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Lotte Claire (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} lottelita) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} fandom_wank,@ 2006-08-05 10:59:00 |
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Well, aren't you just the cuuuutest little wank?
Aaaaren't you? Who's an adooorable, snugglable, cuddlable wank? Yes you are! Yes you are!
Ahem. Sorry. Subject matter got to me for a minute.
Because, you see, this wank is on CuteOverload, which can lead to unstoppable cooing, squeeing, sighing, and possible vomiting in all who dare view its unstoppable onslaught of baby-animal photos. It can also lead to wank. Observe:
CuteOverload posts a series of photos of a fat-cheeked baby encountering, examining, and "snorgling" (snort + snuggle) an anemic-looking puppy. The baby happens to be of apparently Asian descent, and the photos are annotated in Korean.
You see where this is going.
In the comments:
chinky (no, I am not making that up):
Um, did anyone notice that the Korean baby is trying to EAT the puppy?
DH:
Yes, we should all learn from these pics. Be nice to your food.
chunkstyle:
Wow, that really made my cute day :) puffy cheeks for all!
**ps, that racist comment above...pretty sad-I mean can't a baby have a moment with a pup? Ugh, sorry to bring it up, but it just sucked. :(
Tony James:
Pik 1 - the caption says "Welcome to Julia Child's Oriental Cooking".
Pik 2 - the kid is wearing chef's whites.
Pik 3 - "Will this puppy fit in my medium-sized baking tin?"
Pik 4 - the left hand is clearly doing some sort of stuffing.
Pik 5 - the caption says "To determine if the meat is cooked, the neck should have the resistance of rare fillet steak."
Kenny X:
Look, the comparison between Asians and dog eating jokes are getting old and quite racist.
Not unexpected but boring. If you're going to think of insults, at least be a little more creative.
Subhangi:
Oh, and PLEASE, PEOPLE. Can we get by without the racist/ killer baby/ whatnot comments for ONCE? This is a beautiful photo of two beautiful babies and that's that. Get a life, yo.
Lisa:
What's with all the racist "jokes". Bet if it had been a baby of any other nationality none of those comments would've even come up. Idiots....
Mandy:
Yawn, I guess CUTEOVERLOAD IS NOT immunue to racist idiots. They keep using the same "Korean eat dogs joke."
Tony James:
Hey Mandy - guess what? Some Koreans do eat dog, as do some Chinese. Hell, I've heard that some Americans eat cows - how gross is that?! GYAC, sweetheart.
enygma:
Man, I'm a Korean and I knew there would be some racist comments that follow along with this pic. It's a sad commentary that this kind of racism is just dismissed as a "joke." I'd like to see someone make these kinds of jokes about other ethnic minorities.
Yeah, that little smiley really hides the offensive content of the comment. Oriental? What the hell?
Tony James:
Enygma - "oriental" means "eastern". Perhaps you can explain how this word is offensive. Are we no longer allowed to refer to things in terms of where the are relative to where we stand? Perhaps we should start saying things like "The frontier states during a specific period of America's development where lawlessness was in evidence among some, but not all those who lived there," instead of "the wild west"?
Perhaps you would like to write to the authors of the 93 cookery books that Amazon lists as having "oriental" in the title, and ask them to change the name. Are we to call the Orient Express something else?
And I don't remember referencing a specific country - you do rather seem to have taken offence at something that doesn't exist. Might I humbly suggest that you haul the stick out of your ass?
RKS:
Oh dear.
In most circles, Oriental is considered both outdated and offensive. The only appropriate use of "Oriental" I can think of is in reference to carpets. In basically every other situation, "Asian" or "East Asian" is appropriate.
Obviously some older people still use the term because they aren't aware of how offensive it is, but why on earth would you deliberately choose to use a term that offends people?
Albertanator:
Man I cannot stand pee cee liberal thugs...I see we have some of them on this board!!
For peoples information, in some Oriental cultures, eating of dogs is commonplace....just like we eat cows and pigs...
IT IS not racist to point this out and makes some lighthearted jokes about it....
Many Hindus are digusted by us in North America that eat cows...so what ...let them be disgusted...I could carealess what they think....
And I sure people in the Near East don't care that we are appalled that they eat pooches....I don't like it but is common place in some societies!!
Freakin pee cee fascists....get a life....
PiePo:
Just face it people.. you wouldn't have even mentioned ANYTHING about the baby eating the puppy if the kid wasn't Asian.
If that baby had been white, or black, or hispanic... NO mention of the baby eating it would've even come up.
Light-hearted jokes my a--.
Mandy:
FOAD TJ. Not all Asians eat dogs, practice martial arts, or whatever you’re thinking in your little brain. I have to agree with Lisa; if this baby were a different nationality, none of these nasty comments would have shown up.
Speedreader:
I rarely make any comments here, I usually just enjoy the cuteness. And this is pretty darn cute. I do think this is a lighthearted joke and is in good fun, BUT some of the reactions have been very interesting. As cute and innocent as this picture seems, the dog-eating stereotype can really touch a nerve with some Asians. AND yes there can be a dark side to things that seem innocent and cute, and humor is often a very powerful way to spread racist ideas. For example, old racist cartoons, seemed cute and funny at the time, but look pretty terrible now. (Most of which are hard to find nowadays because the offending studios don't want people to know that Bugs Bunny and Popeye were members of the KKK!)
And I don't think this is picture is necessarily racist. But, this stereotype has been used negatively against Asians, specifically Koreans, and I have heard people make some nasty comments about Asians and eating dogs. I think there are people who don't understand the whole dog eating thing. Because, yes, they do eat dog meat in Korea, BUT it's not a staple of the diet, it's a rare speciality dish, and is becoming more and more unpopular as Korea becomes more "western" and people start keeping more dogs as pets. With some people, this practice of eating dog is considered shameful.
And yes, calling someone "Oriental" is incredibly out of date, it's like calling an African-American "colored." But in the context of Tony's comment, I think he got it right, because Julia Child would have called her show "Oriental" cooking.
chunkstyle:
Hey everyone. I am not a member of the PC police (a nice term made up by conservatives to demean people who try to be sensitive), but I think that I was right in assuming the first Korean-eating-dog post was racist in nature. If you notice, the username the person chose was "chinky"
Would you like to defend that TJ?
Julie:
The reason why I personally bristle at "Oriental" and "Koreans eat dogs" and all the other relatively light-hearted jabs at my race is that MOST people who say these phrases aren't as nuanced and aware as you all, and when they think of "Korea" they think of a bunch of yellow slant-eyes barbecuing Labradors with their buck teeth. And maybe the women, in their exotic Oriental mysterious beauty, are lovin' them long time and afterwards wash your feet, cook you a delicious Oriental breakfast, giggle a bit, and are otherwise identityless and harmless.
Believe it or not, even in the Bay Area, I confront people's stereotypes and "shock" people daily with what they consider unfeminine-Asian behavior.
And I say, F--- that s---.
That is why I bristle.
enygma:
TJ-I'll get the stick out of my ass once ignorance of your magnitude is wiped out. The term, "oriental," is offensive to Asians. And because several people have already given explained why, I'm not even going to bother. What I hate is how people just hide their ignorance and prejudice by claiming that others are being too "PC." It's not being PC if you have to deal with this kind of racist crap every day.
Sorry to inject this negativity into this comment section, but I can't just sit by and let this sort of thing slide. If the comments were made in ignorace, fine, now you know. Don't do it again knowingly.
There's also a long back-and-forth regarding the term "Oriental." And about six thousand comments about the cutey cute cute "bebe" and "puppeh" and oh lord I'm starting to feel sick. Maybe some barbequed schnauzer will settle my stomach ...
Aaaaren't you? Who's an adooorable, snugglable, cuddlable wank? Yes you are! Yes you are!
Ahem. Sorry. Subject matter got to me for a minute.
Because, you see, this wank is on CuteOverload, which can lead to unstoppable cooing, squeeing, sighing, and possible vomiting in all who dare view its unstoppable onslaught of baby-animal photos. It can also lead to wank. Observe:
CuteOverload posts a series of photos of a fat-cheeked baby encountering, examining, and "snorgling" (snort + snuggle) an anemic-looking puppy. The baby happens to be of apparently Asian descent, and the photos are annotated in Korean.
You see where this is going.
In the comments:
chinky (no, I am not making that up):
Um, did anyone notice that the Korean baby is trying to EAT the puppy?
DH:
Yes, we should all learn from these pics. Be nice to your food.
chunkstyle:
Wow, that really made my cute day :) puffy cheeks for all!
**ps, that racist comment above...pretty sad-I mean can't a baby have a moment with a pup? Ugh, sorry to bring it up, but it just sucked. :(
Tony James:
Pik 1 - the caption says "Welcome to Julia Child's Oriental Cooking".
Pik 2 - the kid is wearing chef's whites.
Pik 3 - "Will this puppy fit in my medium-sized baking tin?"
Pik 4 - the left hand is clearly doing some sort of stuffing.
Pik 5 - the caption says "To determine if the meat is cooked, the neck should have the resistance of rare fillet steak."
Kenny X:
Look, the comparison between Asians and dog eating jokes are getting old and quite racist.
Not unexpected but boring. If you're going to think of insults, at least be a little more creative.
Subhangi:
Oh, and PLEASE, PEOPLE. Can we get by without the racist/ killer baby/ whatnot comments for ONCE? This is a beautiful photo of two beautiful babies and that's that. Get a life, yo.
Lisa:
What's with all the racist "jokes". Bet if it had been a baby of any other nationality none of those comments would've even come up. Idiots....
Mandy:
Yawn, I guess CUTEOVERLOAD IS NOT immunue to racist idiots. They keep using the same "Korean eat dogs joke."
Tony James:
Hey Mandy - guess what? Some Koreans do eat dog, as do some Chinese. Hell, I've heard that some Americans eat cows - how gross is that?! GYAC, sweetheart.
enygma:
Man, I'm a Korean and I knew there would be some racist comments that follow along with this pic. It's a sad commentary that this kind of racism is just dismissed as a "joke." I'd like to see someone make these kinds of jokes about other ethnic minorities.
Yeah, that little smiley really hides the offensive content of the comment. Oriental? What the hell?
Tony James:
Enygma - "oriental" means "eastern". Perhaps you can explain how this word is offensive. Are we no longer allowed to refer to things in terms of where the are relative to where we stand? Perhaps we should start saying things like "The frontier states during a specific period of America's development where lawlessness was in evidence among some, but not all those who lived there," instead of "the wild west"?
Perhaps you would like to write to the authors of the 93 cookery books that Amazon lists as having "oriental" in the title, and ask them to change the name. Are we to call the Orient Express something else?
And I don't remember referencing a specific country - you do rather seem to have taken offence at something that doesn't exist. Might I humbly suggest that you haul the stick out of your ass?
RKS:
Oh dear.
In most circles, Oriental is considered both outdated and offensive. The only appropriate use of "Oriental" I can think of is in reference to carpets. In basically every other situation, "Asian" or "East Asian" is appropriate.
Obviously some older people still use the term because they aren't aware of how offensive it is, but why on earth would you deliberately choose to use a term that offends people?
Albertanator:
Man I cannot stand pee cee liberal thugs...I see we have some of them on this board!!
For peoples information, in some Oriental cultures, eating of dogs is commonplace....just like we eat cows and pigs...
IT IS not racist to point this out and makes some lighthearted jokes about it....
Many Hindus are digusted by us in North America that eat cows...so what ...let them be disgusted...I could carealess what they think....
And I sure people in the Near East don't care that we are appalled that they eat pooches....I don't like it but is common place in some societies!!
Freakin pee cee fascists....get a life....
PiePo:
Just face it people.. you wouldn't have even mentioned ANYTHING about the baby eating the puppy if the kid wasn't Asian.
If that baby had been white, or black, or hispanic... NO mention of the baby eating it would've even come up.
Light-hearted jokes my a--.
Mandy:
FOAD TJ. Not all Asians eat dogs, practice martial arts, or whatever you’re thinking in your little brain. I have to agree with Lisa; if this baby were a different nationality, none of these nasty comments would have shown up.
Speedreader:
I rarely make any comments here, I usually just enjoy the cuteness. And this is pretty darn cute. I do think this is a lighthearted joke and is in good fun, BUT some of the reactions have been very interesting. As cute and innocent as this picture seems, the dog-eating stereotype can really touch a nerve with some Asians. AND yes there can be a dark side to things that seem innocent and cute, and humor is often a very powerful way to spread racist ideas. For example, old racist cartoons, seemed cute and funny at the time, but look pretty terrible now. (Most of which are hard to find nowadays because the offending studios don't want people to know that Bugs Bunny and Popeye were members of the KKK!)
And I don't think this is picture is necessarily racist. But, this stereotype has been used negatively against Asians, specifically Koreans, and I have heard people make some nasty comments about Asians and eating dogs. I think there are people who don't understand the whole dog eating thing. Because, yes, they do eat dog meat in Korea, BUT it's not a staple of the diet, it's a rare speciality dish, and is becoming more and more unpopular as Korea becomes more "western" and people start keeping more dogs as pets. With some people, this practice of eating dog is considered shameful.
And yes, calling someone "Oriental" is incredibly out of date, it's like calling an African-American "colored." But in the context of Tony's comment, I think he got it right, because Julia Child would have called her show "Oriental" cooking.
chunkstyle:
Hey everyone. I am not a member of the PC police (a nice term made up by conservatives to demean people who try to be sensitive), but I think that I was right in assuming the first Korean-eating-dog post was racist in nature. If you notice, the username the person chose was "chinky"
Would you like to defend that TJ?
Julie:
The reason why I personally bristle at "Oriental" and "Koreans eat dogs" and all the other relatively light-hearted jabs at my race is that MOST people who say these phrases aren't as nuanced and aware as you all, and when they think of "Korea" they think of a bunch of yellow slant-eyes barbecuing Labradors with their buck teeth. And maybe the women, in their exotic Oriental mysterious beauty, are lovin' them long time and afterwards wash your feet, cook you a delicious Oriental breakfast, giggle a bit, and are otherwise identityless and harmless.
Believe it or not, even in the Bay Area, I confront people's stereotypes and "shock" people daily with what they consider unfeminine-Asian behavior.
And I say, F--- that s---.
That is why I bristle.
enygma:
TJ-I'll get the stick out of my ass once ignorance of your magnitude is wiped out. The term, "oriental," is offensive to Asians. And because several people have already given explained why, I'm not even going to bother. What I hate is how people just hide their ignorance and prejudice by claiming that others are being too "PC." It's not being PC if you have to deal with this kind of racist crap every day.
Sorry to inject this negativity into this comment section, but I can't just sit by and let this sort of thing slide. If the comments were made in ignorace, fine, now you know. Don't do it again knowingly.
There's also a long back-and-forth regarding the term "Oriental." And about six thousand comments about the cutey cute cute "bebe" and "puppeh" and oh lord I'm starting to feel sick. Maybe some barbequed schnauzer will settle my stomach ...
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