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hangingfire ([info]hangingfire) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-06-27 12:51:00


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Entry tags:comics, person: alan moore

John Byrne: If you've bought Alan Moore's Lost Girls, you're an asshole.
So. Alan Moore and Melinda Gebbie's Lost Girls, FTNITK, is a work of comics pornography (their choice of word) some sixteen years in the making. Top Shelf Comics is releasing the three-volume, slipcased complete edition later this summer. August, to be exact.

Already, I'm getting sick of the wank[*] over this thing, which has pretty much been up and down the comics blogosphere for the last month or so, but which seems to be reaching a fever pitch as publication draws nearer.

There are a couple of major angles to the fapping, which I'll try to sum up here. First is that it's about Wendy from Peter Pan, Alice from Alice in Wonderland, and Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz meeting as adults at an Austrian hotel just before WWI breaks out, where they talk about sex, remember sexual events in their lives, and have sex. Second is that some of said erotic flashbacks involve scenes of the characters as adolescents under 18. Third is that the Great Ormond Street Hospital, which holds the British copyright to Peter Pan, is, as you might imagine, in a twist.

All of these elements and more are covered in this discussion on John Byrne's forum, in which, among lots of other things, you will find this:

Dave Farabee: Got my copy on order. Looking forward to it more than any other comic in quite some time.

John Byrne: Then you are a complete asshole.

Good times.

(Full disclosure: By Byrne's assessment, I too am a "complete asshole". I ordered my signed and numbered copy from Top Shelf almost exactly a year ago. Yes, I am something of a Moore fangirl.)


[*] I also feel compelled to add that anyone engaging in literal wank over this book had better have a sturdy bedside lectern. The volumes, by all account, are quite weighty and not exactly one-handed reading.



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[info]madmouth
2006-06-27 08:15 pm UTC (link)
for what it could be, this wank is keeping itself remarkably laced-up.

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[info]kami
2006-06-27 08:18 pm UTC (link)
John Byrne: Then you are a complete asshole.

That's some logic there. A guy reading/viewing porn = asshole. Wake up call JB that is every man with access to the internet and many without. I'm also guessing that JB has his moments as well. But hey lets point the finger at others anyways. That is always funner.

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[info]mindset
2006-06-27 08:22 pm UTC (link)
Every time I see you post, I always do a double-take. Despite knowing better. Damn.

Confession time: I too, am a Moore fangirl, yet I really have no interest in this comic except in an academic way. Normally I'm all behind his explorations of the archetypical characters of Victorian and post-Victorian literature and other tl;dr, but not in this case. Oh, he can do anything he wants, but I don't want to read it. Perhaps it's because I still don't care for comics porn (yes, I know this makes me strange as a comics fangirl), I don't know. And yes, I've seen previews... waited for interest to appear... nada.

(Plug time: If you're interested in beautiful de/reconstructions of the Wizard of Oz, I must recommend Dorothy, by Illusive Arts. And I cannot wait for the LOEG Black Dossier.)

Wanker time: Yep, Byrne's a dick, and confirms it more every day.

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[info]musouka
2006-06-27 08:27 pm UTC (link)
I, uh, "aquired" the first two issues of Lost Girls because I heard it had a scene with Captain Hook and Peter Pan dueling with their penises.

Unfortunately it was ugly and boring, and no cock duels. If you're going to use childhood icons I love in sacreligious ways, it behooves you to entertain me with them, Moore.

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[info]blackhat
2006-06-27 08:35 pm UTC (link)
And then, there's this classy exchage:

" I do expect the book to be challenging"

As if putting your hand on your d*ck is some kind of challenge.

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[info]beccastareyes
2006-06-27 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I think this is a sign that fandom has jaded me that I really can't be bothered to care that a comic book of Dorothy/Wendy/Alice sex (among other things) exists. (Probably because I'm sure there's fanfiction like that -- I know there's Peter Pan slash out there.)

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[info]evanwaters
2006-06-27 08:40 pm UTC (link)
Bit of additional info. Byrne is pissed because Moore is putting children's characters into a sexualized work without the permission of the creators (and in the case of Wendy, one still under copyright in the UK, though whether the children's hospital can block derivative works is under dispute.)

John Byrne also wrote an issue of ACTION COMICS where the character of Big Barda- created by Jack Kirby and based partly on his wife Roz- is hypnotized and forced to appear in a porno film with Superman.

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[info]dorothy1901
2006-06-27 08:59 pm UTC (link)
I lost respect for Byrne's opinions years ago, back when he declared (in Comics Buyer's Guide?) that he was proud to be a cog in the Marvel machine, and that comics weren't comics unless they had tiny dots of color on cheap paper.

I'm looking forward to Lost Girls, if only to see more of Melinda Gebbie's work. She produced some memorable pages for Wimmen's Comix. And from what I remember of the Lost Girls material that was published several years ago, Gebbie was doing some complex and intriguing stuff with the imagery.

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[info]truly
2006-06-27 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Alan Moore creates more fanfiction, yay!

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[info]snacky
2006-06-27 09:18 pm UTC (link)
FTNITK

I'm stuck here, and I keep pronouncing it "fitnitkick".

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[info]jabberwockypie
2006-06-27 09:49 pm UTC (link)
Well I know a lot of us here are Neil Gaiman fans, so I just thought I'd post this review of Lost Girls I found from his blog (you have to scroll down a bit): http://www.neilgaiman.com/journal/archive/2006_06_01_archive.html

I don't like Alan Moore's writing. I read Watchmen and . . . I'm just not a fan. I'm sorry. I'm a plebe. Please don't hurt me!

That being said, John Byrne is an wanker.

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-06-27 09:53 pm UTC (link)
Dammit, I knew it. Wendy Pini ate John Byrne's sanity.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-27 10:45 pm UTC (link)
I think the idea of those three having lovely threesome sex is likely to be less interesting than the graphic novel.

Although, having said that, it's a femmeslash threesome AU, because it's trying to escape the copyright. So it's probably interesting to spot the differences as well.

Damn, I wish I could get paid for writing crossover pr0n.

-melata

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[info]miss_kitten
2006-06-27 11:12 pm UTC (link)
"Then you are a complete asshole" is going to be my comeback for everything from now on. It's terse and pithy!

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[info]nekoama
2006-06-27 11:47 pm UTC (link)
I, for one, will probably glance through the book when we geet it at work.
I'm much more amused by the fact that I managed to decipher 'FTNITK' on the first try; it took me three months to figure out tl;dr.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-28 12:11 am UTC (link)
You know, wank aside -- the comics sound sort of interesting.

cheeky_duckie @ lj

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[info]vyazka
2006-06-28 12:31 am UTC (link)
tl;dr

Taken here to mean as "too lesbionic, didn't read". Sorry, I lack interest in the womenfolk.

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[info]waterdaughter
2006-06-28 01:07 am UTC (link)
John Byrne will think I'm an asshole for reading this?

Heck, sign me up for twelve!

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[info]sashenka
2006-06-28 01:30 am UTC (link)
John Byrne: Like the Tom Cruise of comics fandom, in a way.

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(Anonymous)
2006-06-28 02:11 am UTC (link)
I'm just mad that Alan Moore has gotten paid for writing slash.

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[info]dante_the_mouse
2006-06-28 03:14 am UTC (link)
Completely OT, but I love your choice of music. I think it would've made a much better single than "I'm With Stupid".

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(no subject) - [info]hangingfire, 2006-06-28 04:11 am UTC

[info]pipssister
2006-06-28 03:43 am UTC (link)
Dave Farabee: Got my copy on order. Looking forward to it more than any other comic in quite some time.

John Byrne: Then you are a complete asshole.


Don't tempt me, John Byrne. I'm already going to see Superman in IMAX because you said that anyone who saw the movie was making a personal insult to you. I really don't want to let go of $75 to make you mad. And yet you make it so easy.

P.S. Don't any of these losers know of the word "parody"?
P.P.S. I call him "Supes."

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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-06-28 04:30 am UTC (link)
Dear John Byrne,

Get the fuck off my side. You're making it look like an even bigger wanky arsehole than it already is.

No love
-Me

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[info]mister_terrific
2006-06-28 05:07 am UTC (link)
This image from Rich Johnston's "Lying in the Gutters" says it all about John Byrne and his message board:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/20060619/JOHNBURN.jpg

Mister Terrific
Defender of Fair Play

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[info]sidhebastardess
2006-06-28 05:23 am UTC (link)
Oh man. No matter what you think about Lost Girls John Byrne is the asshole. Not surprising, really. I love it when people pronounce others as lost causes for one sentence, one barely-explained opinion.

I'm cautiously intruiged by Lost Girls. The basic premise sounds really interesting, and the first issue (which I bought ages ago) seems so as well, though it's hardly long enough to pass judgement on. I'm not about to say "Oh noes! Adaptation! People under eighteen having a sexuality!" Literary character comic book porn sounds fantastic. (All the arguments against that have been done to death in fandom, and they continue to fail to make any impression on me.)

On the other hand, I've read a smattering of Promethea (which I mostly like--I mostly like Moore's work, period), and the way Moore handled sex in that book really bothered the hell out of me.

Thing is, it's pretty much a moot point, since I can't really afford a $75 graphic novel just now. If anything, that's what annoys me the most; the fact that he chose to publish it in such an expensive format.

/vague wankiness

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