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buttercat ([info]buttercat) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-07-31 11:05:00


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Current mood:Useful

fangirls, like rape in a way.
Posted for a mousie who seemed to put a lot of effort into this. I tried to fix your html as best as I could. Some of your links lead to wrong posts, but I can't do anything about that cause I can't find what you're talking about. But this is a pretty good wank but verrrrrrry long. Will cut some of this for you.


It's time for emo user names and lots of old-school vs. new school wank! Here's a fandom that hasn't been on F_W to my knowledge: the band 30 Seconds to Marsand their crazyass, hardcore fans, The Echelon. (Editors note: Yes they were or at least Jared Leto was.

It all starts with "old timer" Proxen dissing fangirls. He calls out oen particular group, the "Shannon Mafia", that is, girls who are particularly fannish over drummer Shannon Leto.

Lots of folks say, "word" and some ask, "what set you off on this subject?" Proxen points out a thread that is now sadly inaccessible, that had pictures of some of the girls posing in pictures with Shannon, and surrounding posts from other fans saying what "chemistry" said girls had with said drummer.



Arguing goes on kind of boringly for a few pages, ("people have abandoned their children for 30STM OMG won't someone think of the..." and "yeah but haven't you been to 40 shows yourself?" and "didn't you get fired for going to a 30 STM concert instead of work?" until... Beautiful Kaos comes out with I think an important question is why does it even bother you? Frankly being kicked int he face and shoulder slammed onto the ground by psycho moshers who doesnt care about the music and are just there to get recked in all senses of the word are much more of a hinderence than little girls, giggling between each other about how hot Shannon is.

Marysbuddha kicks everyone in the face with irony with the comment: If you can't handle the pit, stay the fuck away from concerts.
Also, it's "wrecked." People who failed grammar and literature are a hinderence to the human race, in all seriousness.
Then Beautiful Kaos bites back. Small spelling/grammar wank follows.

Marysbuddha keeps the irony coming: If you don't like moshing, stay home and listen to the CD! (Only with snark.) And then loses the entire argument with Because even though most people are dumbasses, it's a little far fetched to believe that a bunch of guys would be willing to fork over $20 (each) just to run into each other in the name of fun. I'm positive it would be infinitely better to go into someone's basement with a Korn cd blasting and proceed to roll around there instead. Meanwhile, a teenage girl or even adult woman would totally pay money just to see an attractive guy, because all women are whores and will give up their vaginal tunnels for anything. Some people don't like that comment. Fighting happens some more.

Mikebrooke jumps in with last summer, i went to a 30STM show down in florida and brought my son, because i didn't want to leave my kid behind for a show, because that would just be horrible parenting on my part. but when i got to the venue they wouldn't let him in, because he is only 6 months old. so i just did the right thing and left him in the car. but don't worry guys, i made sure to roll up all the windows so nothing could get to him. Gasoline Rainbows doesn't get the joke.


Then the fun starts. Suicideangel (I warned you about the emo usernames,) posts a pic of one of the "Shannon Mafia" with Shannon and comments Shannon looks annoyed.

(Breaking for a minute and getting back to "someone think of the children," Monica tells us all that it is ILLEGAL to leave your babies in a parked car, and your kids could DIE.)

The requisite The old board was cooler and so are the old-school fans.

Cin retaliates to the "Shannon looks annoyed" post with Oh yeah? Does he look annoyed now, bitches? as she posts a pic of Shannon getting cuddly with her. Suicideangel comes back with, I don't know cause I can't see his eyes. And he does that to all the people who make their own T shirts, DOLLFACE. O_o

Up on page eight, we have a bitchy little exchange between old-timers Diane and Sledge.</a>

Finally, Proxen clarifies: So, why am I pissed? Because my friends have disappeared? No. Because when those very friends, the ones that have TRULY promoted; gone out of their way and done things to get OTHERS to notice, not only their little buddy ass fangirl friends in a big, quiet competition of "One upping" each other; those friends, come to me... And they tell me, there are people at these shows that walk around, and they glare and they intimidate others...

you EMBARRASS the band with your pitifully disrespectful methods, are chased off, are turned away.

You people SPEAK of promotion as if wearing "cool, DIY" clothes does a FUCKING thing. When is the last time you walked 40 blocks in a day putting up stickers, passing fliers, giving samplers, anything of this nature? Do you think that fawning is a form of respect for music? Wrong.


That's right, damnit. Those fifteen year old girls screaming about the Leto brothers are INTIMIDATING.


More fighting happens for a few pages, then...


Welcome back Marysbuddha, with Why do some of you try so hard to get so many pictures with them? Could not getting their attention affect you in a negative way? If you answered yes, congratulations, I probably suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder, and you can consider yourself more fucked up than me.

Jared likes the fandom, part one. (Jared being Shannon's brother and the lead singer.) Jared likes it, part two. And finally, Jared likes it, part three.

Alexandros posts a comprehensive list of things to do to make Echelon a better team. ROCK BAND FANDOM IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, PEOPLE.

Jared DOESN'T like it.

Finally, Eabraham comes out with, Excuse me, but I started the Shannon mafia. What particular delusions/fantasies are you talking about? I was unaware I had any - and also unaware that I'd met you. (and if I haven't - how is it that you're making assumptions about me?) Oddly, no one really addresses this.

Proxen: I have very little to say. Aside from these six paragraphs on how you still all suck. And continues to post .. and post ... and post ... the same god damn things over and over again.




Monica: Can't we all just get along?

No we can't! You are in the Shannon Mafia, so this thread is your fault!

Jared likes it, part four. If you're bothering Jared, HE HAS NO PROBLEM TELLING YOU.

In the Best Post Ever FTW moment, Jules KD posts a (hilariously faked) soundfile that PROVES Jared likes it ... Too bad no one else downloads the soundfile. Everyone continues arguing.

Then, on PAGE FUCKING TWENTY Marysbuddha and scinsocal really get going. Repetitively.

Scinsocal: No one is getting hurt by the squeeing fangirls. No harm, no foul.

Marysbuddha, FINALLY, with the "logic",: does that mean necrophilia is okay, and freaking out rape victims with PENISES is okay?! Because no one gets physically hurt in that case, either! Riiiiight.

Scinsocal: I'm disturbed that you compare what the Shannon Mafia does to rape, necrophilia, and jacking off in public. On page 21, in response to this, Proxen whips it out again. It's still wet from the last time.

Marysbuddha: So it's all right for fangirls to push other fans away, but masturbating under the stage isn't?

By PAGE FUCKING TWENTY THREE, it is still Marysbuddha and Proxen vs. Scinsocal.</a> You're being evasive because you're guilty. NO, YOU ARE. Etc.


The moral? Don't judge :30STM by their batshit fans. The music is actually good.



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[info]marumae
2006-07-31 06:16 pm UTC (link)
HTML is a little off towards the end, not a closed bold tag I believe. Other then that, holy shit...who would have thought 30STM fans were so batshit? (note I have a friend on my friendslist who is big into them and she is far from batshit).

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[info]buttercat
2006-07-31 06:38 pm UTC (link)
Fixed tag, thanks. :-) Yes, not all the fans are batshit. But this section really truly is.......

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[info]slackeremeritus
2006-07-31 06:37 pm UTC (link)
...Wow. Times like this, I'm glad I just listen to (and like) the music but could give a damn about the band members.

And they named themselves after the title of a 30STM song. How cute. Is it impossible to simply say they're fans of the band? Why the need for an oh-so-cleverly-related nickname for their legions? (Honestly curious.)

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fallingfortruth
2006-07-31 09:50 pm UTC (link)
Actually, the name was Jared's idea. It was born in the early days of the band where they were trying to encourage a fanbase that could give them a lot of support.

Then they got big, and the "orginial" Echelon started getting territorial... And then, yeah, spooge everywhere.

(This coming from a "new school" Echelon member with a tattoo who'll be seeing them twice in the next two weeks, no babies in cars necessary. :))

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[info]slackeremeritus
2006-07-31 10:00 pm UTC (link)
Ooooh. That's actually rather nifty-sounding, the band actively encouraging a fanbase -- although not the wanky behaviour. Kind of feel sorry for the guys to have mildly nutters fans like that.

(Tee-hee. And have fun! :D)

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fallingfortruth
2006-07-31 10:14 pm UTC (link)
It really is. I'm lucky enough to have friends-of-friends that were there for the creation of the "original" Echelon, and in the early days they were essentially part fan-movement and part street team, which is where the "sticker, flyer, blahblahblah" part of the wank shows up, because a lot of more ardent fans don't consider you "true" Echelon until you've done Street Teamer stuff as well.

They're really fantastic in general, and all of them usually come out by the bus after shows and talk with and hug and get pictures with the ones who wait to see them.

Even the night that Jared got dropped on his head (right in front of me, homg, and the security guys didn't even TRY to catch him, despite the fact that he fell head first six feet onto the concrete floor) he came out after the show (after I had to leave, argh argh argh) and my best friend got hugs and he stayed out for a long time.

They're really awesome guys, and totally don't deserve the Really Batshit Fans.

(Although I'm glad that the RBF continue to buy their CDs and Merch.)

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[info]slackeremeritus
2006-07-31 10:31 pm UTC (link)
Ahh, yeah. I think I read a bit about the street team stuff when I looked up the band on Wikipedia a few months back (was curious after who they are and what/how many albums they might've released). I think it got a passing mention in the article, but I could be wrong; my memory can be glitchy that way.

Eeks, six feet onto concrete? My skull and spine ache in sympathy. But that he stayed for the after-show hangout seems to say a little something about his understanding for the necessity of fan loyalty (from a more business-like perspective), at least, if not how much he appreciates them.

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fallingfortruth
2006-07-31 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, his brother was out earlier to get pictures of everyone who had made things (Someone else and I both had gotten tattoos that they wanted to show him, and he gets pictures of everything fan related, and they eventually go up on their Flickr site) and we thought that they were done for the night because they were all so frazzled.

He stayed in the bus for a few hours and then came out. He was honestly pleased at how many people had stayed, and was apparently in a better mood than he usually is. Especially considering he sucker-punched the guard who didn't catch him in the head when he stood up, during the show.

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[info]slackeremeritus
2006-07-31 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Poor guard. ^^;

How the blazes did he just fall like that? Accidentally tossed himself off the stage, or got too close to the edge and slipped? Tripped on equipment? Or is it just something of a "holy shit, what happened?!" moment?

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fallingfortruth
2006-07-31 11:12 pm UTC (link)
He was crowd surfing, which he loves to do, and someone pushed him too hard and basically started a chain reaction. He ended up flying back towards the stage, and he had too much momentum for us to get ahold of him. There were two security guards right there, becuse they'd been pulling crowd surfers down all night, and they just stepped aside and let him fall.

He crowd surfs nearly every night, and has gotten shit from the security guards a rediculously huge amount. I blame it on the fact that when he's crowdsurfing it's pretty much impossible to tell him from a fan.

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[info]slackeremeritus
2006-07-31 11:35 pm UTC (link)
Yeowch. The Dangers of Crowd-Surfing. Possibly why, at the only two concerts for any band I've ever attended, I just contented myself with sitting back and trying to enjoy the music. The scenes up by the stages were just insane.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-12 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Actually, the band coined the Echelon street teamers...not the fans, The Echelon was made AS the bands die hard promotional base if you were there back when the site they used to used for the Echelon (that I don't think is up anymore) was all about missions, promotion, etc. Just a little FYI.

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fallingfortruth
2006-08-12 11:50 pm UTC (link)
I know that the band coined the name, but a few friends-of-friends were at some of the shows that immediately preceded the naming of the street team, and were among the first Echelon (in that they were officially named by Jared and the guys, in person).

I apologize if the way I phrased it made it seem like I was saying something else... The internets are cruel to idiosyncratic turns of phrase.

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[info]dreagonfli
2006-07-31 06:40 pm UTC (link)
What I don't understand is why anyone would fangirl over a douchebag like Jared Leto. Because he is a priiiiiick.

Their music is really good though.

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[info]buttercat
2006-07-31 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Ehhh he seems like a primadonna and he likes his girls barely legal, anorexic and coked out, but he's got a good voice I'll give him that.

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(Anonymous)
2006-07-31 07:43 pm UTC (link)
Apparently he is a pick throwing prick http://thirtysecondstomars.emiforums.com/index.php?showtopic=300099 HAHAHAHAA

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[info]lilithlotr
2006-07-31 06:48 pm UTC (link)
I'm Echelon - in fact, my board name is in the post above - and believe me, the fandom is just as batshit as pretty much any other one. I've been active in mainstream SF, media, skating and music fandoms over the past 30 years, and I can categorically state that no fandom is exempt.

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[info]yotz_fen
2006-07-31 08:26 pm UTC (link)
::my head hurts now::

And the "vaginal tunnels" thing was a joke right? Right?

(I'm going to have to remove 30STM off of my playlist for the rest of the day in honor of this mess.)

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flightstothesea
2006-07-31 09:40 pm UTC (link)
All I have to say is that 30 Seconds to Mars fans are fucking CRAZY.

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[info]sulla
2006-07-31 11:52 pm UTC (link)
That's right, damnit. Those fifteen year old girls screaming about the Leto brothers are INTIMIDATING.

Actually, you'd be surprised at just how intimidating those girls are if you get enough of them together and dangle Jared Leto in front of them. I went to a 30STM concert last month and I'm telling you, the second the band gets on the stage, these girls will kick you, bite you, try to climb you like Mt Everest and poke your eyes out in their attempt to get at the band. And the screams? My ears were ringing for DAYS.

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[info]elemcee
2006-08-01 02:29 pm UTC (link)
Word. Some teenaged girls are scary when they've got pretty band-members in front of them. *shudder*

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[info]panthea
2006-08-01 12:14 am UTC (link)
If you don't like moshing, stay home and listen to the CD!

Yes. Because that's the only reason people ever go to concerts. To mosh.

And to get knocked around like a rag doll, and doused with stale beer, and eventually have to give up stageside spots at the Pogues to go stand on the stairs and get groped by random passers-by, and eventually skip out on the encore because, the hell with the Pogues, you just can't take people touching you anymore.

Yeah, moshing, that's the way to go. Live music? Pfff. Who cares about that?

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2006-08-01 02:08 am UTC (link)
That's so funny, because I've always said the reverse: "Just want to get drunk and beat people up? Stay home and listen to the CD!"

I think mine makes a bit more sense, but I could just be biased (and mildly retarded after one too many kicks to the temple).

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[info]misswindy
2006-08-01 01:02 am UTC (link)
I don't get the hype. Those guys are all heinous and dirty looking. Jared Leto hasn't been pretty since he was Jordan Catalano. Oh, wait, sorry, he's "a musician who sometimes acts" now. \/\/

And on an unrelated note, I love how whenever a new fandom is featured on FW, everyone rushes to say "I had no idea people in the ____ fandom got so crazy!" Welcome to the Internet!

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[info]msmongi
2006-08-01 01:23 am UTC (link)
I think it's the need for hope that there's at least one completely sane fandom out there somewhere and that if we're good little fangirls and boys we will eventually find it. Like Christians and Heaven.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-01 04:26 am UTC (link)
I won the internet? Well HURRAH! Admittedly that sound file cracke dme up way more than it should have, pun more or less intended. ^_^ Yeesh, that is a board full of completely uptight people. Not all of them, but a handful.

Oh and ... MY AAASSSSS. :D

JulesKD, Kapunua on lj, Tilly on GAFF.

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[info]elemcee
2006-08-01 02:27 pm UTC (link)
because all women are whores and will give up their vaginal tunnels for anything.

Except, perhaps, Marysbuddha, maybe.

Also, stream teamers and fangirls do not have to be mutually exclusive.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-01 02:57 pm UTC (link)
Shouldn't this be on i_wank?

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-05 08:07 pm UTC (link)
[Error: Irreparable invalid markup ('<a [...] mary'sbuddha</a>') in entry. Owner must fix manually. Raw contents below.]

<a href="http://thirtysecondstomars.emiforums.com/index.php?showtopic=300227"Update from Mary'sBuddha</a>: I WAS JUST JOKING OMG LULZZ!!!!

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-05 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Update from Mary'sBuddha (http://thirtysecondstomars.emiforums.com/index.php?showtopic=300227): I WAS JUST JOKING OMG LULZZ!!!!

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