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Erin, the punk nun ([info]sisterelwood) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-03-30 21:20:00


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The House Fandom Backlash
Moved from [info]clairvoyantwank

Okay, so for those who aren't fans of House MD there is an ongoing discussion on the sexuality of two of the leads, House and Wilson. Recently, Wilson came to stay with House after his wife filed for divorce. Cue the shipping rants!

It starts with this post-

http://community.livejournal.com/house_md/866668.html

And continues with this post-

http://community.livejournal.com/house_md/866984.html

Send in the wankage!

http://community.livejournal.com/house_md/866984.html?thread=18880680#t18880680
http://community.livejournal.com/house_md/866984.html?thread=18875560#t18875560


brainbrimstone: Thanks. I appreciate this. There isn't enough of a backlash on slash.

descrime: Why does there need to be a backlash against slash? I mean, it's not like it hurts you in any way. Slashers are not going to break into your apartment and force you to stare at the screen and read 10,000 stories of House and Wilson getting it on. If you don't like it, just don't read it.

I don't undertand why people have such a problem when other people express their support for House/Wilson. Would you be saying the same thing in a House/Cameron discussion, wanting to know why there isn't enough backlash against het pairings?

cagedwriter61: To me, it's not about the slash so much as it is about sexualization of a good friendship. If you enjoy slash, then indulge. Everyone should do what they want.

But it's just sad to be that at least in the fanfiction world, there is so much slashing of characters and so very little support of the original friendships, if they exist. And to me, House and Wilson have such a rare and wonderful relationship -- though that doesn't mean healthy/perfect -- that the over-abundance of slash in fanon is just a little bit disappointing when there isn't enough friendship/platonic love support to balance it out.

With House/Cam? The friendship aspect isn't there to sexualize. If they did have a wonderful platonic friendship, then I would also want more support of that, especially since platonic male/female friendships are another rare thing. But they don't have what House and Wilson has. It's a little different, in my perspective.



thespire:House's fixation on Cuddy's cleavage and his romance with Sela Ward's character only prove that he likes women--not that he dislikes men. Do bisexual people not exist anymore or something?

Which is the point of the whole discussion, at least for me. Personally, I could get behind either the friendship or a queer relationship. But what I don't understand, or to be more specific, what rubs me the wrong way is this irritation with characters we believe to be straight being interpreted as queer. I don't like the way you're insinuating that we're 'turning things homosexual,' because, guess what? You're not "straight until proven queer." (And if you think that's how we should interpret characters and people, that's your own personal stance, not 'the right way' to interpret canon.)

Unless a character comes out and says, "I am not gay," it seems heterosexist to me to assume that he is: a) straight, or b) only straight. Which is what you're doing with Harry Potter, imo, because all the characters in HP who get slashed do not all have corresponding straight crushes and relationships. And to me that suggests that when a character's sexuality is undefined, you're automatically believing that they're straight, and any attempts to suggest otherwise are 'turning' them gay. This could be Brokeback Hospital until the writers show us otherwise.

All wank in the House fandom boils down to pairings. Me, I think House/House's right hand is the only way to ship.


P.S. While I realize that a lot of this is fairly polite it's still wanky when you get three FOUR posts on the same thing in the span of only a few days. First, one with a poll on would we like to see House/Wilson become canon. Then, we have another post about fanon becoming canon. On the heels of that post we get another post questioning House/Wilson. Said post gets something like 161 comments last time I checked with a lot of re-hashing of the same things.

The bigger your fandom gets, the higher your chances of being reported are. HP fans could write a book on that.

The Other Two Posts Regarding House/Wilson (if you're interested...)
The Poll
http://community.livejournal.com/house_md/864692.html
And the most recent post on it
http://community.livejournal.com/house_md/869779.html

And I don't get this convo. A perfectly reasonable offer is made but it gets turned down. What the heck are people disagreeing on then???
http://community.livejournal.com/house_md/869779.html?thread=18970771#t18970771




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[info]smo
2006-03-31 04:37 am UTC (link)
Me, I think House/House's right hand is the only way to ship.

No way, man! House/House's left hand 4EVA!!!!!

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-03-31 06:00 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-03-31 07:37 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-03-31 04:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]here4tehwank, 2006-03-31 04:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-03-31 05:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stickmarionette, 2006-04-01 03:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-01 03:26 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-01 06:34 am UTC

[info]jedilora
2006-03-31 04:37 am UTC (link)
Or House/Wilson's Prescription of Hooker.

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(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2006-03-31 05:47 pm UTC

[info]tofuknight
2006-03-31 04:43 am UTC (link)
chainedwriter:But the essence of slashing something comes in preferring the romance/sexual aspect, no matter the simultaneous appreciation for the friendship-side.


And here I thought the purpose of all fanfic, gen and pr0n, was to explore things not explored in canon. Apparently really, it's all about teh sexx0rs.

Learn something new every day!

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(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-03-31 04:47 am UTC

[info]m_butterfly
2006-03-31 04:44 am UTC (link)
I say go for the one that's been there all along:



(My oldest House icon and still one of my best.)

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[info]cmikhailovic
2006-03-31 04:55 am UTC (link)
HOUSE SHIPPING WANK YAY. House/Vicodin/cane OT3!

And thespire sounds pretty damned sane, there. Also, re "omg teh ev0l slash is taking over!1!!1": dude, it's not as if heterosexual romances are exactly suffering from a lack of validation in our culture.

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-03-31 06:12 am UTC

[info]amyheartssiroc
2006-03-31 05:07 am UTC (link)
Meh. With the exception of, "There isn't enough of a backlash on slash," I didn't think that was all that wanky.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-03-31 05:48 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]footsie, 2006-04-01 05:42 pm UTC
magegirl8 - (Anonymous), 2006-04-17 10:11 pm UTC
Re: magegirl8 - [info]apoplexia, 2006-04-18 09:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2006-04-01 07:22 am UTC

[info]drworm
2006-03-31 05:25 am UTC (link)
I am still waiting for Wilson to come out. Dude, there was all that stuff with the closet last episode and the maid cleaning it out andandand...

It is the only reason I watch that show anymore. I am awaiting the day.

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(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-03-31 06:34 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]drworm, 2006-03-31 07:15 am UTC

[info]ladysphinx
2006-03-31 05:32 am UTC (link)
If you don't like it, just don't read it.


::takes a drink::

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-03-31 07:52 am UTC
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[info]panthea
2006-03-31 05:41 am UTC (link)
But it's just sad to be that at least in the fanfiction world, there is so much slashing of characters and so very little support of the original friendships, if they exist.

849,058,281,653rd verse, the same as first.

Sigh.

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[info]experiential
2006-03-31 05:56 am UTC (link)
As soon as she started in with, "Maybe it's because I'm asexual..." I knew we were in for something good. I know people like to open wank with their CV, but that's a new one.

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(no subject) - [info]grapefruitzzz, 2006-03-31 06:01 am UTC

[info]grapefruitzzz
2006-03-31 05:59 am UTC (link)
It's the 'ruining a beautiful friendship with the horrid gayboy love' remix!

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[info]suzycat
2006-03-31 06:22 am UTC (link)
Why does there need to be a backlash against slash? I mean, it's not like it hurts you in any way. Slashers are not going to break into your apartment and force you to stare at the screen and read 10,000 stories of House and Wilson getting it on.

Not yet...

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(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-03-31 06:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-03-31 07:39 am UTC

[info]seraphtrevs
2006-03-31 06:26 am UTC (link)
But it's just sad to be that at least in the fanfiction world, there is so much slashing of characters and so very little support of the original friendships, if they exist. And to me, House and Wilson have such a rare and wonderful relationship -- though that doesn't mean healthy/perfect -- that the over-abundance of slash in fanon is just a little bit disappointing when there isn't enough friendship/platonic love support to balance it out.

WHY IS NO ONE WRITING WHAT I LIKE??!! WHY DOES NO ONE EVER THINK OF MEEEEEEE??!!

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(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-03-31 06:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-03-31 11:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-03-31 07:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-03-31 07:13 pm UTC
Icon - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-04-01 01:20 am UTC
Re: Icon - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-04-01 10:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]here4tehwank, 2006-03-31 04:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seraphtrevs, 2006-03-31 07:09 pm UTC

[info]kijikun
2006-03-31 06:28 am UTC (link)
Me, I think House/House's right hand is the only way to ship.
Omg don't be hating on his left hand. ;)

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And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate.
[info]elektra3
2006-03-31 06:50 am UTC (link)
Y'know, at the risk of sounding like one of those horrible, platonic-friendship-destroying slashers, it would be kinda cool if House and Wilson turned out to be more than just friends, just to see people's heads explode.

Then again, I'm a House/Cuddy shipper. So... yay platonic friendship?

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Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]drworm, 2006-03-31 07:16 am UTC
Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-03-31 07:19 am UTC
Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]elektra3, 2006-03-31 07:21 am UTC
Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-03-31 08:01 am UTC
Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]rachel_pi, 2006-03-31 08:00 pm UTC
Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]plazmah, 2006-03-31 06:25 pm UTC
Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]miss_arel, 2006-03-31 08:30 pm UTC
Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]cmikhailovic, 2006-03-31 09:42 am UTC
Re: And suddenly, my icon is so very appropriate. - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-04 06:11 am UTC

[info]stellabymoor
2006-03-31 06:59 am UTC (link)
oi. just when the subtext was getting texty.

did not like cagedwriter61's tone.

but HEY, someone DID write House/cane fic just for me.

wank #14 y'all!

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-03-31 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kinneas, 2006-03-31 07:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-03-31 07:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stellabymoor, 2006-03-31 07:15 am UTC
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[info]kinneas
2006-03-31 07:10 am UTC (link)
Whatevs, slasher-haters. They may not get it on canonically but DAMN SAM IF THEY DON'T DO IT IN MY HEAD.

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[info]sabinelagrande
2006-03-31 07:29 am UTC (link)
Dear fangirls,

No one is going to think of the bisexuals. Ever. You don't actually care about the bisexuals either. You care about proving the slash/het fans wrong. STOP IT.

No love,
An actual bisexual

::needs a towel::

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[info]wrongly_amused
2006-03-31 07:35 am UTC (link)
Heh, heh, heh. I saw a few prime quotations show up on [info]metaquotes because of this episode, so I was a bit giddy waiting for the wank to show up afterwards.

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-03-31 07:50 am UTC

[info]breecita
2006-03-31 08:03 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one who think that the writers of House are holed up somewhere getting off on how crazy they've made fandom this week?

They are so doing it on purpose.

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(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2006-03-31 08:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-03-31 08:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]here4tehwank, 2006-03-31 04:55 pm UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2006-03-31 08:41 am UTC (link)
Unless a character comes out and says, "I am not gay,"

Even then, he's obviously in the closet. :)

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(no subject) - [info]croik, 2006-03-31 08:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stickmarionette, 2006-04-01 04:08 am UTC

[info]life_on_mars
2006-03-31 09:03 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one hankering after episodes of 'Brokeback Hospital'?

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(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-03-31 09:27 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-04-01 10:42 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-04-03 07:02 am UTC

[info]aerobot
2006-03-31 09:13 am UTC (link)
Uh, just because you like two guys as lovers does not mean you're instantly disregarding their friendship - it IS possible to equally enjoy both possibilities.

And, y'know, you CAN still be best friends AND lovers at the same time. :P

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-03-31 10:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]provetheworst, 2006-04-01 02:12 am UTC

[info]mesmer
2006-03-31 09:32 am UTC (link)

I'm cackling over the idea that some think gaysecks would actually happen on the show. Bwah! Never gonna happen. Fandom is a place where anything can happen reguardless of sexual persuasion, TV shows are far less open-minded.

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[info]solle
2006-03-31 10:44 am UTC (link)
Okay, we don't get this show where I live. Anyone care to give a summary of the fangirl attraction?

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