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Ryan Skywalker ([info]april_hurst) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-06-15 12:08:00


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No RPing incest without getting permission from EVERY player! BRPS wank.
Here was the clairvoyantwank report but it (eta: the original wank, not the clairvoyant post) exploded to over 250 comments.

On BRPS, there is wank.

the_unvictim posts a rant on bad_rpers_suck about reading RP logs and finding incest. In addition to ranting about the lack of warnings (which isn't wanky), there was this:

When you're checking logs for an RP, and suddenly, two brothers are fucking
I'm sorry, but that is not okay
I don't care if one of you is a mod, or both of you, that needs to be run by the whole RP


The WHOLE RP? And with all the rants about people who don't log in for a month, how exactly would that work?

Incest is not cool, it is not sexy
It is sick, and upsetting for alot of people


That'll go over well. *nods* Surprisingly, it was sane for quite awhile, with many of the first comments agreeing that not labeling such an RP thread is wrong, but that the content isn't the problem; it was that it wasn't labeled properly. However...


coyotesong doesn't see anything wrong with the request,
starting out with First of, to divinecomedy how childish can you be? What's with the posting pointlessly and retarded; do you have that little attention in real life that you feel compelled to be an annoying goit over the net? Trust me, no one cares about you here either. What's a goit? Is that more like gout or more like goiter?

coyotesong and divinecomedy get into it a bit there; apparently divinecomedy thought the wank was about hir, or something, but it couldn't have been because s/he labeled. ?

the_unvictim shares her thoughts on yaoi, but at least it's mighty short.

Some of the first long subthreads are TL;DR and not really wanky, mostly people being a bit snarky and straying from the topic. The winners are towards the bottom of Page One (and that may change as Page Two isn't full, who knows?)


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[info]musouka
2006-06-15 07:37 pm UTC (link)
While I think running it by all the players is a bit much, it probably wouldn't hurt to post warnings so that people like myself, who find incest majorly squicky, will know to avoid.

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[info]ara
2006-06-15 07:46 pm UTC (link)
DAMNIT! Beaten to it!

I have to know though, do we have a law about the longer an argument about a subject (rape, incest, child abuse, etc.) in a fiction medium (fanfiction, movies, RPs, etc.) that may or may not be acceptable by normative standards lasts, the more likely a person in the argument will state that they have had personal experience with this subject in the real world?

Because it seems like every time something like that gets argued, one of these posts shows up.

I'd totally check the Fandom Wank Wiki by the way, but it appears to be down.

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[info]bronzed
2006-06-15 09:40 pm UTC (link)
haha i love how that person says it wasnt immaturity that ruined their poly relationship, then talks about all the immature shit that tore it to shreds.

rofl!!!

best comment in the whole batch, imo

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(no subject) - [info]ilpalazzo, 2006-06-15 09:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]omnicrom, 2006-06-15 09:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ilpalazzo, 2006-06-15 10:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]toph, 2006-06-15 10:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ilpalazzo, 2006-06-15 10:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]toph, 2006-06-16 12:56 am UTC
(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-16 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]runrunmarch, 2006-06-16 02:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]scootermcgaffin, 2006-06-16 03:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-06-16 07:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]felinephoenix, 2006-06-16 07:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mastervex, 2006-06-16 07:48 am UTC
(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-16 12:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2006-06-16 04:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-06-16 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]heddychaa, 2006-06-16 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-06-16 09:09 am UTC

[info]zyna_kat
2006-06-15 09:52 pm UTC (link)
one of these posts shows up

Whoa, TMI. T.M.I.

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[info]antimatterspork
2006-06-15 10:21 pm UTC (link)
I'd totally check the Fandom Wank Wiki by the way, but it appears to be down.

Does this mean the Wiki is no longer Robust?

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(no subject) - [info]ara, 2006-06-15 11:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skewed_tartan, 2006-06-16 01:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ara, 2006-06-16 05:05 am UTC

[info]heddychaa
2006-06-16 05:00 am UTC (link)
I'm guilty of that, though not in the grocery list of details way she did it. Generally, I bring it up if my experience is asked for, or if I think my experience might shed some light on the conversation. Never to lend credence to myself in an argument or get pity. To be honest, it's kind of a part of who I am as a person, same as having a nurse for a mother. It gets mentioned. =P

Of course, the only times I don't mention it when I'm talking about the subject are the times that people are all "you wouldn't feel that way if you WERE raped!" and then I have to whip out the handy "bitch please!" and my rape cred card.

But the main assumption of my own is: most nobody cares about what may or may not have happened in my past, so if you mention it, at least leave the big dramatic sob story out of it. There's a time and a place for that sort of thing, and it's called "support comm". Or my therapist's. But you know.

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[info]vigilanterodent
2006-06-15 07:52 pm UTC (link)
My game has strict rules about rape -- no using it in a character history as a plot point, etc. -- and the only reason I have no matching rules about incest is because nobody has yet been stupid enough to tempt fate in that fashion.

If people want to work out their dank little psychological problems on their own, that's fine, but this isn't the place for it.


NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO ENJOY WORKING OUT THEIR DANK LITTLE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS WITH OTHER PEOPLE, OMG OBEEEEEEEEY!

Seriously, definitely not a person whose games I would want to participate in.

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[info]musouka
2006-06-15 07:56 pm UTC (link)
Uh, she just said that she didn't want it in her RP, not that OMG YOU CAN NEVER DISCUSS INCEST AND/OR RAPE EVA!!!!!11!!

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(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2006-06-15 08:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]musouka, 2006-06-15 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vigilanterodent, 2006-06-15 08:31 pm UTC

[info]heddychaa
2006-06-16 05:03 am UTC (link)
I think it's a rather ridiculous rule, but it's her game. My own opinion on it is: yeah, it's easy to do it basly, so uh.. be more selective about your players, then. Also, approve of backstories before hand. It's stupid to outlaw it completely because, hello? Rape happens. if you're going for realism in a game, then somebody's gonna git or been git raped.

I apologize for my english in the previous sentence.

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[info]hallidae
2006-06-15 08:15 pm UTC (link)
So...BRPS is the new FFR?

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[info]seiberwing
2006-06-15 08:48 pm UTC (link)
I hope so. FFR has had enough wankage for one internet lifetime.

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(no subject) - [info]fourth_impact, 2006-06-15 09:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-06-15 09:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]faultypremise, 2006-06-16 05:59 pm UTC

[info]napoleon
2006-06-16 08:38 am UTC (link)
I thought FFR was the new BRPS.

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[info]drazzi
2006-06-15 08:34 pm UTC (link)
You can only call someone an "annoying goit" if you're Arnold Rimmer, damnit. No one else can get away with it.

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(no subject) - [info]out_bottle, 2006-06-15 09:11 pm UTC

[info]skarrow
2006-06-15 09:06 pm UTC (link)
....in my current RP, the Pevensies were having angsty kissy shag sessions all over the setting. They just put up warnings, and everything was fine. It doesn't take a village to watch siblings screw, man.

*shakes head*

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-06-16 08:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2006-06-16 08:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-06-17 09:24 am UTC

[info]ladysphinx
2006-06-15 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Generally, the "rule" for RP porn, be it incestuous or not, is to a) take it to a private thread/email, or b) label the thread so that there can be no mistake about the yummy naughty goodness contained therein. At least that was the common courtesy amongst most of my old games.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-06-15 09:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladysphinx, 2006-06-15 10:01 pm UTC

[info]haunted
2006-06-15 11:20 pm UTC (link)
Does anyone else remember thedevinecomedy and her partner-in-spam being involved in wank before? I'm certain that mass-posting thing happened back then, too, and I think it had something to do with...leaving an RPG? Starting a new one? Something like that.

All in the interests of...nah, don't even have an excuse. Just wanna point and laugh some more.

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(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-06-16 07:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2006-06-16 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]haunted, 2006-06-16 09:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2006-06-16 09:38 pm UTC
What's with all the incest rage?
tsuzukilove
2006-06-16 12:21 am UTC (link)
I honestly don't get it. Right now, I'm being trolled by some idiots with no lives because I've *gaspshockhorror* written twincest in my fandom (though I haven't written or posted any for around five months or so). Despite a major point of the series I had been writing until then being that the incest had unintended consequences and was unhealthy for both parts of the couple, these trolls are still on me for writing "incest rape in all my fics," and accusing me of being involved in incest in real life.

Some people need to drink a gallon of STFU.

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Re: What's with all the incest rage? - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-16 12:22 am UTC
Re: What's with all the incest rage? - [info]seiberwing, 2006-06-16 03:27 am UTC
Re: What's with all the incest rage? - tsuzukilove, 2006-06-16 05:44 am UTC
Re: What's with all the incest rage? - [info]seiberwing, 2006-06-16 05:47 am UTC

[info]drhenryjekyll
2006-06-16 12:54 am UTC (link)
Dude. Icon.

*scared*

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[info]aerobot
2006-06-16 05:30 am UTC (link)
I think some people have a problem seperating 'your problem' from 'everyone's problem'. Having a squick is absolutely YOUR PROBLEM.

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[info]priestesspadfoo
2006-06-16 07:18 am UTC (link)
OK, I've only played offline RPGs, but having to run every liaison and/or plot point would have ruined the whole game for me. Not to mention that everyone in our gaming group would have met the suggestion with, "Um, NO!"

On the other hand, that rule might have saved me from an in-game bukkake experience... nah. It was still fun.

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(no subject) - [info]stopthatgirl7, 2006-06-16 11:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]priestesspadfoo, 2006-06-27 09:15 am UTC

[info]magma9
2006-06-16 10:18 am UTC (link)
I love the creative spelling in the original post. "incsensative" and no periods.

"But I have to throw my hands up and say 'guilty' here. I play the unwilling target of an unrequited twincestual obsession. (It's canon, baby. Don't blame me, blame Joss Whedon.) It's not just a normal OMG TWU LUV between people who happen to be twins, it's a symptom of the brother's condition, and he couldn't be IC without playing that part of him."

What twins is s/he talking about? Was that plot from one of the seasons of Angel I didn't watch? I'm mentally running a list of possibilities from Joss' oeuvre and coming up all Fanty and Mingo. I guess Mingo agrees that Fanty's prettier.

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(no subject) - [info]airawyn, 2006-06-17 07:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]magma9, 2006-06-17 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonon, 2006-06-18 12:07 pm UTC

[info]toxictattoo
2006-06-16 04:29 pm UTC (link)
You know, I understand being blindsided by the sex when reading RP logs. All kinds of reasons to appropriately label logs for the unwary.

And, to a certain extent, I see gathering up those involved in any event, and touching base with those other players who might have some fallout due to RPing a certain scene/plot. It's only courtesy to at least help those other players whose characters could conceivably end up dragged into a plot scenario due to the IC reactions their characters would have, either come up with a plausible IC reason to not get involved or even realize that the original plot might have larger implications than first realized and should be rethought.

That said, I still take issue with this comment.

When you're checking logs for an RP, and suddenly, two brothers are fucking I'm sorry, but that is not okay I don't care if one of you is a mod, or both of you, that needs to be run by the whole RP

Um. No. On all kinds of levels, no. They do not need to run incest (or any kind of sex) by the entire RP. That's assinine to even suggest it and puts all kinds of restrictions and dampers on RP. And unless it was set up that way from the beginning? No.

You will end up bogging the entire game down if you have to get the approval of every single character in a game before proceeding with anything.

It is possible to have sex and have it stay between two people, not involving any other character in the game. Just because two people are shagging, it is not any one else's business they are. (Sort of like...real life. Imagine that.)

Why didn't the player just go to the players involved and say "Dude, this development? First...label please and second, please try to not let my character catch wind of it. It will be all kinds of ugly and I don't want to put my character through that nor do I want to have to twist my character OOC just to deal with it."

Simple. Or so I thought.

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[sighs] - [info]toxictattoo, 2006-06-16 04:32 pm UTC

[info]chibicurmudgeon
2006-06-16 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Wait...who's the bad roleplayer again?

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[info]sarajayechan
2006-06-16 08:05 pm UTC (link)
Players can log whatever the hell they want as long as they label anything that needs labeling.

As for her thoughts on yaoi? My fault for making a joke she obviouisly wouldn't get. :P

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(no subject) - [info]ruby_tuesday, 2006-06-16 09:46 pm UTC

[info]snarkbunny
2006-06-16 08:07 pm UTC (link)
Hummm... in one game I was in, I was playing the OOC alternate reality version of a canon character - and since all the doujinshi I've ever seen the poor guy in involves him molesting the little boy he canonically took in when he was like 16 or 17...? I decided the OOC version would be a creepy pervy molester type, because I can't think of anything that would be more OOC for him. Definitely did not want to actually RP any molestation scenes, however, and all in all the guy was less offensive than, say, Muraki in YnM - possibly more like the Count :D - but I did run it by the players first, just cause. You know. Child molester character mostly for disturbing comic relief is not the most politically correct thing. It just seemed like the right thing to do, making sure everyone was okay with something that tasteless.

Incest, though... I dunno, when it's just a matter of characters whose personality and actions seem to be normal - oh wait when they're having sex it's with a relative - even if it's squicky, it's only one small aspect of the character. Or at least I hope it is. If incest was the entire reason for the character to be there and they'd be shoving it in people's faces constantly, then... yeah, maybe it should be run by everyone. Of course, players who play characters whose entire existence revolves around the sex scenes they want to do? That would be an excuse to post about it on BRPS. ;)

But otherwise, it's between the players of the two (or more?) characters involved, really. Just label. There's plenty of non-incestuous smut RP in games I've been in that I didn't read because really, the pairing was too weird for me. Or too boring, which is worse.

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