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Freezer - a buffet of manliness! ([info]freezer) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-07-04 14:34:00


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Current mood:Mildly Amused
Entry tags:manga, pastede on yay

Her Bra Is Pastde On Boo!
[Much love and cheese to the mousie on Wank Report who posted this]

There is much crying and gnashing of teeth in the On the Dark Horse Comics forum.

An upcoming volume of the manga title Cannon God Exaxxion has apparently been altered to remove a sex scene between main characters Gun and Akane, and the scenes leading up to it altered by drawing in a bra on the originally naked Akane.

The fans... They are not pleased.

NotSamurai: I asked about this in the Dark Horse forum (actually thought I posted here and was ready to complain about the message being deleted before I found it), but haven't seen a reply yet.

In any case, this volume has been censored by Dark Horse. The chapter invovling their first time has missing pages, missing panels, and a badly drawn bra added.

Sicne I won't support censorship, I won't be buying any more of this series (I stopped with volume 3 until volume 5's fate was known).


Buyer beware...


ONEZ! THEY TOOKEN TEH S3XX0RZ!

Chris Warner, editor at Dark Horse, is the first to respond:

...In the case of Exaxxion, work with very strong adult content was created in Japan long after the series began running in the States, content much stronger than what had been established when the license was secured. Publishing this more adult content unaltered would have pulled the book into an adults-only category, which would have cut it off from a large number of its regular readers. This situation was presented to the creator, who authorized editing the work to allow it to continue to reach its established audience.

...Again, we never censor anything. We present the marketplace realties to the creator and then let the creator determine how we, as his or her publisher, should proceed.


Sounds kosher, right? They made a decision, got the okay from the original creator, and took action that would keep the title available to the highest # of readers? At worst, this should be a case of "I accept it, but I don't have to like it" right?

Wait, that's speaking from the perspective of too much Earth Logic and not enough fanboy entitlement. (A perspective which is obviously wrong.)

While many pile on with the "Screw the masses! I want my untouched sex!" whining (must... resist... virgin... crack...), other forums chime in on the DH entry, starting with Anime on DVD. Pay particular to Mortimer (starting towards the bottom of page 2) as he displays his ability to multitask being dense, condescending, and insulting.

But wait! There's more!

Manga Blog (Holy Crap! Reason!), Love Manga, and Anime News Network (can't discuss manga without scanlation wank, can we?) have all chimed in on the subject.

Seems to have died down on AODVD, Manga4Kids, and Love Manga, but the other two appear to be going strong.

I, for one, would love to find scanlations comparing censored and uncensored versions.

ETA: It seems that part of what's fueling this wank comes from the fact that Dark Horse has been down this road before, with a manga called "Shadow Star."



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BOOBIES.
[info]dawnswalker
2006-07-04 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Well, I wouldn't buy it censored, that's for sure.

Thing is, that's really a situation where Dark Horse is screwed over no matter what they do.

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Re: BOOBIES.
[info]wolfsamurai
2006-07-04 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Agreed. Dark Horse is either going to piss people off by censoring this or they're going to piss people off by putting it where some of the established fanbase can't get to it. I personally think that in an ideal world they should release a censored "regular" version and an uncensored version, but the realities of the market probably would keep that from happening.

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Re: BOOBIES. - [info]qem_chibati, 2006-07-04 11:03 pm UTC
Re: BOOBIES. - [info]mcity, 2006-07-05 03:57 am UTC

[info]footsie
2006-07-04 10:25 pm UTC (link)
Wow.

NotSamurai really needs to get laid.

I used to manage a comic shop. Every now and then I miss it. Then I find people like NotSamurai, and I stop missing it.

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[info]pyrrah
2006-07-04 10:48 pm UTC (link)
I consider myself a very laid back person when it comes to manga edits, but Dark Horse's statement sounds a bit unprofessional in the vein of "Oops! We'vde got more than what we bargained for."

When in doubt, shrinkwrap!

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[info]hypno_jango
2006-07-05 12:08 am UTC (link)
I'm not on the side of the fanboy wankers because I don't usually care about edits but I find it funny that Dark Horse wasn't expecting the sex scene. The author of Cannon God Exaxxion also did Gunsmith Cats. Dark Horse released that one too. I would have been surprised if the author didn't put some sort of sex scene in CGE at some point.

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[info]freezer
2006-07-05 12:14 am UTC (link)
If I read things correctly, Dark Horse picked up the title early in it's run, while things were pretty much PG-13 at worse. Apparently, CGE jumped rather rapidly into the R-rated content, at which point DH had already released four volumes as a general audience title. So I tend to cut DH a bit of slack.

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[info]eclair
2006-07-05 12:10 am UTC (link)
SHADOW STAR. ... oh man.

Why would anyone bring that comic over without realizing the extent of the content in it? For one, a girl gets ripped apart, a nail shoved up her vagina through her body, cutting open her stomach all while she was about to have sex with her brother. (Who's skull got shoved to the wall and crushed minutes ago.)

I think what made the scene funny was that they didn't censor out the holy-fucking-shit violence, but since the girl didn't have panties on, they gave her a thong.

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[info]brown_betty
2006-07-05 12:15 am UTC (link)
I think what made the scene funny was that they didn't censor out the holy-fucking-shit violence, but since the girl didn't have panties on, they gave her a thong.



[facepalm]

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YAY pr0n! - [info]vinylgrrl, 2006-07-06 10:22 pm UTC

[info]vuirneen
2006-07-05 01:21 am UTC (link)
Shadow Star, really?

It was so compelling, but the early episodes were so cute... I guess when the main character's a child, you don't expect that sort of thing.

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[info]tenma
2006-07-05 04:19 am UTC (link)
Didn't they promote the first volume of Shadow Star in a way that made it sound like it was for kids too?

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[info]sashenka
2006-07-05 04:45 am UTC (link)
I actually read the first chapter years back... it didn't seem like it was going in that direction, it seemed bland, actually, that's why I never read any more of it...

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[info]emiweebee
2006-07-05 04:56 am UTC (link)
I'll have you know I am now suckered into watching this damn thing.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2006-07-05 05:08 am UTC (link)
So ludicrous violence, particularly against girls and women, is fine. But consensual sex isn't.

AHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAA.

I'll be drinkin'.

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[info]sgtgeorgecarter
2006-07-05 12:15 am UTC (link)
Back to the general American horror of sex...

I'd stop buying the series and tell them why. It aggravates me when companies censor. It's stupid.

That being said, I wouldn't go spooging all over the place about it. I guess my fanboy cred is gone now...

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[info]ladylance
2006-07-05 12:17 am UTC (link)
The only problem I have is that this isn't the first time a comic book publisher has been forced to (badly) censor a manga title they've brought over--they never seem to look at the author's cannon as a whole and as a result always end up surprised when something ends up with a higher rating than they first thought. This also happened with the Tengo Tenge release and the lashback was rather big. I can't remember who the publisher was then, but I do know that the publishers of that title were utterly clueless about the fact that it really was a panty-title.

IMHO, comic book publishers who publish manga today remind me of the manga-only lines of a few years ago--they see manga as a way to make money, and don't necessarily care about keeping the title intact.

Problem is, today's readers are (rightfully so) much more picky about getting a title brought across as was originally written. The companies need to pay more attention to what they are bringing across to avoid this kind of mess. The manga-focused companies deal with this kind of stuff two ways:

1. They don't bring it over, period (example: yaoi-lines won't ever release Dr. Ten, because she has tons of shota in her work and they just can't publish it)

or

2. They release it as a 16+ title to begin with.

I think Dark Horse *needs* to pay more attention or they'll keep pissing off the fanboys who'd buy most of their stuff. IMHO, I don't particularly care that the fanboys don't get their sex, but I am irked when titles have to be edited because the people in charge of getting licenses haven't done their homework.

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[info]emiweebee
2006-07-05 12:56 am UTC (link)
I understand that it's not censorship in the true meaning of the word, but for the house's management to argue something like, "We don't censor, ever! We just firmly alert the creator to these unintended consequences, which will likely sour our business relationship with him, and the creator chooses to censor himself! No censorship at all! It's just possibly a small strongarm technique."

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[info]amyheartssiroc
2006-07-05 01:45 am UTC (link)
I don't generally support censorship, but when a series starts out innocently and then suddenly introduces adult content, that just seems like a bait and switch to me. In this instance, I'd have to agree with Dark Horse's decision, as they didn't know about the future content - although I also think it was something they should have asked beforehand.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2006-07-05 02:13 am UTC
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Word to that. - tsuzukilove, 2006-07-05 04:36 am UTC
Re: Word to that. - [info]fourthage, 2006-07-05 05:17 am UTC
Re: Word to that. - [info]fourthage, 2006-07-05 05:18 am UTC
Re: Word to that. - tsuzukilove, 2006-07-05 07:10 am UTC
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[info]puipui
2006-07-05 01:53 am UTC (link)
...Again, we never censor anything. We present the marketplace realties to the creator and then let the creator determine how we, as his or her publisher, should proceed.

We don't censor! We just make the author self-censor!

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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-07-05 02:28 am UTC (link)
Once again, the US comic companies remind us that uberviolence is A-ok, but sex is baaaad. *facepalm*

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(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-07-05 04:39 am UTC

[info]musouka
2006-07-05 04:06 am UTC (link)
You know, if you're regularly flipping out because a few boobies were painted over, it might be worth it to invest in some Japanese classes and just learn to read the damn things yourself. It'd save me a headache at least.

I don't know. Granted, I'm speaking as someone who feels Tenjo Tenge could have half the pages whited out and I'd still love the company because they're bringing me stuff like Cipher and From Eroica With Love, but I think these issues so often become pissing contests over who can get the most self-righteous over "ZOMG CENSORSHIP!!!!1!!!"

I can understand not wanting to buy something that's edited. It's why I passed on Viz's HikaGo. But I don't take it as this hugely personal thing being done to me by these evil manga companies, it's just something unfortunate that happens for various reasons.

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[info]aerobot
2006-07-05 12:19 pm UTC (link)
I'm not surprised that Dark Horse was caught off-guard by this. I mean, I knew the creator, so I expected some lewdness - the manga starts off with some big boobs, sexual innuendo, and sexual humour. Then WHAM - Hoichi's father goes off to a spa of dozen naked young women (that are practically a harem), then a really freaking suggestive cover, Akane being glued onto the dashboard of the mecha with her behind right in Hoichi's face, you name it. It sure as hell surprised me. :P

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[info]wrongly_amused
2006-07-05 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Well, the fact that they had to censor it really sucks, but blame the ones actually responsible for this - the prudish censors who decided anything sexual is automatically obscene.

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[info]ruffwriter
2006-07-05 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Heh, that reminds me of the editting job Viz did on a volume of Yami no Matsuei... they took a page with some man-on-man fellatio and editted out one of the participants, so it just looks like the character is lounging. Naked. With his legs spread.

I had pictures of both scans at one point, but I can't find them now...

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(no subject) - [info]churri, 2006-07-07 03:31 am UTC

[info]jail
2006-07-05 11:17 pm UTC (link)
Badly drawn bra? Isn't that a band?

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(no subject) - [info]nlb_muffin, 2006-07-06 07:02 am UTC

[info]aerobot
2006-07-06 11:46 am UTC (link)
WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE.

Sorry for the double post, but I just fucking realized - this comic has already shown full grown women being completely naked, bush and all. Even while in a sexual situation where they were all together in a spa being naughty (no explicit sex, though).

So, how is that perfectly okay, but they need to put a bra on Akane? And actually, we've already seen Akane partially naked. So what the fuck?

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