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Envy (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} oh_envy) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} fandom_wank,@ 2006-05-22 10:16:00 |
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Shipping = serious business .... take 1.000.000.000.000 in the HP-fandom
From mousie onwank_report.
prongssr is ”sick of the hypocrisy and the repetitions of ”We just don't like Ginny because she is undeveloped, mean, and spiteful”. and states that people saying: People who hate Ginny don't hate her because of shipping are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!
She quotes several Ginny-bashing lines she found on ARGH on FAB, supporting her argument that:
“You cannot tell me or anyone else with a straight face that most (the great majority) of the anti-HG are not disgruntled shippers. I'm sorry, but this doesn't work anymore. We know (and apparently JKR) knows that this is in fact, true.”
Her conclusion seems to be:
“ It's time for the anti-HG to face the truth; the truth is that you ARE effected by shipping and everyone knows this to be true. It is time to stop whining and admit defeat. [sic] The Ginny hate is a complete waste of time because, if you don't accept Ginny as a positive character and H/G, you are going to have a meltdown after book seven is complete. ”
Of course, a lot of people agree and ”It's completely colored by shipping” is mentioned.
tunxeh chimes in with a rather sane “Well, but correlation ≠ causation — they could prefer other ships because of their dislike for Ginny, rather than vice versa.” and go_back_chief adds in with a good analogy “ You can find correlation between lots of things, if you look for it. For instance, most men have bigger feet than women, and most men also get higher salary than women, so that's a correlation. However, you'd be pretty hard-pressed if you were to argue that men get higher salary because they have bigger feet, or vice versa. ;-)”.
But since it’s HP and shipping, people are bound to disagree with the OP and her ‘you just hate Ginny because of shipping”.musouka_manga asks “ So does that mean the only reason people like Ginny is because Harry wants to do her?”. prongssr replies and the wank is off.
Highlights:
prongssr: “ You don't see HGers starting many threads hoping that Luna or Hermione will die a painful death or turn into death eaters, like we do with Ginny.”
musouka_manga: “ How many of you H/G fans participate(d) in the can't stand H/L or H/Hr threads? I saw plenty of not nice things being said in those threads about the female half of those couples.” and “ It's like once upon time, someone said something mean about Ginny, and H/G fans feel like they have to trot it out every single time she is so much as mentioned in a slightly critical way.”
prongssr: ” The problem with this is that the majority of people who dislike Ginny, prefer another Harry ship. There is a correlation between the two.”
musouka_manga: ” And how do you know that there is a direct correlation between the two? Can you read their minds? Have you done polls or studies? Or have you glanced at a couple of threads and started making assumptions as to why people dislike something?”
prongssr: “ I've been in fandom a lot longer than you have and I've spent a great deal time debating with opposing shippers, so, yes...these ”studies” come from direct experience and reading these sentiments over and over again.” and “when you've read hundreds of posts over the years, by the same group of people, who've expressed these sentiments...”
musouka_manga: “If they're only by the same people, then, no, you DON'T know what the majority thinks.”
drummer31 thinks: “However, it is hard to find sane logical arguments against Ginny.”
Aaaaaand,mouse68 wants everyone to know that she/he knows statistics! “ 90% of the Ginnyhate comes from H/L and H/Hr shippers.
The other 10% seems to people who have a basic misunderstanding of her character without the bias of shipping”
sterling_95 was on the verge of having a good point, until she/he invoked ‘it’s just like politics!’
And I have no idea whattehfudgie is doing.
ETA: Fixed the embarrassing misspelling ofwank_report
ETA-ETA:prongssr is made aware of the FW-post by gilyann.
gilyann: "This are the people who think that are so high above everyone else that they get to determined what is right or wrong. In other words they are quickly becoming the bullies of fanon."
"I have long gotten the point of why Harmonians are freaking tired of the shit. Sure we all talked about the oppossing ship or shippers in our LJ's locked entries. I'm not going to lie and say that I don't comment on them, because me, you and the entire world is going to know that I'm lying. But the harping on everyone's life is just freaky already! Don't people have a life? Isn't this whole damn thing a fucking damn HOBBY FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Why the fuck do people take this shit so fucking serious!"
"I know fredom of speach was created if they don't like it all that they have to do is ignore it."
And last but not least, my own personal favourite "So freedom of speech gave FW the right to humilate people and act like they are better than the rest of us.". Now, it might just be me interrogating the text from the wrong perspective, but it's alright for FW to mock Harmonians, but we're being unfair and ZOMG-opress0rz when it's about someone else?
ETA-ETA-ETA: Mousie with attitude shows up to blameestrella (yeah... I've got nothing.) and explain what gilyann really meant.
From mousie on
wank_report.prongssr is ”sick of the hypocrisy and the repetitions of ”We just don't like Ginny because she is undeveloped, mean, and spiteful”. and states that people saying: People who hate Ginny don't hate her because of shipping are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!She quotes several Ginny-bashing lines she found on ARGH on FAB, supporting her argument that:
“You cannot tell me or anyone else with a straight face that most (the great majority) of the anti-HG are not disgruntled shippers. I'm sorry, but this doesn't work anymore. We know (and apparently JKR) knows that this is in fact, true.”
Her conclusion seems to be:
“ It's time for the anti-HG to face the truth; the truth is that you ARE effected by shipping and everyone knows this to be true. It is time to stop whining and admit defeat. [sic] The Ginny hate is a complete waste of time because, if you don't accept Ginny as a positive character and H/G, you are going to have a meltdown after book seven is complete. ”
Of course, a lot of people agree and ”It's completely colored by shipping” is mentioned.
tunxeh chimes in with a rather sane “Well, but correlation ≠ causation — they could prefer other ships because of their dislike for Ginny, rather than vice versa.” and go_back_chief adds in with a good analogy “ You can find correlation between lots of things, if you look for it. For instance, most men have bigger feet than women, and most men also get higher salary than women, so that's a correlation. However, you'd be pretty hard-pressed if you were to argue that men get higher salary because they have bigger feet, or vice versa. ;-)”.But since it’s HP and shipping, people are bound to disagree with the OP and her ‘you just hate Ginny because of shipping”.
musouka_manga asks “ So does that mean the only reason people like Ginny is because Harry wants to do her?”. prongssr replies and the wank is off. Highlights:
prongssr: “ You don't see HGers starting many threads hoping that Luna or Hermione will die a painful death or turn into death eaters, like we do with Ginny.”musouka_manga: “ How many of you H/G fans participate(d) in the can't stand H/L or H/Hr threads? I saw plenty of not nice things being said in those threads about the female half of those couples.” and “ It's like once upon time, someone said something mean about Ginny, and H/G fans feel like they have to trot it out every single time she is so much as mentioned in a slightly critical way.”prongssr: ” The problem with this is that the majority of people who dislike Ginny, prefer another Harry ship. There is a correlation between the two.”musouka_manga: ” And how do you know that there is a direct correlation between the two? Can you read their minds? Have you done polls or studies? Or have you glanced at a couple of threads and started making assumptions as to why people dislike something?”prongssr: “ I've been in fandom a lot longer than you have and I've spent a great deal time debating with opposing shippers, so, yes...these ”studies” come from direct experience and reading these sentiments over and over again.” and “when you've read hundreds of posts over the years, by the same group of people, who've expressed these sentiments...”musouka_manga: “If they're only by the same people, then, no, you DON'T know what the majority thinks.”drummer31 thinks: “However, it is hard to find sane logical arguments against Ginny.”Aaaaaand,
mouse68 wants everyone to know that she/he knows statistics! “ 90% of the Ginnyhate comes from H/L and H/Hr shippers.The other 10% seems to people who have a basic misunderstanding of her character without the bias of shipping”
sterling_95 was on the verge of having a good point, until she/he invoked ‘it’s just like politics!’And I have no idea what
tehfudgie is doing.ETA: Fixed the embarrassing misspelling of
wank_reportETA-ETA:
prongssr is made aware of the FW-post by gilyann. gilyann: "This are the people who think that are so high above everyone else that they get to determined what is right or wrong. In other words they are quickly becoming the bullies of fanon.""I have long gotten the point of why Harmonians are freaking tired of the shit. Sure we all talked about the oppossing ship or shippers in our LJ's locked entries. I'm not going to lie and say that I don't comment on them, because me, you and the entire world is going to know that I'm lying. But the harping on everyone's life is just freaky already! Don't people have a life? Isn't this whole damn thing a fucking damn HOBBY FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! Why the fuck do people take this shit so fucking serious!"
"I know fredom of speach was created if they don't like it all that they have to do is ignore it."
And last but not least, my own personal favourite "So freedom of speech gave FW the right to humilate people and act like they are better than the rest of us.". Now, it might just be me interrogating the text from the wrong perspective, but it's alright for FW to mock Harmonians, but we're being unfair and ZOMG-opress0rz when it's about someone else?
ETA-ETA-ETA: Mousie with attitude shows up to blame
estrella (yeah... I've got nothing.) and explain what gilyann really meant.
