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The Shadow In the Moonlit Night ([info]demonoflight) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-07-30 03:55:00


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Current mood:*sporfle!*

When the Pokemon fandom wanks, it wanks BIG TIME.
Background: 4Kids, the Bane of Our Existence (see the American One Piece dub for details), doesn't want Pokemon anymore. Pokemon was recently given to Pokemon USA, PUSA for short, and now they handle anything Pokemon in the US from dubbing to marketing. Then PUSA announces that they changed all the voice actors and will broadcast the Mastermind of Pokemon special to see what the audience thinks. A group of people who are completely appalled by this idea forms the Save Our Voice Actors (SOVA) organization. They send letters and paper cranes the whole month, hoping it'll change PUSA's mind. Of course, it doesn't help much. One month later, they broadcast Mastermind. The voices reek. The audience hates it. The Internet explodes.

Flash forward to July 20th, 2006. PUSA holds a panel in San Diego's Comic-Con with the new VA of Brock and the new-new VA of Ash (PUSA says they weren't happy with the old new VA's performance. Neither were we, PUSA, neither were we). They screen a re-dubbed version of the first ten minutes of Mastermind. The voices are a lot better. The audience approves, for the most part. SOVA still isn't please. They don't want replacements, they want the original VAs. Though now they know they can't change the voices for season 9, they're trying their hardest to do something so PUSA will hire the old actors back for season 10. Recently, one of the members of SOVA suggested to take the organization's issues to a talk show, and the others think it's a great idea. The organization receives a huge blow when the gadfly, their guru of sorts, breaks the news and tells them that SOVA is a lost cause. The SOVA people proceed to mourn and glare at Water Pokemon Master, a rather famous figure in the Pokemon fandom who antagonized the group throughout its existence and whose source inside PUSA contacted the gadfly. Nevermind the source did it on its own, without WPM's involvement.

Now it's time for the Internet to explode again! Courtsy of WPM himself.

WPM has had enough, and he opens a thread to discuss the issue of SOVA and the attempts to save the old VAs. He wishes to show SOVA the wrongness of its ways, and this is what he says:

Alright, so recently, SOVA wants to go on to live television and write into newspapers and magazines, telling the world of how a few Pokemon voice actors have been replaced. They want to go on to such shows as the Today Show, speaking to NY and the world on how the Pokemon voice actors were replaced. As if this will actually happen, but does anyone think this is the wrong way of going about the situation? They haven't even TALKED to PUSA, yet they are going to attempt to go on to live television and into newspapers and talk blatantly, without knowing the facts, for everyone. It does not even seem like they even understand the situation, yet they are going to go and make sure that other people know that the evil Pokemon USA took the jobs of voice acting away from the innocent 4Kids VAs, when that is not even the case. SOVA's members appear to have a deep liking for the old VAs and do not want them to change, but does this cause them to be blind and to avoid what is actually going on?

I have been keeping up with the SOVA thread from Day 1, when I was an actual supporter, but now that I understand the situation, it seems that SOVA is on the wrong side, and NO ONE is trying to forcefully show them that. I have tried, but failed many times to knock some sense into the campaign, but it doesn't seem like anyone in the SOVA campaign wants to listen to any voice of reasoning. They just want to go out into the world, make Pokemon fans look like utter fools, and talk for all of us. Now of course, even I will admit that SOVA seemed to have a good shot in the very, very, very beginning, but once PUSA took over, it almost became 100% apparent that it was lost. So why are they continuing this campaign? Is it because of personal reasons? Is it because they feel this is "their call?" No one seems to know why, and it would be interesting to hear what SOVA has to say about this question.


And indeed, the fandom explodes. This thread was prone to wank anyway, considering how wanky the subject is.

At first everyone agrees with WPM, and gives PUSA encouraging words. Wank starts to raise its ugly rear (yes, its ugly rear. Wank sees through its butt, don'tcha know) around page four, when SOVA is frustrated with WPM antagonizing them, WPM is frustrated because they don't understand that SOVA is a lost 'cause, and modly figure Barb is frustrated because WPM thinks SOVA should do everything he says. But that's miniwank compared to what happens next, in page six, when Maddie Blaustein, Meowth's old VA, joins in the fun! The wankery continues for 19 pages and shows no signs of stopping anytime soon.

Oh, I like the Pokemon fandom. So chaotic.




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[info]baskinglizard
2006-07-30 03:12 am UTC (link)
I know next to nothing about Pokemon fandom. That said, wank sees through its butt, huh?

/it seemed like a good idea at the time...

//it's always time for VGCats

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[info]yamashitaaki
2006-07-30 04:20 am UTC (link)
This is so messed up. I love it -- only animefans can wank like this. *happy sigh*

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[info]crazedchipmunk
2006-07-30 05:13 am UTC (link)
They're still making Pokemon?

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[info]sol
2006-07-30 05:48 am UTC (link)
I'd love to see SOVA take PUSA onto something like Judge Judy. I would watch that in a heartbeat.

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(no subject) - [info]taktuk, 2006-07-30 05:54 am UTC

[info]blackjackrocket
2006-07-30 05:52 am UTC (link)
I was wondering when this would make it on here.

WPM is a massive ass. He got banned for flaming SOVA, openly got around his ban by posting as an unregistered and signing his name, and when he was unbanned, the first thing he did was flame SOVA again. He also has no idea who's responsible for what, as he blamed Bulbagarden's SOVA branch for something that happened on LJ.

That said, Maddie Blaustein rocks.

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(no subject) - [info]mookie, 2006-07-30 07:27 am UTC

[info]aerobot
2006-07-30 07:23 am UTC (link)
They want to go on to such shows as the Today Show, speaking to NY and the world on how the Pokemon voice actors were replaced.

Holy shit, that's hilarious. Because the Today Show is SO GOING TO GIVE A SHIT. I can't believe they're taking this that seriously. And Oprah. OPRAH. *dies*

Although I admit, the VAs were the only good thing about that show. Ash's voice was annoying, but they were all competent, at least.

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[info]sashenka
2006-07-30 07:57 am UTC (link)
heh... Game > Anime , especially the GBA game. Anime dub wank is great... how many annoying women voiced Sailor Moon? Seriously, that dub was like a game of Survivor... PoKeMon is starting to get there, though... alas.

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-30 08:15 am UTC (link)
People who blow as voice actors don't even get hired, and don't even get a start in the industry.

*snrk* AHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHA! HA...Ha...haa... right. That was good for a ten minute laugh. Excuse me while I go make my ears bleed to season 1 Sailor Moon and One Peice dubs.

Wow, that is the worst argument ever. Hell, shitty *actors* are hired every day and paid millions. Case in point, Reeves (although I'm sure that's entirely up for debate.)

~Ice

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[info]dawnswalker
2006-07-30 08:33 am UTC (link)
Talk shows? TALK SHOWS?!

What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall when they pitch that one to Oprah's publicist...

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[info]rekall
2006-07-30 09:01 am UTC (link)
Are Pokemon fans ever happy?

They complained when 4Kids ran things. They complained when PUSA took over. And they're still complaining even though PUSA is also saying "yeah the new VAs suck so here's new new VAs."

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-30 10:22 am UTC (link)
I stopped watching the dub ages ago and am now researching deeply into the original. Why? Because, apart from the cuts (typical of American TV dubs, hmph), they turned Kojiro into James, the gay joke dumping ground. it may amuse you, but I think it's offensive stereotyping.

And the irony is if he WERE explicitly homosexual in the original, 4kids woulda chickened out and made him a girl or something. (DiC and Zoicite, anyone?).

Though... Kojiro/Harley would be HOT.

Lurkerbunny @ LJ

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Warning: angry mouse rant
(Anonymous)
2006-07-30 11:00 am UTC (link)
Archaic is an asshole who completely abuses his power as a mod/admin, and flaunts his Business Degree® without a hint of modesty.

Seriously, threatening to ban Maddie for not proving a negative, which by the fucking way is LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE?

And on a totally fangirl note: HE THREATENED TO BAN MEOWTH. HE MUST BE KILLED WITH FIRE.

-sei, who has been a Pokemon fan in all its incarnations since she was 10 years old and YES is rather attached to the English VAs

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Re: Warning: angry mouse rant - [info]demonoflight, 2006-07-30 11:19 am UTC
Re: Warning: angry mouse rant - (Anonymous), 2006-07-30 11:48 am UTC
Re: Warning: angry mouse rant - [info]panthea, 2006-07-31 04:34 am UTC
Re: Warning: angry mouse rant - (Anonymous), 2006-08-04 12:46 am UTC

[info]seraphtrevs
2006-07-30 01:57 pm UTC (link)
From Ash's Pika Pal:

I know this is probably going to be a bad idea, but how about trying to get this on a talk show?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the worst idea I've ever heard.

Save the Pokemon Dub! Think of Ash and his friends,they are depending on us to get their voices back,we can't let them down. They never let us down,so why should we let them down? I'm sure if they had their voices back they would tell us they prefer their original voices.

THEY ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE OMG. This reminds me of that wank where that girl was defending Sirius's honor when someone drew Severus/Sirius porn, because Sirius would be offended. Characters can't get offended, people, because...they're characters.

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[info]wolfgangmozart
2006-07-30 02:20 pm UTC (link)
...uh? So MEOWTH'S VA (who is the bomb) came to BMGf, prompting people to jump on her case?

*goes to read all this*

Um, guys, hello, she worked there. She should know if anyone's actually talked to her. I'm glad she has a good snark streak, though. "Color you surprised, then" made me howl.

OK. I'm going back to the "Chronicles are frickin' awesome/ yay Eldershipping" corner.

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[info]annepackrat
2006-07-30 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Do these people actually believe the Today Show producers / audience would care about the Pokemon VAs?

Good god, this is Save Our Sailors all over again.

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[info]purple_shoes
2006-07-30 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Wow, I've never seen anyone in a fandom trash an actor in it quite like that.

I mean, voice actor or not, you would think people would have a little more love for the actors in thier fandom! ::boggles::

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[info]gusty
2006-07-30 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Y'know, if people had as much passion for actual causes as they do for who voices whom on a damn TV show, the world would be a much better place. I'd say that the fandom was much less insane back in my day (the late 90's/early 00's and on good old alt.games.nintendo.pokemon), but that would be a horrible horrible lie.

Also... Habunake's sig picture makes me want to cry blood.

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[info]harrylovesron
2006-07-30 07:05 pm UTC (link)
*headdesk* WHEN are they going to realize this is pretty much a lost cause? And also that the VAs were pretty darn lucky to hang onto the roles as long as they did?

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[info]ravenclaw_devi
2006-07-30 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Pokémon is serious business!

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-30 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Ah, Pokemon. No longer just for eager little prepubescent boys just waiting to get their grubby hands on a holographic Charizard. *sniff* Those were the days.

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[info]blackjackrocket
2006-07-31 12:59 am UTC (link)
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=256138&postcount=300

A Figment accuses Blaustein of being...me! WHAT THE FUCK?!

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-07-31 02:13 am UTC

[info]evanwaters
2006-07-31 01:36 am UTC (link)
Does this mean I might be able to watch the show without wanting to punch Ash in the face repeatedly?

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-31 02:31 am UTC (link)
The only reason I've let you get away with it (you do realise that I'm the webmaster of this site, I hope?(Archaic)

I know its been said before,but what an asshole

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-31 02:45 am UTC (link)
Oh hell. I love how Archaic and WPM are all "SHOW US PROOF MADDIE OR WE'LL BAN YOU," but when they're asked for proof, they say "ZOMG INSIDE SOURCES R ANONYMOUS LOL."

Assholes. Every other sentence out of Archaic's keyboard was condescending sarcasm, which I do not consider anywhere close to "professional behavior." Maddie only started channeling Meowth after about FIVE PAGES of Archaic's abuse.

-sei, who is still pissed off

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[info]felinephoenix
2006-07-31 04:54 am UTC (link)
I really have nothing to say, except A.) I love you and your Mummymon icon and B.) this is why I was in the Digimon fandom, kiddies.

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