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791point43 ([info]791point43) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-04-20 22:05:00


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Current mood:OMGWTF
Entry tags:authors, creator wank, do your research

Linger on your pale OMG!BLUE eyes....
The Buffy shipper wank made me nostalgic for the days when David Boreanaz was thin and pretty, so I went and dipped my toes into the Bones fandom. Guess how long it took me to find wank..?

TWO MINUTES FLAT!

It starts back in February, over on the books discussion of the Fox forum for Bones, when tcjmom sounds the alarm about the first spin-off novel, 'Buried Deep', written by Max Allan Collins: "I'm only on page 14 and have quit reading. I got so mad. ... It seems that not the person who wrote the book or any of those editing it has ever watched one single episode. If they had how could they have gotten something so grossly wrong!!!!! ****steam if coming out my ears***** Oh, you're still waiting for me to tell you what's irritating me so much?! The description of Agent Seeley Booth ...."with his square jaw, close-cropped brown hair, and (***gnashes teeth***) steel-blue eyes..." BLUE EYES!!!! How could anyone mistake them for blue?!!!

****slams down books and stomps off****"

She's mildly worried that she might be over-reacting, until Edgeoforever assures her that she isn't. Just to *really* show her that she isn't, Edgeoforever does what anyone would do in a situation like this, and emails the author to let him know that she most certainly won't be buying the book: "What is the point of writing a book based on a TV series if your characters are not going to be based on the characters in said TV series?
I was going to buy your book, when I checked the physical description of the main character and... I passed.
Too bad. Your failure to check with the casting of the show is taking away from you...well, all the built-in market you had.
Good luck with people who are interested in the series but...not watching it."

Max Allen Collins allegedly takes some time out of his busy schedule of knocking out CSI novels to actually respond: "When the book was written, we had only a rough version of the pilot to go on. What did we get wrong about the description? Kathy Reichs and the producers of the show approved the novel, in fact went over it in detail.
We also added and rewrote as the episodes began to appear, by the way."

Edgeoforever emails him a picture of David Boreanaz to "express her feelings".

Collins considers the picture and loses his cool: "I would say Boreanaz is square-jawed.
As for his eye color, I guess it's brown, but no one at Fox, Pocket Books or the Bones production company noticed this.
It seems to me if you are a fan of the show you might (a) appreciate the hard work that went into doing this novel, including huge forensics research, under considerably backbreaking deadline constraints, and (b) want to support a project that is officially sanctioned by the show and makes an effort to be (eye color or not) true to the series. It also happens to be a really good novel.
I would also suggest that you have people skills even worse than Brennan, writing a complete stranger an insulting, patronizing pair of e-mails.
But then maybe that's just me."

Edgeoforever explains that she has a very rare medical condition: "I won't argue with you about my people skills, but maybe, like Brennan, I also have a mania for truth."

fluteishness offers a valuable contribution to the debate about Boreanaz's features: "His face is square-shaped, not his jaw. His jaw is prominent, but it tapers normally like most other guys'."

Edgeoforever sends Collins some of Boreanaz's interviews to aid him in writing future books about Boreanaz's dreamy eyes and hair Bones and magnanimously offers to actually read 'Buried Deep'. It transpires that she has in fact had "many lengthy exchanges like that with writers, radio personalities, journalists etc.  I don't find anything unusual in that."

And all is momentarily quiet, until lasakra invokes the First Amendment to defend the writer's freedom to give the character whatever eye colour he wants!

Edgeoforever: "Freedom of speech is all fine and dandy, but then don't put on the cover "based on the TV series" - because then the so call freedom becomes deceit and false advertising."

After a little more tedious mudslinging, fluteishness steps forth again to illustate that paying attention to detail is important when it comes to Bones, by talking about how she created Sims of Seeley and Tempy: "I just created their faces with the Simulator. Several hours, and several downloaded pics later (including quite a lovely one where someone was in a bathtub...) two lovely sims were born (and later married *g*)."

And there was still wank coming out of this thread five days ago...




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[info]sunhawk
2006-04-20 11:24 pm UTC (link)
See the author's first mistake was not rabidly catering to the fangirls and making sure every single physical description of their sex idol is glowing and perfect O_o He should definitely hire one of these girls to go over his books otherwise he's just a fake author!

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[info]phosfate
2006-04-20 11:31 pm UTC (link)
I wonder what sort of mail Max Allan Collins gets from CSI fans.

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[info]hallidae
2006-04-20 11:37 pm UTC (link)
I'm all for sticking as close to canon as possible, but Edgeoforever is...scary. Jesus, poor Collins.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-20 11:38 pm UTC (link)
This just goes to prove that no matter how apeshit insane everyone else is, Boreanaz (homg I might have spelled that wrong!!!1!1!) wankers will always be the craziest.

~Impertinence

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[info]hooverdam
2006-04-20 11:50 pm UTC (link)
****slams down books and stomps off****

Holy hell, the *does action* style of writing annoys the living snot out of me.

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[info]didodiva
2006-04-20 11:50 pm UTC (link)
Am I crazy, or was Bones actually based on a book or set of books? I tend to remember some news teaser saying how the series was based on something written by a local (North Carolina) writer.

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vomitymcpuke
2006-04-21 12:50 am UTC (link)
I love Bones! And David! And his blue eyes.


Jeesh, if you want to wank about eye colour, wank about the IMPORTANT green eyes of Harry Potter not being green!

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(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2006-04-21 05:57 am UTC

[info]vaniah
2006-04-21 12:52 am UTC (link)
This is so ironic since I literally just wasted two precious exam-review days today and yesterday reading Bones fanfiction and collecting adorable animated Brennan/Booth LJ icons.

Also, am I the only one who's too busy staring at DB's fantastic biceps and tight ass to notice what colour his eyes are? It can't just be me, right?

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[info]rosehiptea
2006-04-21 01:49 am UTC (link)
Because making Sims is so much like writing a novel.

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[info]rotten_fish
2006-04-21 01:56 am UTC (link)
"I won't argue with you about my people skills, but maybe, like Brennan, I also have a mania for truth."

I totally read that in Colbert's voice. "And a WAG OF THE FINGER goes to - you know, no. Max Allan Collins, because you insisted on messing up the sexy, sexy eyes of dreamboat David Boreanaz, you are Dead To Me."

"His face is square-shaped, not his jaw. His jaw is prominent, but it tapers normally like most other guys'."

::dies laughing::

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[info]smut_queen
2006-04-21 02:06 am UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure MAC doesn't watch any of the shows he writes his shitty books for.

And wow, the grammar in that sentence is atrocious.

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[info]amyheartssiroc
2006-04-21 02:16 am UTC (link)
People expect a book based on a TV series to actually be good?

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[info]sadisticferret
2006-04-21 02:17 am UTC (link)
Yay, Bones wank! Finally, my newest fandom has arrived! I actually couldn't care less about the wank itself, though, as Booth and his magical color-changing eyes are entirely uninteresting to me. What I would like to know is if anyone can point me to some Brennan/Angie porn. I mean, come on, that Dead Boyfriend in the Desert episode was totally femmeslashy.

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[info]hobbitsexual
2006-04-21 02:40 am UTC (link)
wait... she threw a tantrum... over EYECOLOUR?

a whole new universe of stupid is born.

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(no subject) - [info]moonlitsiren, 2006-04-21 06:40 am UTC
is it just fucking me
[info]stinkwrinkle
2006-04-21 02:53 am UTC (link)
Or could that forum be any more difficult to navigate? I mean, it's 2006 people.

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Re: is it just fucking me - [info]omnicrom, 2006-04-21 03:20 am UTC
Re: is it just fucking me - (Anonymous), 2006-04-21 03:40 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-04-21 03:22 am UTC (link)
I'm an entertainment writer up in these parts, and a few years ago I interviewed David Boreanaz for a Canadian teen magazine. He was a very nice man, but not the sharpest tool in the shed... I asked him a lot of pretty decent questions about his character development process, only to get answers in the vein of, "Well, I just try to be like, cool with him." Uh, okay.

Plus, he was eating a sloppy joe while he was talking (it was over the phone), which was odd to say the least.

That's my only contribution to this particular wank.

-qs.

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catatonia
2006-04-21 03:46 am UTC (link)
Edgeoforever explains that she has a very rare medical condition

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-21 04:09 am UTC (link)
Let this be a lesson, professional writers, actors and celebrities everywhere.

Do not engage the angry fen. Do not do it. I know it's tempting, I know you want to correct their stupid and mock their sense of entitlement, but it never, ever, ever works. It only fuels their idiocy and their taste for splooge. Just BACK AWAY and pretend you're too famous to read your own forums.

A.

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(no subject) - [info]eilisliana, 2006-04-21 04:11 am UTC

[info]rekall
2006-04-21 04:54 am UTC (link)
I see...the Curse of the Blue-Eyes have struck another victim. First it was pretty much all the characters in LOTRs, then it was Harry Potter and now some character on a show I don't even watch. It's a conspiracy, I tell 'ya. Some evil blue-eyed bastard is trying to make everyone in the world have the same color.

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(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2006-04-21 11:04 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]exdee, 2006-04-22 06:19 pm UTC
green eyes green eyes green eyes GREEN EYEZZZZZ
dearladydisdain
2006-04-21 04:56 am UTC (link)
So I guess none of these people are in Harry Potter fandom...?

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[info]frequentmouse
2006-04-21 05:06 am UTC (link)
Which suddenly reminds me: in the first licensed Farscape novel, Moya burns coal...

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GIP
[info]perletwo
2006-04-21 05:47 am UTC (link)
The look on Brennan's face says it all for me, I think...

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[info]honorh
2006-04-21 06:34 am UTC (link)
Please. Any half-awake old Jossverse fan knows Angel David Boreanaz's eyes are "chocolate-colored orbs."

*toddles fanon bunny back to hutch*

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My Two Cents
[info]life_on_mars
2006-04-21 08:15 am UTC (link)
FWIW, where does the silly cow get off haranguing the author of the tie-in novel about a minor error? And where does he get off, dignifying her batshit with a response? They both sound pretty unbalanced to me, but he as a 'professional' should know better; don't engage with the crazy, you never win.

Tie-in novels are never any good anyway, that's axiomatic. They're produced on such a tight schedule (I sympathise with him about that) and nobody concerned with their production gives a stuff about quality; it's all just merchandising, and the characters are never ever going to meet fannish perceptions - largely because individual fannish perceptions vary so much.

In the dim-and-distant past I organised a small convention to which we invited the pseudonymous 'Ken Blake', writer of the 'Professionals' tie-in novels, which were very well written (i.e. good fiction and a good technical standard), and gently twitted him about some of the small errors which had crept in. He explained that the lead-in time with the novels was such that some of the episodes hadn't even been filmed when he was working from the scripts, and in a lot of cases the process was too far along for errors to be caught at a later stage. This may also be true with 'Bones'; I honestly don't care for Boreanaz so I've never watched it and I'm only guessing here.

So on the whole my sympathies would have been with the pro author, except that he's obviously a horse's ass when it comes to dealing with readers. You're never going to get a batshit fan to back down and say "Oh gee, sorry, you're quite right, I don't know why I got so upset" and therefore you just shouldn't get involved. One would hope he's learned his lesson, but it looks as if they're both beyond hope.

A plague on both their houses!

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Re: My Two Cents - (Anonymous), 2006-04-22 01:55 am UTC
Re: My Two Cents - [info]life_on_mars, 2006-04-22 12:30 pm UTC

[info]plazmah
2006-04-21 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Wow, this is some crazy crap. I am SO PROUD of my ickle fandom! *was up till 2 AM writing Bones fic*

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