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BFR ([info]belafarinrod) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-06-02 00:02:00


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Me and my ten selves are all very upset about this, you know.
(note: this is a pretty tangled wank that goes back a while. so if you have more links, do share them)

Where to start? This is centered around the japanese band Moi dix mois. They began venturing outside of Japan last year, with a visit to Europe and returned this spring.
European fans = happy
American fans = jealous, but expectant that their turn will come sooner or later.

Enter Batsu.org (site runs r-e-a-l-l-y slowly at the moment), a forum for discussing japanese rock music. They also used to have a download area, but this is maybe gone? Anyway, you will see references to this throughout the wank.

The owner of Batsu opens up something called Batsu Entertainment and announces that, finally, Moi dix mois are coming to the US! Yay!

...only not. Because the fanclub members haven't been informed, and everyone who knows anything knows that this is a great crime and injustice. Also, Mana (band leader, see my icon) can be a twitchy little guitarist and if it's not done his way, it's not done at all, so fans fret.

Some quotes from the scape.us forums:
The batsu-ent.com website is apparently owned by a fellow named "Warp Forge", who has an email address boasting about his hacking abilities. It doesn't inspire confidence, if you know what I mean.

Oh, I can sure judge Batsu. But that's because I've looked at it over a period of two years or so and so I know how it is there. It's a bunch of blithering, disrespectful idiots. I know there are intelligent people there, but on the whole it's not a place (I know it's not with the forum, but by extension it is) I would think of Mana affiliating himself with.

True fans know that Mana is too pristine for the americas...

But basically it was the same thing as Dir en grey coming over; I'm afraid of them becoming the victims to those claiming to be otaku, just because they're Japanese & Mana's pretty well known at Anime conventions.
I also believe that the U.S. is very unfitting for Mana-sama's image... Many would disagree with me for this.. but I really don't want to start anything, so allow me just to say that we'll all think what we like.^^;;


And then some members start talking about flaming and trolling the Batsu forums, because there's only retarded fangirls there. Or something. Since this goes on for 23 pages, with some occasional squee from the newbies, I can't be arsed to go through it all.

Then one day the news are GONE! Nobody knows what is going on any longer and people start to get annoyed. Are M10M coming or not?

Everyone waits, get more annoyed and demands some damn answers was going to be a link, but that thread appears to be deleted from the Batsu forum. Oh well

Until, finally, it is revealed from both the official fanclub and other sources that Moi dix mois is indeed on their way! Celebrations, yes?
...not quite.

First of all, Batsu Ent. has inexplainably morphed into Nofuture.biz. But with the same IP. Uhm, yes.

Reactions are divided, to say the least. Some people jump with joy, others keep on with the Batsu/Nofuture hate.

And others are just suspicious that there's something wrong... they have their reasons.
I suggest not lying about bands touring D:
EXAMPLE: Moi Dix Mois tickets were supposed to go on sale on Ticketmaster at 5pm today. I just checked Ticketmaster at about 3pm, and ALL the Moi Dix Mois tour info had vanished.
I find that VERY fishy. And it makes me angry.


And then, to top it off the entire shiznit is CANCELLED!
The Batsu reaction.
The Scape reaction
Lolitasnap

Expect more wank to come, and maybe the Batsu owner will even try to defend himself?

Hey, from my side of the ocean, this is really fascinating. And I thought NeoTokyo were shitty at organizing japanese concerts. I take it all back

To sum it up:
The guy who owns Batsu is either incompetent or a scammer. The elitist bitches people from Scape are pissed at him and his board. The annoying newbies people on the Batsu forums are angry at Scape, Batsu and, soon enough, their non-refundable travel tickets. Everyone wanks.

Mana is probably also miffed at someone but don't ask me who.


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[info]khym_chanur
2006-06-02 01:10 am UTC (link)
Batsu.org

Batsu Shito Kureizi?

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[info]mmanurere
2006-06-02 01:45 am UTC (link)
Win.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-06-02 02:49 am UTC
(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-02 04:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jira, 2006-06-02 05:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2006-06-02 10:18 pm UTC

[info]hickorydickory
2006-06-02 01:11 am UTC (link)
I also believe that the U.S. is very unfitting for Mana-sama's image.

Is it because we have curly fries? It's the curly fries, isn't it.

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(no subject) - [info]skewed_tartan, 2006-06-02 04:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]justicepeckham, 2006-06-02 04:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]catslash, 2006-06-02 06:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kami, 2006-06-02 08:26 pm UTC

[info]nlb_muffin
2006-06-02 01:34 am UTC (link)
Sorry, but every time I see "Mana," all I think is:

Mahna Mahna
Do doo be-do-do
Mahna Mahna
Do do-do do
Mahna Mahna
Do doo be-do-do be-do-do be-do-do be-do-do-doodle do do do-doo do!

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Mine is an evil laugh. - [info]hanncoll, 2006-06-02 01:52 am UTC
Re: Mine is an evil laugh. - [info]wrongly_amused, 2006-06-02 03:11 am UTC
Re: Mine is an evil laugh. - [info]slackerbitch, 2006-06-02 04:27 am UTC
Re: Mine is an evil laugh. - [info]wrongly_amused, 2006-06-02 04:51 am UTC
Re: Mine is an evil laugh. - [info]kittenmommy, 2006-06-02 06:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dark_puck, 2006-06-02 02:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]justicepeckham, 2006-06-02 04:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]thepiratequeen, 2006-06-02 05:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]justicepeckham, 2006-06-02 04:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-06-02 04:22 pm UTC

[info]zinkchan
2006-06-02 01:59 am UTC (link)
But basically it was the same thing as Dir en grey coming over; I'm afraid of them becoming the victims to those claiming to be otaku, just because they're Japanese & Mana's pretty well known at Anime conventions.

So, I'm not a true Dir en Grey fan because I'm acutally looking forward to their American tour? Despite the fact that I've been a fan for 4 years, before I got really into anime?

While they have point about them becoming popular just because people like things that are Japanese, but being eliteist about it and saying "No! MINE!" when it comes to the possiblity of new fans make them seem very stupid.

In other words: Bitch, Please.

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WORD. - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-02 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladysphinx, 2006-06-02 03:57 am UTC
Fine by me! - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-02 03:59 am UTC
Re: WORD. - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-02 08:34 am UTC
Re: WORD. - pink_lightning, 2006-06-02 10:07 am UTC
Re: WORD. - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-02 10:41 am UTC
Re: WORD. - [info]kami, 2006-06-02 08:28 pm UTC
Re: WORD. - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-02 09:42 pm UTC
Re: WORD. - [info]kami, 2006-06-02 10:08 pm UTC
Re: WORD. - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-03 12:07 am UTC
Re: WORD. - [info]antigone, 2006-06-02 05:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sokudoningyou, 2006-06-02 10:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-02 10:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 11:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-02 12:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 12:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-02 01:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 01:59 pm UTC

[info]hooverdam
2006-06-02 02:10 am UTC (link)
TOO MANY TILDES

Y'know, if they were coming near here and ticket prices were under about $25, I'd have gone just for the curiosity factor.

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oh yeah, and
[info]hooverdam
2006-06-02 02:11 am UTC (link)
A j-rock band involved with a shady US promoter? You don't say.

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Re: oh yeah, and - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 11:44 am UTC
Re: oh yeah, and - [info]jadedphyre, 2006-06-06 09:08 pm UTC

[info]antigone
2006-06-02 02:19 am UTC (link)
How can it be a scam to get fans' money if they sold the tickets through ticketmaster*? I know one of the only instances ever that tm will give a refund is due to a canceled concert.

*insert your ticketmaster is a scam joke here.

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(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 11:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]antigone, 2006-06-02 05:41 pm UTC

[info]mistal
2006-06-02 02:25 am UTC (link)
Moi Dix Mois tickets were supposed to go on sale on Ticketmaster at 5pm today. I just checked Ticketmaster at about 3pm, and ALL the Moi Dix Mois tour info had vanished.
I find that VERY fishy. And it makes me angry.



So fishy that at 8:23pm, they sold for 41$.

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[info]sashenka
2006-06-02 02:26 am UTC (link)
Mana-sama's image
Buh. Mana-Sama? I'm sorry, I don't worship the musicians I like. (The only time I've EVER used -Sama is when I was roleplaying a very old Japanese vampire and she was refering to her Sire. Wait, that sounded awful... >_> I should be slapped) Something tells me this person IS one of *those* otaku that these people are complaining about. They obviously don't speak Japanese and they're trying to use honorifics in English for no reason. I'm fine with people using it as a joke, but come on...

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(no subject) - [info]yattara, 2006-06-02 03:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2006-06-02 03:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2006-06-02 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lucky13, 2006-06-02 06:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2006-06-03 03:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lucky13, 2006-06-03 07:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2006-06-03 07:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2006-06-03 03:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yattara, 2006-06-02 04:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2006-06-02 09:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yattara, 2006-06-02 04:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2006-06-02 04:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]linadarkstar, 2006-06-02 07:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2006-06-02 07:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]linadarkstar, 2006-06-02 07:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2006-06-02 07:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]linadarkstar, 2006-06-02 11:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 11:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lucky13, 2006-06-02 06:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kami, 2006-06-02 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]drhenryjekyll, 2006-06-05 06:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kami, 2006-06-05 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]drhenryjekyll, 2006-06-06 05:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kami, 2006-06-06 08:23 am UTC

[info]tehrin
2006-06-02 02:35 am UTC (link)
That is a whole pile of wank. As someone who used to be really into J-Rock about five years ago, I feel ashamed that I completely forgot Mana was in a different band now.

The only thing that could make the wank more crazy is if the fans were told they would becoming to an anime or Japan convention since unfortunately, that's the only way some people know about Japanese bands.

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(no subject) - [info]sokudoningyou, 2006-06-02 10:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2006-06-03 04:03 am UTC

[info]darth_wanker
2006-06-02 02:47 am UTC (link)
The manasama and cult_of_mana communities got a poster telling us to email hatemail to ... someone. The tour promoter? Owner of one of these sites? I dunno, but BNF mistoline has tried putting the smackdown on it telling us we all know nothing and are just as bad as whoever the bad guy is here.

Wheeeeeee Mana fans.

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[info]puipui
2006-06-02 02:52 am UTC (link)
Me and my ten selves are all very upset about this, you know.

Damn you for making me picture Mana as the next Doctor. DAMN YOU!

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(no subject) - sharonapple, 2006-06-02 03:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hyaenid, 2006-06-02 05:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-06-02 06:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-02 08:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 11:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]banban, 2006-06-02 04:13 pm UTC

sharonapple
2006-06-02 02:59 am UTC (link)
I also believe that the U.S. is very unfitting for Mana-sama's image... Many would disagree with me for this.. but I really don't want to start anything, so allow me just to say that we'll all think what we like.^^;;

"OH NOES, the U.S. is so very dirty and uncouth! We wouldn't want Mana's immaculate makeup to be besmirched with uncouth, NORTH AMERICAN, germmmms. And the smiley sweatdrop face automatically makes me cute and non-offensive, so DON'T YOU DARE DISAGREE WITH ME!!11?!"

Oh those elitist "JAPAN IS SO PURE AND PERFECT" fans. They alternately amuse and annoy me.

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(no subject) - [info]saintedsin, 2006-06-02 06:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]antigone, 2006-06-02 05:46 pm UTC
Hey. . .
tsuzukilove
2006-06-02 03:52 am UTC (link)
I'm wondering when Gackt will come to the US. Hyde, Laruku, and DeG have, so we can always hope.

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Re: Hey. . . - [info]darth_wanker, 2006-06-02 04:08 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-02 04:24 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]kami, 2006-06-02 11:41 pm UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]azhidahaki, 2006-06-02 06:14 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]lucky13, 2006-06-02 06:51 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]heddychaa, 2006-06-02 10:43 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]heddychaa, 2006-06-02 10:45 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 11:48 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]kami, 2006-06-02 11:40 pm UTC
Re: Hey. . . - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-03 12:11 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]kami, 2006-06-03 12:20 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-03 12:42 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]kami, 2006-06-03 12:44 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-03 12:45 am UTC
Re: Hey. . . - [info]tehrin, 2006-06-03 04:05 am UTC

[info]darthmaligna
2006-06-02 04:18 am UTC (link)
I was planning on taking my younger sister to this thing, and let me tell you that I could see this coming a mile away. The lack of any sort of reliable or timely information about any of the shows on the tour kind of sent up a red flag for me.

But I won't say that I wasn't looking forward to it anyway. I don't listen to Mana personally, but it was going to be An Interesting Cultural Experience. And I feel bad for my sister. She's actually more of a K-rock fan, though, so at least her disappointment won't be the soul-crushing kind she'd go through if, say, Seo Taiji cancelled an anticipated American tour.

In any case, somebody needs to point out to these Otaku Utopians that just because Japan's societal problems involve things like used panties and historical glorification of suicide doesn't mean that they are any less serious than the States'. It's seriously bad form to invite yourself over to another country's glass house to throw stones at your own.

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[info]rogue
2006-06-02 04:37 am UTC (link)
I'm miffed. More than that. I'm out $115.

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(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 11:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rogue, 2006-06-02 11:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 11:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]antigone, 2006-06-02 05:50 pm UTC

[info]musouka
2006-06-02 06:17 am UTC (link)
I'm not quite sure what's going on here, but it does suck that people are out of money and they won't get to see a band they like.

And hey, don't worry! I'm an anime fan with zero interest in this Mana-sama guy, so you don't have to fear that I'll corrupt him with my otaku mind powers or whatever it is I'm supposed to do that will taint his glorious image...

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(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-06-02 06:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]musouka, 2006-06-02 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zinkchan, 2006-06-02 08:30 am UTC
(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-03 12:13 am UTC

[info]bremencitygirl
2006-06-02 04:22 pm UTC (link)
OT, but..
Don't we know each other? *waves*
;)

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(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 04:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bremencitygirl, 2006-06-02 08:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 09:32 pm UTC

[info]hickorydickory
2006-06-02 07:10 pm UTC (link)
Also? Look on the bright side, wankers. At least your band hasn't broken up.

*weeps for Pierrot*

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(no subject) - [info]kami, 2006-06-02 08:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]els_chan, 2006-06-03 09:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]minuette, 2006-06-04 10:36 pm UTC

[info]ari_o
2006-06-02 08:25 pm UTC (link)
Wow, he (band leader guy) looks so much like Siouxsie Sioux.

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(no subject) - [info]kami, 2006-06-02 08:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2006-06-02 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladysphinx, 2006-06-02 08:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2006-06-02 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]magistera, 2006-06-03 09:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2006-06-03 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bobgenghiskhan, 2006-06-03 04:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2006-06-03 06:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bobgenghiskhan, 2006-06-03 02:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2006-06-03 08:15 pm UTC

[info]kami
2006-06-02 08:25 pm UTC (link)
Figured this would end up here eventually. I tried to track down all the wank simply to figure out wtf was going on... but found too much to manage. So thank you muchly for recap :D

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(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-02 09:32 pm UTC

[info]glossing2
2006-06-03 04:45 am UTC (link)
All I know about underground Japanese subcultures I learned at f_w. *grain of salt*

That said, isn't Mana also one of the big designers of Gothic Lolita...stuff?

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(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-04 09:46 pm UTC

[info]els_chan
2006-06-03 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Mana is probably also miffed at someone but don't ask me who.

This made me crack up.
And it's probably his vocalist of the week. Oh, now I feel bad...

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(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-04 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]belafarinrod, 2006-06-04 11:00 pm UTC
I would if I had the money. - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-04 11:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]els_chan, 2006-06-04 11:40 pm UTC

[info]simkin_mouse
2006-06-04 06:43 pm UTC (link)
...man, I'm only used to ogling anime and wondering whether the char's a s/h/it - this Mana and Gackt seem prone on bringing the tendency to RL.

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