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J. Hobag Angstalot ([info]senor_pinata) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-05-15 10:07:00


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Current mood:amused

Moe wank
Recently, manga artist Mimei Sakamoto was quoted in an article in which she basically ripped the hell out of Japan's otaku subculture moe, which is apparently a fetish/love/attraction to certain things in anime, most commonly young, innocent girls. (Eh, just read the wiki and don't yell at me if I don't have this exactly right. I'm familiar with the term but not an expert.)

Over at Anime News Network's forums, people flip out. Responses to the article range from "I have a new hero" to "he intolerance from this lady is quite sad and it's magnified by her elitism and draconian definitions." There are some voices of reason in the mix, but there's also plenty of spooge.

The whole thread is fun, but here are some highlights:

Drawing cute 8-year-old girls is one thing. Drawing cute 8-year-old girls showing their panties is quite another. Any guy who gets a hard-on from that needs to have an M-80 duct-taped to their junk.

I don't know what's more stupid, the writer of the article who claims to be an otaku (when in truth she's just a sad hikikomori who doesn't understand the concept of moe) or the people on this thread who actually agree with her. Why do people comment on things they're completely ignorant of? (oh wait, most people on the internet are stupid)

Suffice it to say that if you think all "normal" anime fans should be watching Eureka Seven, you're more than likely just a bigot who needs to back off and let other people have their own opinions.

If by "pedophile" you mean that I like child pornography, then no. If by "pedophile" you mean I like loli (animated child pornography), then yes, there is some that I like.

If by "nazi" you mean I support a holocaust then no. If by "nazi" you mean that I support an animated holocaust, then yes, I do. Hmmm, I guess that works better when thinking about banging kids. Carry on.

Now this is why I hate when American fans, and especially companies, use the term Otaku. They have no clue what the term natively means or its history. I'm sick of fans who glomp onto these words and don't really know their meaning.


My favorite part is Navak's comment in page 3, in response to the inevitable "can't we get along" plea: With 314 icepicks and 313 people, we sure can get along.




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(Anonymous)
2006-05-15 01:49 pm UTC (link)
Uh oh...not the "is it a crime if it's just drawings?" thing again.

(IMO, it's not a crime if its not real kids, since no one is getting hurt. Still creepy, though...)

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[info]sepiamagpie
2006-05-15 01:49 pm UTC (link)
Aie, my brain. Fuck you, Nabokov. Fuck you.

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-05-15 03:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]perletwo, 2006-05-15 07:19 pm UTC
moe, light of my life, fire of my loins. - (Anonymous), 2006-05-15 10:35 pm UTC

[info]fuzzytowers
2006-05-15 02:23 pm UTC (link)
I really can't see how the Japanese government can be so lax about this serious problem in their country. There are freaking vending machines that sell used four-year old girls' underwear over there! WTF?!

Seriously, does this sound like an Internet Urban Legend to anyone else or is this guy a few matches short of a book?

Now this is why I hate when American fans, and especially companies, use the term Otaku. They have no clue what the term natively means or its history. I'm sick of fans who glomp onto these words and don't really know their meaning.

That's what I was thinking through the entire first three pages of wank.

And my favorite: What is she, the Japanese Ann Coulter?

*face-palm*

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[info]musouka
2006-05-15 02:29 pm UTC (link)
Hey, Sakamoto, you forgot the one about how today's otaku are humorless, thin-skinned idiots.

Moe is the objectification of girls. End of story. The idea doesn't bother me that much, considering these are just cartoon characters and all. But the actual practice of it, despite what many moe-taku would desperately want you to think, IS closely tied to eroticising these same girls (often very young).

If it was just about the cute, you wouldn't have moe-moe~~ Chii doing a strip show every ep or so in Chobits.

Also, probably just because the way it's translated, but I keep reading that first quoted paragraph and cracking up. Then again, I thought the Densha Otoko drama was utterly ridiculous, so...

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I am confused
[info]v_digitalwytch
2006-05-15 02:51 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I thought Otaku were the far end of the anime fandom to the point where they're like the really freaky end of Trek fandom where they dress up in uniform outside of cons and insist they be called by military rank, and I thought Loli was just a fashion thing where they like to dress up in terribly expensive frilly feminine dresses and such.

Where the hell does pedophilia fit in, in all this?

And on a side note, I have seen some sites where they do the fake kid drawings, and with some of them even though you know it's not real, it's still disturbing as all hell. One guy does the child and toddler faeries that unnerved even my jaded self.

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(Anonymous)
2006-05-15 02:55 pm UTC (link)
If by "nazi" you mean I support a holocaust then no. If by "nazi" you mean that I support an animated holocaust, then yes, I do. Hmmm, I guess that works better when thinking about banging kids. Carry on.

WIN. Total, unadulterated, WIN.

Can we post this on fanficrants and see the splooge that arises?

-SeraMouse

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(Anonymous)
2006-05-15 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Man, this is a huge reminder of why I stopped being an anime fan. About 75% of that thread consists of some variant of "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND JAPANESE CULTURE LIKE I DO SO FUCK OFF."

-edgyspice on LJ

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So they're channeling Tom Cruise? - [info]kats_kradle, 2006-05-15 08:47 pm UTC
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