess Brokeback Mountain isn't gay either because they don't go around waving rainbow flags. *facepalm* Well, okay, I can see Ennis as being strictly Jack-sexual, but a relationship between two men = homosexual relationship, despite of however the men might identify themselves. How also are you going to describe it?

If she wants to throw a bitch fit about how slash didn't evolve from the queer community, fine. But don't tell me that Harry and Draco doing it isn't gay.

And fuck, I promised myself I would never get involved in one of these arguments. >_<

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(no subject) - [info]number13baby, 2006-03-29 03:59 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-03-29 07:31 am UTC
So. Not. Touching. This.
[info]embyquinn
2006-03-28 06:12 pm UTC (link)
Everyone knows Emby's attitude towards slash by now. e.e

The sad part is, I agree with a few of [info]partly_bouncy's points, to a certain extent. At least to the extent that if you don't like slash (which I don't), you are automatically accused of being homophobic (which I'm not--am I scared of myself all of a sudden?).

That being said, I find [info]partly_bouncy's level of denial faintly amusing. Reminds me of this Law & Order SVU episode where Ice-T's character is trying to explain the whole concept of "down-low" to his Caucasian associates. Something along the lines of "These guys aren't really gay, they just like fucking each other."

To me, that is the ultimate definition of slash.

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Re: So. Not. Touching. This. - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-28 08:45 pm UTC
Look, I'm touching it! XD - [info]embyquinn, 2006-03-28 08:54 pm UTC
Re: Look, I'm touching it! XD - [info]ruby_tuesday, 2006-03-29 01:53 am UTC
Re: Look, I'm touching it! XD - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-29 08:20 am UTC
Re: Look, I'm touching it! XD - [info]imperialgirl, 2006-03-29 02:06 am UTC
Re: Look, I'm touching it! XD - [info]musette, 2006-03-29 04:32 am UTC
Except, wait... - [info]drworm, 2006-03-29 05:53 am UTC
Re: Except, wait... - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-29 07:56 am UTC
Re: Except, wait... - [info]embyquinn, 2006-03-29 08:22 am UTC
Re: So. Not. Touching. This. - [info]lush_rimbaud, 2006-03-29 02:56 pm UTC

[info]misswindy
2006-03-28 06:25 pm UTC (link)
Slash and GLBT culture did not meet really for the first time until the Xena fandom.

Kirk and Spock laugh in her general direction.

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(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-03-28 06:54 pm UTC

[info]sashenka
2006-03-28 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Man wants buttsex with men, man is either gay or bisexual. Man wants sex not with men, man is straight. Is this such a hard concept?

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(no subject) - [info]drworm, 2006-03-28 08:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-28 08:52 pm UTC
AMEN. - [info]embyquinn, 2006-03-28 08:59 pm UTC
Re: AMEN. - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-28 09:06 pm UTC
Re: AMEN. - [info]marumae, 2006-03-28 09:16 pm UTC
Re: AMEN. - [info]embyquinn, 2006-03-28 09:16 pm UTC
Re: AMEN. - [info]funwithrage, 2006-03-29 02:45 am UTC
Re: AMEN. - [info]funwithrage, 2006-03-29 02:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]drworm, 2006-03-28 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chibicurmudgeon, 2006-04-02 02:01 am UTC

[info]ladysphinx
2006-03-28 09:15 pm UTC (link)
I am documenting all this shit NOW, because I know in twenty years' time when my future children are graduate students, there will be majors available in "FanFiction Studies."

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(no subject) - [info]bleurosez, 2006-03-29 12:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrrah, 2006-03-29 05:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-29 08:04 am UTC

[info]coffee_mug
2006-03-28 09:30 pm UTC (link)
This wank leaves me confused. Have I been writing and reading slash? Homosexual slash? Gay slash? Homosexual gay slash?!

Homosexual slash gay slash slash?!

And for the matter, with "homosexual" and "gay", I imply romantic feelings and/or sexual desire between two males or two females.

Am I completely alone with this definition?

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(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2006-03-29 02:13 am UTC

redwarrior
2006-03-28 10:42 pm UTC (link)
OW MY BRAIN.

Two men boinking is homosexual well, maybe except for Gravi and Level C, as is two women boinking. Our culture defines it as such.

And I STILL don't get why straight women like watching/reading about m/m and are still too uncomfortable to call a spade a spade and say that it's a gay relationship.

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(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-03-29 06:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rackhamrose, 2006-04-02 11:52 pm UTC


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