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felinephoenix ([info]felinephoenix) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-04-30 11:52:00


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Current mood:ded from fanboi
Entry tags:creator wank, not sure how to tag, pairing wars

Oh snap, I bet this means more clones.
So, in Wizard magazine, Spider-Man writer J. Michael Straczynski and Marvel editor-in-chief Joe Quesada announced their plans to "fix" Spider-Man and "rip out [the fans's] hearts". Again. Joey Q also shared his thoughts on yaoi went on about his hate-on for Spidey's wife, Mary Jane. Because it's totally her fault the comics suck, you guys, not retcon after retcon after the fugliest costume in the world.

Anyway, the news reached various comics message boards. I'm sure you can guess what happened next.

We're up to 14 pages of wank on Superherohype.com, 11 pages at Comics Resource Boards, and various splurts on the Spider-Man Comics Board.

And if you think I'm going to sum up 25+ pages of wank, you're as nuts as a guy in a Goblin costume. However, I will share the highlights.

From Superherohype:

Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a swinger can...

And now, my favorite part of the wank. Gregatron, and his belief that Spider-Man should be just like him never have graduated high school. Too bad the 70s ruined everything. Damn dirty hippies, don't they know comics are a timeless fiction? This goes on for two more pages. (Oh, and it's only semi-related to the wank, but I recommend you all check out the rant in his sig for the definition of TL; TB; DR.)

Bringing Ben back permanently? Fine. Gwen's been living as a troll the last 10 years under GW bridge? Ok. MJ has cancer, A.I.D.S. and chronic arthritis? Sure. Spidey's outing himself as Peter Parker and the one TRUE Hobgoblin? There's somebody with a credit card and an "I heart Morlun" T-Shirt that'll pick up the trade.

Now, STOP! COMPARISION TIME! First, MJ gets compared to a car radio, because actresses are just like machines. Then Gwen is compared to a vampire, which is actually pretty apt. Finally, JMS and Joey Q and compared to Pinky and the Brain, and that's insulting to fictional mice.

From CBR:

OMFG SHUT UP AND JUST WRITE GOOD STORIES!

Now MJ is ded from Ultimate Spider-Man.


So it looks like Peter is stuck with MJ for the rest of his life. And what have we learned from this? Marriage is a trap: A suffocating, constricting life-draining abyss from which there is no escape.

I'm getting married on August 5th.


MJ is really a secret agent, you guys!

From The Spider-Man Message Board:

Just go slit your wrists, fanboy. No, really. Stop disrespecting our right to moan!

IT'S TIME FOR DARTH SPIDEY! No, it's time for DARTH MJ! Aw, hell, let's just give her brain damage. Because a guy who left his wife thanks to brain damage would be anything but an asshole.

It is taking all my willpower not to turn this into a "thoughts on yaoi" joke.

Oh, and meet Thread 1 and Thread 2, both speculating about how Marvel is going to kill Mary Jane again. Then there's their clone friend, OMG Marvel Stop Raping MJ With a Tent Peg! And of course, we can't end a good wank without lots and lots of whining about how Spider-Man has been destroyed forever. Or bets on how long 'til Gwen comes back. Since, you know, no-one stays dead in comics anymore. Not even Uncle Ben.

ETA: OH NO, THEY FOUND US! We're such mean girls, you guys. =(

ETA x 2: Gregation vs. Logic, Round Two! (More in these pages.) I really wish this guy would stop confusing Spider-Man with Peter Pan.




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[info]ruuger
2006-04-30 07:35 pm UTC (link)
pssst, it's spelled Straczynski ;)

And I wonder if there's already wank about this at rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe, because JMS lurks there and he can wank with the best of them if he's in the mood.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-30 07:50 pm UTC (link)
This the friggin' reason why I read manga. The stories have a finite life and don't drag on until they become a joke.

I swear the Marvel people are closet necrophilics with the amount of grave robbing they do.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-30 08:00 pm UTC (link)
I haven't read a Marvel comic in 10 years so it's good to know that some things never change. Marvel still hate MJ and luv Gwen.

Spider-Man was destroyed years ago. *sigh*

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[info]lindentreeisle
2006-04-30 08:11 pm UTC (link)
In a way, they're right, but seriously, what are you going to do? Invent some kind of machine to twist the fabric of space-time so you can live permanently in the moment when you read the first Spiderman comic? You can't run a comic for 30 years without things, you know, happening.

Marvelwank is pretty much inevitable I think. Anyway, this is why I like stuff like Ultimate- life is so much wankier simpler when you just throw the entire continuity in the meat grinder and start over from scratch.

Or if you just ignore the comics and write slash. Either or.

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[info]freezer
2006-04-30 08:12 pm UTC (link)
The current PTB at Marvel seem to be followers of the old soap opera maxim that "Happy is boring." Spider-Man was at it's best when Peter was a hard-luck loser in real life, and similtaneously picked on and loved under the mask.

Funny how that completely ignores the first half of the 90s, where a happily married Spidey was doing record business...

I've also heard some people try to push the idea that young readers can't relate to a Spider-Man with a hot wife and good home life. Funny how that never seemed to matter back in the early 90's when every other issue of a Spider-book featured MJ in lingerie...

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-30 08:12 pm UTC (link)
It's a fucking COMIC.

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[info]skeezix
2006-04-30 08:19 pm UTC (link)
If they were referring to Movie!MJ I could see why, but Comic!MJ? Comic!MJ is a cutie and has nice boobies! How can anyone hate on her? ;_;

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[info]nlb_muffin
2006-04-30 08:30 pm UTC (link)
In the mid-90s, we started getting the "grim 'n' gritty" approach, which included junk like spinning himself into a coccoon and becoming "the spider" who "didn't feel" yada, yada, after his "parents" were revealed to be androids.

BAH HAHAHA! XD
And, let's not forget the whole Clone Saga nonsense wherein he clobbers his wife after finding out that he's a "clone."
The first and only Spider-Man issue I ever bought ('cause I was waiting in an airport) was from this saga. I think it was my intro to the fact that hey! comics are cracked!

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(no subject) - [info]zero_enthusiasm, 2006-05-01 07:54 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-04-30 08:54 pm UTC (link)
How many restarts does Spider-Man need? Ultimate already exists to satisfy the young!Peter fans, he should continue to grow and change in the main series.

Of course, with all the alien/clone/head-eating crap, married!Peter isn't even really human anymore, and that's why he sucks so much ass. If JMS wrote Batman, Bruce Wayne would be a bloody vampire by now.

These people aren't being wanky, because it's not wank if you're right.

--The Clichemoth

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[info]bemysty
2006-04-30 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Once upon a time, I tried to follow the release of that Peter&Ben clone arc.

I failed massively.

Since then I've stayed the fuck away, and I think it's best like that.

In fact, the only Spider-anything comic I've touched in the last five years was Spider-Girl... which I only read for the trainwreck factor.

Vertigo all the way for me, baby.

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(no subject) - [info]pipssister, 2006-05-01 12:40 am UTC
;_;!!! - [info]felinephoenix, 2006-05-01 06:12 am UTC
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[info]puipui
2006-04-30 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Not even Uncle Ben.

Oh, for fuck's sake. First Bucky, now Uncle Ben?

Bad form, Marvel, bad form. Get a new plotline already.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-30 09:39 pm UTC (link)
And this, folks, is why the only time I buy comics is when they're put out as completed storylines in graphic novels. I can read 'em and I don't need to worry about continuity so long as I know roughly who's who.

Then again, I've never been so much of a Spidey fan. Dislike the real thing way too much.

--Athersgeo (prefers her heroes with a lack of height, claws and a serious attitude problem)

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(no subject) - [info]felinephoenix, 2006-05-01 07:13 am UTC

[info]belafarinrod
2006-04-30 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Ahh, comics wank... Interesting to watch from afar, and makes me happy I'm not in the fandom.

However, Ultimate Spidey is one of the slashiest little jail-bates on that side of the ocean.

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[info]magma9
2006-04-30 09:48 pm UTC (link)
There are no good 616 Spider-Man books out now. Accept it. Move on. Read Ultmate Spider-Man. Oh, Bendis, how I love thee.

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(no subject) - [info]felinephoenix, 2006-05-12 04:05 am UTC
Oddly enough, I didn't need to change as much as I thought I would.
[info]nebbieq
2006-04-30 10:35 pm UTC (link)
Isn't it rich, aren't we a pair
Retconning and rewriting - with nary a care
Send in the clones

Isn't it bliss, don't you approve
Of character death to save - a plot that can't move
But where are the clones - send in the clones

Spidey's lost his spark for a while
Peter needed something new a different - style
Let's just whack Mary Jane her marriage got in the way
But in exchange - Old Ben can stay

But you loved marriage; our fault we fear
We thought that you'd want what we want - sorry my dear
But where are the clones - send in the clones
Don't bother they're here

Isn't it rich, isn't it queer
Losing our marbles this late in our career
But where are the clones - send in the clones (there ought to be clones)
Well maybe next year

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Re: Oddly enough, I didn't need to change as much as I thought I would. - (Anonymous), 2006-05-01 12:09 am UTC
Re: Oddly enough, I didn't need to change as much as I thought I would. - [info]iris, 2006-05-01 12:44 am UTC
Re: Oddly enough, I didn't need to change as much as I thought I would. - [info]felinephoenix, 2006-05-01 06:57 am UTC
Re: Oddly enough, I didn't need to change as much as I thought I would. - [info]ueuecoyotl, 2006-05-01 08:17 pm UTC

[info]spawn_of_kong
2006-04-30 10:41 pm UTC (link)
*clicks on "fugliest costume in the world" link*

...

...THE FUCK?!

Please tell me that's not actually part of the Spider-Man canon. Because if it is...well, my icon says it all I guess.

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[info]sashenka
2006-04-30 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Dear almighty creator of Babylon 5 JMS,
Please, no more clones.
Love,
Everyone

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[info]alecto
2006-04-30 10:52 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry, Spiderman was good to begin with? Like ever? *definitely more of a DC fan*

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[info]evilsqueakers
2006-04-30 11:05 pm UTC (link)
I'm so very glad I never got into comics now, especially his. I'm not even following the storyline...just looking at that outfit for a whole book thing would drive me nuts. Cause dude, really. It's just tacky. It reminds me of the 80s love of spandex meets someone who looked at a Fabio cover one too many times. Just saying.

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also, god, mj is hot a'ight.
[info]waterfront
2006-04-30 11:35 pm UTC (link)
FNSM #8 as the Return of Uncle Ben!

WHAT.

THE.

FUCK.

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Re: also, god, mj is hot a'ight. - [info]nebbieq, 2006-05-01 12:49 am UTC
Re: also, god, mj is hot a'ight. - [info]skeezix, 2006-05-01 01:07 am UTC
Re: also, god, mj is hot a'ight. - [info]nebbieq, 2006-05-01 03:31 am UTC
Re: also, god, mj is hot a'ight. - (Anonymous), 2006-05-11 08:55 pm UTC

[info]hallidae
2006-04-30 11:46 pm UTC (link)
It Proclaims FNSM #8 as the Return of Uncle Ben!

Congrats, Marvel, you just killed ANY motivation I had for reading the new stuff. Ugh.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-05-11 08:57 pm UTC

[info]lcsbanana
2006-04-30 11:49 pm UTC (link)
well, everyone knows women make men DULL AS DIRT. it's like there's some mystical force about the vagina that sucks all excitement and adventure from a healthy young man. this is a known fact of science and absolutely no reflection whatsoever on overgrown manchildren's inability to conceive of a happy married relationship between a man and a woman that doesn't have creepy and emasculating oedipal overtones.

NO REFLECTION WHATSOEVER.

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[info]mochibuni
2006-05-01 12:05 am UTC (link)
Oh God, that costume.

My first thoughts upon seeing it were, "Glad I'm not part of that fandom" and went back to drawing a drunk Spider-man flying through the air with a beer.

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[info]pipssister
2006-05-01 12:50 am UTC (link)
ACK! Gregatron and his tl;dr! I would have read that for the batshit crazy factor, but he unfortunately couldn't keep a coherent thought going for two minutes. And I read J.R. Fettinger, who will go on for a paragraph or two about how Spider-Man reminds him of this totally relavant instance involving Star Trek, his children and/or his days in college!

I love my status of being in-the-fandom-but-not. I can read the comics, bitch about the creator's dumbness in my LJ and ignore the raging fanboys.

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(Anonymous)
2006-05-01 01:33 am UTC (link)
What's so horrible about Mary Jane?

-silver_magess from lj.

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