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i'll give you handlebars to rule the world ([info]amberwaves) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-04-18 12:29:00


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Entry tags:community: fanficrants, pc

Minor millyfan wank. Ah, for fun.

Not too long, but I thought we wankers might enjoy another little bit of fun with millyfan. Never done this before, so please don't hurt me. Mods, I will alter/adjust/fix anything in this post I do wrong, just let me know.

Millyfan posts to fanficrants about her newest brain-child, a comm called un-het, with the following:

Inspired by the unslash_fc comm, I've started the un_het challenge. The point of un_het is to write a fanfiction dealing with a platonic friendship between a woman and a man, or to write slash, yaoi, femmeslash, or yuri.

The only true requirement is that one avoid heteronormative conventions such as traditional gender roles and expectations. Sadly, too many fics, even slash/yaoi/femmeslash/yuri fics, include concepts that come from the dark ages or the 1950s, and the point of this challenge is to open your mind beyond things like marriage and babies meaning happiness, happily ever after, seme/uke, the idea that het fic is truly the pinnacle of good writing, and many other heterocentric memes in fandom.


megalomaniageek gets the ball rolling by suggesting millyfan is misogynist.

But the real fun gets started when millyfan says that Meryl leaving her job to follow Vash is a heteronormative clichée.

akusai tells her to quit with the PC campaign.

megalomaniageek suggests that "writing a character canonically sometimes requires stepping off the soapbox and being a 'bad' role model".

This makes millyfan blow a gasket and become the pompous windbag we all know and despise love. Of course, she MEANT to be an asshat say it like that in order to trap those terrible fanon-over-canon people.

You're telling me this? I write characters canonically, and I don't write from a soapbox. Apparently you've never read my fics. That's fine since twincest isn't your bag, but this is absolutely laughable because I haven't written soapbox characters.

Yes, I do understand that fandom isn't the real world and canon makes the rules. However, you have fallen into my trap and stated exactly WHY I created this challenge: so many people have confused fanon with canon.

Let's say for the reverse of this, I said "Wolfwood left his job for Vash." That's a true statement in regard to canon in both universes, and yet if I used it as evidence for equal yaoi, I'd have the whole of this community screaming at me for being a stupid slash fanbrat. However, "Meryl left her job for Vash" suddenly means that she's in Twu Luv with him, and according to you, obviously, this Twu Luv means that she's going to change who she is to become a stereotypical mommy, and this assertion is seen as perfectly true.

There's a massive double standard, and heteronormative concepts are very hard to work around because that's how *everyone* is taught to see *everything.* The reason my challenge exists is not to be PC, but rather to take a look from another side of the picture.


There's mention of how those OMG BIG MEENIES over at GAFF have been oppressing her, and millyfan states her noble desire not to instigate yaoi vs. het wank on the comm. Then megalomaniageek ends it with some can't-argue-with-this logic:

There are a lot of slash fans here. There are some het fans here. A LOT of the people here will read whatever is deemed good no matter the het/slash-iness. Yaoi is even in the comm interests list.
It really just depends on what you say and how you say it. If you say that slash is better than het, you'll get wank. If you say het is better than slash, you get wank. If you say het or slash sucks, you get wank. If you say they both suck and you want to see more gen, you'll get a bunch of "word from this gen fan" responses.


edited to fix typos


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[info]dragonkit
2006-04-18 06:43 pm UTC (link)
I was so waiting for this to show up here on F_W.

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[info]mistressrenet
2006-04-18 08:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm so sad I missed it, because I want to argue with her over Trigun canon, but now I'd be breaking the rules.

Also I have more Trigun icons on LJ.

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(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-18 08:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2006-04-18 08:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-18 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2006-04-18 08:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2006-04-18 09:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2006-04-18 09:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2006-04-18 09:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2006-04-18 09:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2006-04-18 10:10 pm UTC

[info]notjo
2006-04-18 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Is it just me, or does anyone else think fanfic rants is not the place to advertise your new community? I thought it was for ranting... about fanfics.

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[info]cleo_lassen
2006-04-18 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Well, her promo seems to have spawned a lot of ranting...does that count?

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-18 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Well, they do allow the odd off topic post as long as it has something to do with fanfic. And they allow people to advertise comms that have something to do with ranting about fanfic. Personally, I think people have gone a bit overboard with the advertising, and it really doesn't have any place there, but maybe it's just me.

And I so completely missed that wank. I remember seeing the post and knowing it would get wank, but I forgot to check back. Oh well, even retrospect is funny.

The Ghost Master

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-04-18 09:08 pm UTC

[info]cleo_lassen
2006-04-18 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Call me crazy, but how much do we know about gender roles, sexuality, and women's lib on a fictional futuristic planet that's been blown up back to the American Old West?

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[info]hallidae
2006-04-18 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Man. I develop a conditioned response to ignore anything millyfan posts, and I totally miss some good stuff. Damn you, Pavlov.

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(no subject) - [info]cleo_lassen, 2006-04-18 06:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2006-04-18 06:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-18 08:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dawnswalker, 2006-04-19 01:49 am UTC

[info]senor_pinata
2006-04-18 06:52 pm UTC (link)
It's a mini-wank. Small and goes down easy.

I thought the comm idea was okay--hey, writing stuff that's the total opposite of your usual fare can be an interesting exercise--but the phrasing did seem pretty oversensitive. But then I never imagined anyone would take the "minds out of the gutter" comment re: slashers to be anything but a joke.

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(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2006-04-18 06:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 06:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 07:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rekall, 2006-04-18 07:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2006-04-18 08:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]devils_devotion, 2006-04-19 07:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-18 07:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2006-04-18 08:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-18 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2006-04-18 08:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-18 08:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2006-04-18 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-18 08:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-04-18 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 08:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-18 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 09:23 pm UTC

[info]ashenmote
2006-04-18 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Meh, I only read fanficrants wank for the comments of [info]fallofrain and...uh...the other one. The kid with the new name. You know.

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(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 07:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-04-18 07:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2006-04-18 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-04-18 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-18 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2006-04-18 08:18 pm UTC

[info]mouseybrown
2006-04-18 07:07 pm UTC (link)
concepts that come from the dark ages or the 1950s

*sporfle*

There was nothing inbetween the Dark Ages and the 1950s concept-wise. Nothing! The Dark Ages and the 1950s were the only times when anyone was ever allowed a concept!

you have fallen into my trap and stated exactly WHY I created this challenge

Yes! You fell into my big pit of a trap! How do you like it down there amongst the spikes and the tigers and the things that make you go 'owie!'? Now stay down there and die quietly whilst I seek to entrap others with my phwoar skillz at semantics and my inability to comprehend anything if it's not about MEEEEEEE!

What. A. Twunt.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2006-04-18 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Does anyone else ever think people keep making up words in an attempt to sound intelligent? At least when I make words, I tell people it's a brand spanking new word and don't go looking in the dictionary.

I'm sorry, there's wank? I'm still focused on the new word M-W.com says doesn't exist. I think I'll go use "heteronormative" in a sentence today, just for the hell of it.

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(no subject) - [info]xero_sky, 2006-04-18 07:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2006-04-18 07:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-04-18 08:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-04-18 08:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-04-18 08:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-04-18 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]froda_baggins, 2006-04-18 07:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 08:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]froda_baggins, 2006-04-18 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 08:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]froda_baggins, 2006-04-18 08:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-04-18 08:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]froda_baggins, 2006-04-18 10:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-04-18 11:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]evilsqueakers, 2006-04-18 08:07 pm UTC

[info]amxjm
2006-04-18 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Heh, this might be a good place to pimp my own personal OTP, but I don't feel like it. Speaking of which, I really need to finish an icon for them one of these days...

Er, I mean, no comment.

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[info]sarajayechan
2006-04-18 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Millyfan. It was only a matter of time before she reverted to her old self. XD

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(no subject) - [info]freezer, 2006-04-18 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2006-04-19 12:51 am UTC

[info]xero_sky
2006-04-18 07:32 pm UTC (link)
"Hauling Our Minds Out of the Gutter".

Yeah, that wasn't going to cause any wank at all.

*facepalm*

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[info]nebbieq
2006-04-18 07:49 pm UTC (link)
While the whole thing is dumb (not just unhet; unslash, I'm looking at you), I kinda want to see if anybody's going to make something like this.

...only with him, y'know, liking it.

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(no subject) - [info]sheep, 2006-04-18 08:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-18 08:16 pm UTC

[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-04-18 07:54 pm UTC (link)
What a vast, roiling pit of dumb.

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[info]snarky_bix
2006-04-18 07:55 pm UTC (link)
A tich wanky yes, but not up to MF's usual wank standards IMO.

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(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 08:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2006-04-18 08:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-18 08:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-18 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2006-04-19 06:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2006-04-19 06:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gorogoro, 2006-04-18 08:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-18 08:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-18 08:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]freezer, 2006-04-18 08:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-18 08:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleo_lassen, 2006-04-18 09:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-18 10:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]randomsome1, 2006-04-19 05:45 am UTC
I Will! - [info]freezer, 2006-04-19 07:38 am UTC
Re: I Will! - (Anonymous), 2006-04-19 07:46 pm UTC
Re: I Will! - [info]freezer, 2006-04-19 07:56 pm UTC
Re: I Will! - [info]cleo_lassen, 2006-04-20 04:07 pm UTC
Re: I Will! - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-20 04:45 pm UTC
Captain Wanket! - (Anonymous), 2006-04-20 08:25 pm UTC
Re: Captain Wanket! - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-20 08:37 pm UTC
Re: Captain Wanket! - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-20 10:06 pm UTC
Re: Captain Wanket! - (Anonymous), 2006-04-20 11:40 pm UTC
Re: I Will! - (Anonymous), 2006-04-19 07:47 pm UTC
Re: I Will! - (Anonymous), 2006-04-19 07:48 pm UTC

[info]ladyofviolets
2006-04-18 09:35 pm UTC (link)
Fuck. I was going to post this at Clairvoyant Wank, but wanted to give it some time to fully wank-alope. Now you beat this to me.

* goes emo in the corner *

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(no subject) - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-18 11:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2006-04-19 12:48 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-04-18 10:40 pm UTC (link)
I landed on F_W! Cherry-poping moment here.

Anyway, it seems that millyfan has lost her touch for wank. I blame it on her PC campaign. *exits scenario, ducking tomatoes*

akusai @ LJ

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(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-18 10:56 pm UTC

vomitymcpuke
2006-04-18 11:38 pm UTC (link)
What's the difference between yaoi and slash!?

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(no subject) - [info]freezer, 2006-04-18 11:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-19 05:14 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-21 12:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-21 06:42 am UTC

[info]pyratejenni
2006-04-18 11:50 pm UTC (link)
Millyfan? Write canon?

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Hah.



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(no subject) - [info]snarky_bix, 2006-04-19 12:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tachikoma01, 2006-04-19 03:12 am UTC

[info]karmyn75
2006-04-19 01:48 am UTC (link)
Where has she been oppressed on GAFF? The forum isn't working half the time. We don't have time for wank there, although someone tried. It was quickly moved to the troll forum.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-19 07:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]freezer, 2006-04-19 08:00 pm UTC

[info]tachikoma01
2006-04-19 03:04 am UTC (link)
*sigh* The ol' "you just disagree with me because you're a clique and can't think for yourself!" argument. Which somehow implies that if the other person were thinking creatively, they'd think just like you.

I really have nothing to add except that I wanted to use my shiney new "repeat wanker" icon.

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(no subject) - [info]tachikoma01, 2006-04-19 03:14 am UTC
Ah, the smell of grudge in the morning
tsuzukilove
2006-04-19 06:10 am UTC (link)
*sighs sadly*

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Re: Ah, the smell of grudge in the morning - [info]cleo_lassen, 2006-04-19 03:53 pm UTC
Re: Ah, the smell of grudge in the morning - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-19 06:02 pm UTC
Re: Ah, the smell of grudge in the morning - [info]senor_pinata, 2006-04-19 06:34 pm UTC
Re: Ah, the smell of grudge in the morning - (Anonymous), 2006-04-19 06:58 pm UTC

[info]didodiva
2006-04-21 12:35 am UTC (link)
Wow, it actually took several paragraphs before she got to the Trigun references. I think that's a new record. I can hope that one day she'll actually make a post that actually has no references to the series and/or her own story. Sometimes I swear she forgets that not everyone she speaks to will necessarily be a fan and ger her references.

And I really need to use a theasaurus, don't I?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-24 11:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amberwaves, 2006-04-25 03:45 am UTC

 
   
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