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jujubee ([info]jujubee) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-07-19 23:20:00


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Free to be....wanky
First wank!

So Monday was the new network, the CW's, day to present at the TCA summer tour. Several (well, at least two) shows had press conferences featuring a star or two from the show and the show runner. Over on his blog, Tim Goodman , a TV critic for the San Francisco Chronicle, gives a recap of the days events. In it he contends that the only reason Gilmore Girls exists is to bring viewers in for Veronica Mars. While describing the difference between the Gilmore Girls press conference and the Veronica Mars press conference, he says, in regards to Alexis Bledel, star of Gilmore Girls, "Bledel's disinterested approach to the proceedings reaffirmed long-held critical beliefs that her best personality trait is one someone else writes for her."

It starts off mostly along the lines of, "OMG!!!11! He insulted my favorite show/actress!!!1!!11 He is such a hack!!!!1!! Just to punish him, I'm not going to watch Veronica Mars because he praised it." Most comments are so similar, they could all be written by the same person. (One comment summed it up quite well:

RotoJeff: These form comments are awesome:

1. Assert that Tim made a personal attack.
2. State that he "crossed the line."

[optional]

3. Demonstrate lack of awareness of irony by making a personal attack on him (bonus points for using the word "hack" and the phrase "desparate for attention").
4. Insult Veronica Mars merely because Tim praised it.)


Then the conspiracy theories start:

fatham: Tim Goodman’s personal attack on Alexis Bledel was wrong and totally uncalled for. For that, i will boycott Veronica Mars. Why you say? Because it was the people behind that show who put Tim up to it to promote their show.

michmike: As for Tim Goodman’s comments about Alexis Bledel, I do think that he went a bit too far with his personal attack that did cross the line. There was no reason for it and I think it might have blown up in his face considering the fact that he only did it to promote Veronica Mars. I think some of the Gilmore Fans will take out their anger on the show for what Tim did and it will in fact be canceled. When that happens, I will post a copy of Tim’s article to every Veronica Mars fan web site to show them how the seeds were planted by this article that had their beloved show canceled.

One of the defenders decides to compare the situation to one faced on the show, which sparks an argument about who is the better fan:

gigi24: Didn't Rory go off on some ballet dancer in one episode, called her a drunken hippo (among other brutal observations), then faced comical threats of violence from said ballerina? Wasn't it later decided that a real journalist tells the truth no matter who it hurts? So Rory then proceeds with destroying some crappy concert? Wasn't that the moral of the story -- Rory has to stick to her brutal, vicious guns even if it makes her unpopular?

Don't you people even watch the show?


bobyq: No offence gigi24 but if you saw that episode, you would have notice that Rory only criticize the ballerina ability to dance, not the person herself. What Tim Goodman did was to attack Alexis personally and that’s in my opinion going way too far.

gigi24: bobyq, Rory compared the girl to a hippo. The ballerina with a fat roll (according to earlier in the episode) being called a hippo is not an attack on the person herself? Sorry, you lost me on that.

lauramf: Excuse me gigi24 but when Rory compared the girl to a hippo, she was talking about the way she was dancing on stage, not the person herself. If you are going to try to lie about the episode, try to get your facts strait before you open your mouth.

No matter how you try to spin it, what Tim Goodman did was wrong and i agree with the majority here in contemning him.


gigi24: Jeez, I can't believe I wasted my time doing this, but Rory also included a line in the review about the "fat roll around the bra strap." So, she's hippo-like and has fat rolls. That's only about her dancing, though, not the girl herself? Suuure.

Ice_X gets quite huffy about the fact that this is obviously "ENGINEERED" by an Alexis Bledel fan group. (Though, actually, I was trying to figure out who was linking to this post, and none of the Bledel fansites I could find had it, but I stumbled across a link to it when I wasn't looking for it on the WB/Tribune Gilmore Girl's website. About halfway down the page it says "Brutal Blogging" though the comments on that aren't wanky in the same way.) Ice_X goes on for several comments, but his/her efforts are for naught, as the form comments continue.

It's at 72 comments right now, on a blog that normally gets around 10, and I expect the wank will continue for at least one more day.


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(Anonymous)
2006-07-20 05:43 am UTC (link)
I love the outrage where viewers who feel wronged only prove the critics point.

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[info]khym_chanur
2006-07-20 05:56 am UTC (link)
Bledel's disinterested approach to the proceedings reaffirmed long-held critical beliefs that her best personality trait is one someone else writes for her.

Soooo, the personality that she presents on-screen is different from the one she has in real life... because she's an actress, and she's been hired to act out what the writers have written. I'm failing to see a problem here.

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[info]jail
2006-07-20 06:05 am UTC (link)
Other than Alexis Bledel coming off as an asshole in interviews, I don't see one for anyone besides her.

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(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2006-07-20 06:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jail, 2006-07-20 06:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2006-07-22 07:01 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-07-20 07:46 pm UTC (link)
Additionally, that's one of the most awesome burns of all time. I LIKE Gilmore Girls and I can appreciate the artistry of that insult without any context at all.

-- Canonymous

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-20 06:04 am UTC (link)
Joss Whedon likes Veronica Mars, therefore it wins. Subject closed.

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-20 06:06 am UTC (link)
Uhhh...I didn't mean to say it twice
*Runs off to hide in a corner with some cheese*

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-07-20 06:38 am UTC
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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-07-20 11:38 am UTC (link)
No. Whedon is not a god. Astonishing X-men proves that.

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(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2006-07-20 01:33 pm UTC
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[info]justicepeckham
2006-07-20 02:35 pm UTC (link)
Well, I agree with you, Mousey.

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[info]amyheartssiroc
2006-07-20 03:50 pm UTC (link)
It seems like people either love or hate Joss Whedon. I happen to think he's brilliant, and I'm curious as to what people dislike about him.

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(no subject) - [info]jujubee, 2006-07-20 04:11 pm UTC
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[info]bastet
2006-07-20 05:29 pm UTC (link)
Does he still like it after the incredibly inferior second season? I like Joss too, mousie, but it's not like he's never made an error in judgement...

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(no subject) - [info]freezer, 2006-07-20 08:36 pm UTC
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dearladydisdain
2006-07-20 06:17 am UTC (link)
This is hilarious.

1. I live in the Bay Area and have been reading Tim Goodman's TV reviews for years.
2. I was highly involved in the Veronica Mars fan community and efforts to promote the show, for two seasons.

Tim Goodman is a cranky, hilarious, frank guy who earns his money by voicing harsh opinions. The only show he is reliably fannish about is The Sopranos (though he was such a cheerleader for Arrested Development that they snuck his name on the show; in retrospect, this was clearly a bribe). In fact, during VM's first season I actually became frustrated with him for never mentioning VM beyond his initial (fairly positive) review of the pilot and a kind of "it's okay but I don't give a shit about it" handwave negative comparison to Lost.

Now, VM fans are too busy hiring airplanes and buying DVDs for libraries to pay the man who couldn't save the Bluths to save the Marses. The show itself is too poor to pay for good writing its regular characters to appear in a normal number of episodes. So...The CW is bribing Goodman to diss its own show? Dude. That is AWESOME.

I want to work at as intra-network showkiller when I grow up. There are probably lots of openings at Fox, don't you think?

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[info]justicepeckham
2006-07-20 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Hee hee. "A relative masterpiece of complex eroticism." Hee.

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[info]delma
2006-07-20 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Hrm. Didn't the VM people try to "bribe" the TWoP recapper by showing him lots of special attention and giving him shoutouts and stuff? I kind of got the impression that they did from his recaps. It totally didn't work, which makes me giggle a lot, though.

But the idea that this critic is involved in some sort of COMSPIRACY!!11!! against the Gilmore Girls makes me giggle even more.

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(no subject) - dearladydisdain, 2006-07-21 01:51 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-07-20 06:37 am UTC (link)
I like the one who calls Vernica Mars "basically a bad rip off of Buffy but with out the vampires or the good writing". Because The two series are the same how?

~Mousey Mousey

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(no subject) - [info]freezer, 2006-07-20 06:56 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sgtgeorgecarter, 2006-07-20 03:06 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sgtgeorgecarter, 2006-07-20 04:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]misswindy, 2006-07-22 06:59 pm UTC

[info]mastervex
2006-07-20 07:01 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one who somehow manages to read "Gilmore Girls" as "Golden Girls" every single time and is always then very confused?

Okay, yes, I probably am very much the only one.

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(no subject) - [info]toph, 2006-07-20 07:27 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-07-20 07:20 am UTC (link)
*sigh* Like there isn't enough wank going on in the Veronica Mars fandom already - now we get to add hate from the Gilmore Girls fandom into the mix. The VM fans hate Tim Goodman too! Can't we all just join forces and save BOTH our shows?

It's almost enough to make me stop watching TV. Almost.

lapiratess @ lj

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(no subject) - [info]bastet, 2006-07-20 08:13 pm UTC
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[info]ladyvorkosigan
2006-07-20 07:26 am UTC (link)
It's not that I hate Gilmore Girls because of its fans, but I always feel a strange sense of satisfaction when its fans reinforce and legitimate my otherwise fairly arbitrary hatred (See also: TwoP Gilmore Girls spoiler thread) (and actually, it's not that arbitrary; I just think the snappy dialogue sucks and that the characters are obnoxious; please don't hurt me).

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2006-07-20 07:53 am UTC (link)
Does Alexis Bledel ever appear anything other than disinterested? Granted, I've only seen an episode or two of Gilmore Girls, but I don't think she broke out of the monotone/glazed-eye delivery once. Nor did she do so in anything else I've seen her in.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-07-20 11:47 am UTC (link)
Just going though most of Tim Goodman's articles gives you the idea on how much of an untalented hack he really is. I'm not a bit surprise on his unwarranted and spiteful personal attack on Alexis Bledel

Oh lollercaust.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-07-20 08:04 pm UTC

[info]loopywafflehead
2006-07-20 01:13 pm UTC (link)
Lauren Graham is hot.

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(no subject) - [info]scootermcgaffin, 2006-07-20 02:17 pm UTC
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[info]polemic
2006-07-20 03:50 pm UTC (link)
Why you say?

You have no chance to survive, make your time!

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[info]llama_treats
2006-07-20 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Alexis Bledel's not actually a robot? Who knew?

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(no subject) - [info]bastet, 2006-07-20 05:44 pm UTC
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[info]antigone
2006-07-20 06:16 pm UTC (link)
This makes me glad I never stepped foot in Gilmore Girls fandom, even though I love that show.

I often think that about Supernatural, too.

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[info]deerlike
2006-07-21 05:15 pm UTC (link)
What he says is basically true. "GG" has sucked for the past three seasons, and Alexis Bledel has zero-interest in playing Rory at this point (and it shows). Ah, for the glory years of Seasons 1-3.

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[info]cmarie
2006-07-23 12:18 am UTC (link)
I dont know much about her, but a do remember reading a couple sightings on Gawker about her boyfriend Milo being borderline abusive in broad daylight around the time they broke-up. Made me feel a little sorry for her.

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