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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-04-23 09:13:00


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Entry tags:fandom: harry potter, racism, slytherfen

"I am not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter."
[info]telesilla wrote a post entitled On Dealing with Half a Canon which asks how people deal with the holes and the unknowns in JKR's canon, when writing fic or coming up with theories. Most of the responses were polite, on-topic, until (18-year-old) [info]durins_bane_616 asks the not-so-innocent question,

"Incidentally, what exactly do you mean by Slytherin apologists?"

[info]darkrosetiger: There's a certain segment of adult HP fans who insist that not only is JKR being unfair in her portrayals of the Slytherins, where at best they're morally ambiguous, but that in reality, the Slytherins are the good guys and the Gryffindors are teh evil. Some of that crowd goes even further, and try to claim that the Death Eaters' insistence that "purity of blood" is the most important thing is not really at all reminiscent of the Nazis or the KKK, and it's not really intended as an analogy for real-world racism.

[info]durins_bane_616: Wow. I can't believe there are people that actually believe that. Please do not misunderstand what I am about to say. I am not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter. I realize that Slytherins are evil, and that's why I support them. But I separate that from my real-life beliefs. I think that it is dangerous to excessively analogize books to real life.

[info]darkrosetiger: don't think it's dangerous to draw parallels, especially when the author has stated repeatedly that the parallels are intentional. And I'm sorry, but "I'm not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter" doesn't fly with me. Lucius Malfoy is one of my favorite characters, but I still find his racist sentiments appalling. Having heard similar sentiments expressed toward people who look like me, I don't have the luxury of "being racist" in fiction, and I don't feel comfortable around people who don't understand how offensive that is.

Instead of answering, Durins_bane_616 went running to his own LJ to whine about it. eg. "I am not a racist Nazi." And apparently deleted Darkrosetiger's comments. Apologies are made at the end (good for Durin's Bane) but it's still great WTF? fun to read.




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[info]pyratejenni
2006-04-23 06:15 pm UTC (link)
For all their long-winded, tl;dr meta, Slytherin apologists are such whiners.

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[info]exdee
2006-04-23 06:16 pm UTC (link)
*boggles*

wtf indeed

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[info]hallidae
2006-04-23 06:24 pm UTC (link)
I gotta say, I'm a bit on the side of thinking that the philosophy "I'm only racist in Harry Potter!" is really stupid too.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-23 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Yet another example of a self-proclaimed Death Eater that would get crucio'd faster than you can wave a wand.

-jennybunny

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[info]the_gentleman
2006-04-23 06:37 pm UTC (link)
I realize that Slytherins are evil, and that's why I support them.

What? I simply don't get the idea of supporting the bad guys because they're bad. Thinking that Slytherins might have been pushed rather than jumping of their own accord is entirely different to saying "I support bigots and murderers because evil=good".

Fucking doublespeak.

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[info]scorpio20
2006-04-23 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Whoa. Conuly is even in there and seems to be making sense. When did that happen?

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[info]rotten_fish
2006-04-23 06:42 pm UTC (link)
NM, I love you. Thank you so much for this.

I am sick and tired of people tearing my head off and gnawing on my insides because I am a Death Eater.

Whoa, there, who's over-analogizing now?

I am not a racist Nazi.

...I just play one on the internet!!

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[info]sandyclaws68
2006-04-23 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Talk about over-identification with a bleedin' book. She/He/It actually refers to whatever-it-is-self as a Death Eater. Not I think the Death Eaters are cool., or I can understand where the Death Eaters are coming from.. Nope, I am a Death Eater. Sweet.

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[info]waterfront
2006-04-23 06:50 pm UTC (link)
This fandom, man. It's like the ink used to print the books is made with water and two parts crazy sauce.

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[info]freezer
2006-04-23 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Crap... If that's all it takes to trigger a profanity filled whine, what would've been duris_bane's reaction if darkrosetiger had actually attacked him?

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-04-23 11:58 pm UTC

[info]rotten_fish
2006-04-23 06:56 pm UTC (link)
And I do this because, unlike some people, I have drawn a line between fandom and real life. Scandalous, I know. I am sick and tired of people tearing my head off and gnawing on my insides because I am a Death Eater. ::snip::
And I never said I was mature. I don't want to be.

...I was being a whiny, immature baby. I hate when I do that.


In this particular case, I don't think it's the world's fault for misunderstanding goth boy here.

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[info]miss_padfoot
2006-04-23 06:58 pm UTC (link)
[info]telesilla, if you're reading this... that was great. :D

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[info]missdaisy
2006-04-23 07:05 pm UTC (link)
I'm not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter"

I am, however, a complete moron all the time.

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(no subject) - [info]nikkief, 2006-04-23 09:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]missdaisy, 2006-04-23 09:06 pm UTC
On the evening news...
[info]nebbieq
2006-04-23 07:12 pm UTC (link)
Durin's Bane: A closet bigot, or merely a darque dorque who's deliriously dumb with words? More at eleven.

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[info]polygamouse
2006-04-23 07:16 pm UTC (link)
I am not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter. I realize that Slytherins are evil, and that's why I support them.

I don't know. I think I understand what he's saying and it's not necessarily "Prejudism," Yay! But he probably picked the worst way ever to say it.

The fact that he realizes that the DE's are actually racist puts him a peg ahead of most Slytherinistas. And there really is a difference from cheering on the bad guys in a book and cheering on their real life counterparts. In a lot of books (and I don't think HP is one of them, but it's kind of a judgement call) the bad guys are just more interesting. They have more history, more motivation, and spend lots of time kicking ass or blowing shit up. But "I like them because they're racist?" That doesn't fly. And when called on it, the proper response would have been either to clarify how that's not exactly what was meant or admit that yeah, that is what was meant and then run away and hide from polite society. 'Cause yeah, the post smackdown whining = wankity wank wank.

It does look like Durin's Bane got there eventually, so good for him.

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[info]dracolovesharry
2006-04-23 07:34 pm UTC (link)
http://tabellae.livejournal.com/79870.html

Suddenly I'm reminded of this entry from about two years ago that talks about why Tom Riddle is right.



On a semi-unrelated note...

Is anyone else sort of annoyed at the fact that they think Slytherins are the ONLY ones who become Death Eaters? I'd be weary of those Hufflepuffs-- such blind loyalty to their own kind makes for great Death Eaters. Slytherins are all too ambitious to follow and probably will backstab eventually.

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[info]shaggydogstail
2006-04-23 07:44 pm UTC (link)
When will these people realise that whilst no-one bats an eyelid if you are interested in Slytherins/Death Eaters, identifying with or supporting a bunch of violent bigots doesn't make you look cool or edgy: it makes you look foolish. At best.

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[info]coffee_mug
2006-04-23 08:05 pm UTC (link)
Only a racist in Harry Potter.

Idiot Phrase to Print On Your T-Shirt of the Month, definitely.

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(no subject) - [info]prettyveela, 2006-04-23 10:37 pm UTC
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[info]slackerbitch
2006-04-23 08:20 pm UTC (link)
Unlike [info]darkrosetiger's contentions, I am not a racist Nazi.

You know, it would really help your contention of not being racist if you hadn't said:

I am not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter.

It's not like she's putting words in your mouth here, kiddo.

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[info]jim_smith
2006-04-23 08:36 pm UTC (link)
I am not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter. I realize that Slytherins are evil, and that's why I support them.

Um, Slytherin and Gryffindor aren't races--they're dormitories at a private school.

I'm picturing this person saying things like "I am not racist in real life, only in Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds."

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[info]seeshellirun
2006-04-23 08:47 pm UTC (link)
"I am not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter."

What a coincidence. I only have Herpes when watching House.

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[info]waltraute
2006-04-23 08:51 pm UTC (link)
And the circle of wank continues to roll through here, too...

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(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2006-04-23 09:41 pm UTC
Hot sweaty face to palm action! UNF - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-23 10:13 pm UTC
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Join us! - [info]liebestod, 2006-04-25 02:13 am UTC
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[info]prettyveela
2006-04-23 10:15 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for bringing the wank on a sunday afternoon NM.

I cannot stop laughing at this:

I am sick and tired of people tearing my head off and gnawing on my insides because I am a Death Eater.

Yes you're REALLY a Death Eater(can you get me Voldemort's autograph?) and Shadowsider is really a Slytherin who eats Gryffindors for breakfast!

Shut the fuck up and get out of my fandom. :\

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(no subject) - [info]oar, 2006-04-23 10:49 pm UTC
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[info]seeshellirun
2006-04-23 10:19 pm UTC (link)
"I am sick and tired of people tearing my head off and gnawing on my insides because I am a Death Eater."

Psssh. We all know that true Slytherins are bartenders.

*wait for it....*

In the dark.

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(no subject) - [info]lanjelin, 2006-04-24 02:00 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-04-23 10:26 pm UTC (link)
"I am not racist in real life, only in Harry Potter."

That just *begs* to be icon'ed.

-starlady42 on lj

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