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Milkshake Butterfly ([info]m_butterfly) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-08-17 22:05:00


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Entry tags:fandom: doctor who

A Nice Light Who Wank
So, who needs a palate-cleanser after all the HP and b_p things of this last week? I know I do, and this one comes with french fries.

[info]time_and_chips is known to many wankers and many Who fans as the home of the crazy Doctor/Rose fans, who have even acquired their own name: the batchippers. But reassuringly, it also seems to be the home of the sane shippers as well, or at least the "not that crazy" shippers.

When it comes to the first kind, though, [info]range_heidi knows her audience, or at least thinks she does. She posts an internet petition to the community including only two lines of explanation, one being, "If you still need convincing, read my statement and I'm sure you'll be convinced."

What is this incredibly eloquent argument she's sure will win anyone over, and what the petition is about? Well, the full text can be found here right now, but it includes the following gems:

"From day one, Rose has been a perfect match for the Doctor. She is his equal in every possible way, apart from maybe the scientific knowledge. Because Rose is so different from any human the Doctor has ever met, she manages to surprise and challenge him day after day. She has bravery, a sense of humor, and a quirky side to match his. She’s an independent thinker, always ready with a solution on the off-chance that the Doctor might not be on the ball for a change. In many ways, she completes him.

Ever since the moment I watched my first Dr Who episode, I have been enamored with the growing relationship between the Doctor and Rose. Their interaction and dynamic is fantastic, it’s real with its ups and downs, and a beautiful love-story that keeps the audience captivated. Having the Doctor lose the love of his life was cruel, and to put another woman in there as if she could just jump in and replace Rose, it’s quite frankly an insult to the bond they shared.

What if the Doctor searched time and space for a way back to his Rose? What if we could follow Rose struggling and failing to move on with life without him, follow the Doctor searching every corner of the universe for a glimpse of hope. Now that would keep an audience captivated, that would be an adventure!

Please do us -Rose’s fans- the favor of at least entertaining the idea. The audience are the people who keep Dr Who on the air, so please, listen to them."
(As I write this, the Doctor, Rose, and Rose's mother have all signed the petition. Jackie's is particularly moving, I felt. Supposedly the Three Bears signed earlier but have been voided.)

Startlingly, the community is largely unmoved by this impassioned and exceedingly well-reasoned plea, as several members instantly post comments expressing their devout hope that the range_heidi is joking.

range_heidi wants to know why they would think that.

And it all goes downhill from there.

We get:
- Accusations that people are being insulting.
- Suggestions that K9 the robot dog was better for the Doctor than Rose. (There goes several people's childhoods.)
- Speculation about range_heidi being a troll or sockpuppet. (She is the latter, but like they always do, she claims to have a good reason.)
- Indignant demands to know why someone who dislikes a character in a pairing is in its shipping comm. (With an answer everyone around here can respect.)
- Complaints about how spinoffs are all 'ridiculous'.
- Discussions of how stupid it is to already like Martha when she's never been on-screen.
- The interesting fact that she spammed other communities with this (Here at the least; I cannot explain why she chose to ignore rose_lives, which you'd think would be the obvious choice.)
- Apologies for how omgmean everyone was to the OP.
- A simultaneous case of both whining and attempting to appear superior.
- And, of course, pedantry.

Bonus: that's just the first ten threads! All this, plus an inevitable Fandom Wank name-check. Come on in, folks; it's a Doctor Who wank that isn't largely incomprehensible to outsiders, yet has touches of damn near half the wanks the fandom has had all year, and it's as close to friendly as Who wank gets. All tied up in a shiny bow, just for us. (As seen on clairvoyant wank.)



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[info]velvet_mace
2006-08-18 04:41 am UTC (link)
You know, this is precisely why Fanfic exists! So you can have still have your ship even after it's sailed.

That petition was embarassing. As a person whose actually watched a fair amount of the orriginal run of the series, the Doctor (in his various incarnations) has gotten along fantastically with MOST of his companions -- and yet, left they did.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-18 04:45 am UTC (link)
...I wonder what would happen if I told her that I was always kinda partial to Tegan and the Fifth, myself. That, in fact, it's one of my guilty reading pleasures.

Ahhhh, wank. Love it.

SLWatson @ LiveJournal

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(no subject) - [info]darthsemicolon, 2006-08-18 06:53 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]wal_lace, 2006-08-19 11:41 pm UTC

[info]oar
2006-08-18 04:51 am UTC (link)
What if the Doctor searched time and space for a way back to his Rose? What if we could follow Rose struggling and failing to move on with life without him, follow the Doctor searching every corner of the universe for a glimpse of hope.

Can I just nth all the comments about how this would make a terrible show? The whole falling-to-pieces-without-each-other thing only works in specific circumstances; most of the time it just looks desperate and creepy.

To give an example: John and Aeryn from Farscape could pull it off, because they're both a tad bit fucked in the head. And the audience is aware of this and the general fucked-up-ness of the universe around them, so it's acceptable to them. Whereas Doctor Who is overall much more optimistic and less fucked up, so two main characters suddenly acting delusional would throw everyone for a loop and make the tone a lot darker. And that's only if it were played intentionally creepy. Unintentially, it's just turning the show into a big pile of crap.

And I think these people completely missed the fact that the Doctor was trying to push Rose away during Doomsday. If I recall correctly, it was his idea in the first place for her to go live in the AltVerse with her family. I know that the man has the attention span of a mildly concussed goldfish, but he's not going to do a total 180 like that in the space of a few hours.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-08-18 05:33 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2006-08-18 04:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-08-19 09:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yattara, 2006-08-19 01:54 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-08-18 04:51 am UTC (link)
Personally, I think the new Who could use a K9..

Except make him a Pitbull, with hover feet.. oooh, and leg blades.. and.. and.. a back mounted chainsaw. And give him a cockney accent and have him hook up with an Alternate Universe Captain Jack.. so they can fight crime.. crime and Cybermen!

Of course, I could just be hopped up on caffiene..


Makeshyft, vibrating at the speed of coffee over at LJ.

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(no subject) - [info]altoidsaddict, 2006-08-18 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - coreopsis, 2006-08-18 03:19 pm UTC

[info]livii
2006-08-18 04:57 am UTC (link)
She ignored rose_lives cos she knows I have the MOD FIST OF DOOM and would have deleted it. Actually, in good conscience I couldn't have deleted it, but I would have MOCKED IT MERCILESSLY. Ys.

I am soooo proud of T&C for being all sensible. I do ship Doctor/Rose still (especially other!Doctors/Rose, whee!) but usually am v. v. quiet about it cos lo, so many of the shippers are INSANE. I love Rose too zomg don't kick me out of fandom I love the old skool too.

I am totally starting a petition to bring back William Russell. Bessie was also suggested - imagining Ten's face when he saw her? Fucking rock. My husband suggested a petition for Peri but that's just being plain mean.

I actually am sad that mebbe she didn't know about rose_lives? Cos I have not done much in the way of promoting it. Woe. On the other hand, then we didn't get the batshittery. Is that a win?

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(no subject) - [info]jeanne, 2006-08-18 05:00 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-08-18 05:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]livii, 2006-08-18 05:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sharps, 2006-08-18 06:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bitch_ass_hoe, 2006-08-19 01:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sharps, 2006-08-19 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jerel, 2006-08-19 02:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jeanne, 2006-08-18 05:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]livii, 2006-08-18 05:56 am UTC
(no subject) - nam_jai, 2006-08-18 05:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]livii, 2006-08-18 09:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-08-19 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]livii, 2006-08-19 09:34 pm UTC
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[info]msilverstar
2006-08-18 05:15 am UTC (link)
Um? What part of the fact that they're filming the next episodes with Martha did she not notice? This, like most internet petitions, is in some alternate universe where time doesn't work the way it does here.

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[info]hooverdam
2006-08-18 05:27 am UTC (link)
As I write this, the Doctor, Rose, and Rose's mother have all signed the petition. Jackie's is particularly moving, I felt. Supposedly the Three Bears signed earlier but have been voided

That's about the only good thing to do with internet petitions. You've got your obvious joke names like Heywood Jablowme, Mike Hunt, Phil McCracken, celebrity impersonations (Nixon and Elvis are always good), fictional characters, etc. For a fun twist, visit a public domain poetry archive and post all or part of a poem in the comments field. Emily Dickinson's pretty good for this, since her stuff's usually pretty short.

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Emily Dickinson signs an Internet petition: - (Anonymous), 2006-08-18 02:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2006-08-18 04:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]warrioreowyn, 2006-08-18 10:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2006-08-18 10:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jerel, 2006-08-19 03:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rikiki, 2006-08-18 09:35 pm UTC

[info]puipui
2006-08-18 05:42 am UTC (link)
I bet the Jackie/Howard shippers got really upset.

Hee!

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[info]hyaenid
2006-08-18 05:43 am UTC (link)
Wait, I thought Billie Piper was the one who called it quits.

So what, Delusional Fangirl, the BBC should break down her door, drag her back and make her film, or the ex-husband gets it?

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(no subject) - [info]janegraddell, 2006-08-18 06:35 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]palabradot, 2006-08-18 12:56 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-08-19 09:11 am UTC
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[info]palabradot
2006-08-18 05:53 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one thinking "For the love of god, fanits, no Companion totally *replaces* another in the Doctor's memory?" The Doctor's older than the lot of them, and Companions come and go. That's the way of it. They are not utterly forgotten (that I know of - I'm no Doc Who scholar, but that's how I see it.)

Good lord, sit down and watch the show like a sane person. Sure, he's gonna miss Rose, but when he meets Martha he's not about to go 'Rose? Rose who?'

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-08-18 06:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jeanne, 2006-08-18 06:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]danel4d, 2006-08-18 07:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]doyle, 2006-08-18 01:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-18 03:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jerel, 2006-08-19 03:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-08-19 09:12 am UTC

[info]puipui
2006-08-18 06:11 am UTC (link)
A special episode that could be turned into a series if it got good ratings, much like the Sarah-Jane special that's getting made.

WHAT WHAT WHAT? OMG if they are doing an update of K-9 and Company, I swear they will be able to hear me squee on set in Cardiff.

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(no subject) - [info]darthsemicolon, 2006-08-18 06:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]livii, 2006-08-18 09:17 am UTC
Yeah, I'm spamming the place up.
[info]puipui
2006-08-18 06:20 am UTC (link)
Anyway, Rose is dead. She got squashed by a piano on YouTube.

I NEED LINKS OMG!

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Re: Yeah, I'm spamming the place up. - [info]sogrammatical, 2006-08-18 07:43 am UTC
Re: Yeah, I'm spamming the place up. - [info]puipui, 2006-08-18 07:50 am UTC
Re: Yeah, I'm spamming the place up. - [info]drakyndra, 2006-08-19 09:13 am UTC
Four days late. In internet time, that's almost ten years. Sorry. - (Anonymous), 2006-08-21 04:34 pm UTC
Re: Four days late. In internet time, that's almost ten years. Sorry. - [info]seether, 2006-08-22 04:04 am UTC
Re: Four days late. In internet time, that's almost ten years. Sorry. - (Anonymous), 2006-08-22 03:50 pm UTC
Re: Four days late. In internet time, that's almost ten years. Sorry. - (Anonymous), 2006-08-22 04:15 pm UTC
Re: Four days late. In internet time, that's almost ten years. Sorry. - (Anonymous), 2006-08-22 11:55 pm UTC
Re: Four days late. In internet time, that's almost ten years. Sorry. - [info]seether, 2006-08-22 10:48 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-08-18 06:30 am UTC (link)
OMG... STFU already n00b shippers! I, personally, coudl go into my own diatribe about how Zoe/Liz/Sarah Jane/Romana/Adric/Turlough/Mel/Ace were perfect for him... but I won't. Why? Because I knwo better. I know he loves (interpret that word as you will) his companions, all of them. And while I do think Ace is better than that chav Rose, I don't wank my little head off about it.

(I never understood the appeal of the 5/Tegan ship, mind you. Maybe that's because i think Tegan's a bitch)

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[info]darthsemicolon
2006-08-18 06:55 am UTC (link)
I think that K-9's better for the Doctor than Rose.

...er, maybe not in a romantic sense.

*hides the fic*

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-18 06:55 am UTC (link)
Yes, but what are her thoughts on YAOI?

(Or, better yet, hot Nine/Jack BDSM fuckery. Or Nine/Ten. Because we could all use some Nine/Ten--or is that just me?)

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(no subject) - [info]darthsemicolon, 2006-08-18 06:58 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-18 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]candy, 2006-08-18 08:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jerel, 2006-08-19 03:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-18 07:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-08-18 10:19 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-18 07:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-08-19 09:14 am UTC

[info]suzuran_sumire
2006-08-18 07:06 am UTC (link)
Pfft, online petitions always makes me think of the FFN that went around to stop NC-17 fics from being deleted. That worked out well.

Besides, it's all about 5/Nyssa anyway. >;)



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(no subject) - [info]danel4d, 2006-08-18 07:47 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-08-18 09:14 am UTC
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[info]truly
2006-08-18 07:29 am UTC (link)
Oh yes, this has cleansed the palate very nicely. Batchippery will be the word of the day.

There have been many companions: strong or soft, grating or soothing. One is gone and another pops up. The Doctor should really get a companion named Kleenex.

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[info]eponine
2006-08-18 07:40 am UTC (link)
Reading time_and_chips only serves to make me embarrassed to be a Doctor Who fan.

So why am I still a member? :/

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2006-08-18 07:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gloria_mundi, 2006-08-18 08:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]aristaea, 2006-08-18 02:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gloria_mundi, 2006-08-19 05:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]roonil_wazlib, 2006-08-18 09:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]m_butterfly, 2006-08-18 10:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-08-19 09:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eponine, 2006-08-19 11:27 pm UTC

[info]roonil_wazlib
2006-08-18 09:25 am UTC (link)
She popped up at [info]billie_love as well, though to a slightly less dramatic response.

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[info]doyle
2006-08-18 09:42 am UTC (link)
I am in an embarrassing number of those threads. It was a slow day at work yesterday.

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(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2006-08-18 11:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]doyle, 2006-08-18 01:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2006-08-18 03:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doyle, 2006-08-18 03:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2006-08-18 03:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doyle, 2006-08-18 03:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2006-08-18 03:52 pm UTC

catatonia
2006-08-18 09:55 am UTC (link)
From the info page: DO NOT POST ABOUT THE HELLO! MAGAZINE VOTE. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL BE BANNED.

Now I'm curious. Does anyone know what this is about?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-18 10:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2006-08-18 10:57 am UTC
(no subject) - catatonia, 2006-08-18 12:04 pm UTC
Thanks
(Anonymous)
2006-08-18 10:05 am UTC (link)
Batchippery is my new favorite fandom word! *chortle*

-Nefret

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[info]minibalrogmum
2006-08-18 10:53 am UTC (link)
So it got on f_w after all - ah well, fun was had by nearly all and sanity reigned. Sanity is always hot. Mmmm.

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(no subject) - [info]tooticki, 2006-08-18 01:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]minibalrogmum, 2006-08-18 03:26 pm UTC

[info]shaggydogstail
2006-08-18 01:27 pm UTC (link)
Number of unvoided signatures on the petition - 38
Number of comments to the Time_and_Chips post telling heidi_range not to be so silly, suggesting we'd be better of petitioning the BBC to put the Doctor in a kilt, pondering the possibilities for companion femmeslash etc - 452

*sighs* I couldn't be more proud.

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(no subject) - [info]yotz_fen, 2006-08-18 08:22 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-08-18 01:38 pm UTC (link)
It's things like this that make me feel shamed to still be part of that comm.

Nine/Rose shippers on the whole seemed to be much more sane, then came along pretty Ten and the 'OMGTHEYLOVEEACHOTHER1!1!!' so not subtle writing and it all went batshit.

It seems if you don't see the OMG LOVE they have you're not a true fan yadda, yadda, yadda.

It's reminding me a hellva lot of the old B/A vs S/B vs C/A ship wars of old, and I'm too old for that crap.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-18 09:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yotz_fen, 2006-08-18 10:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-19 02:03 am UTC
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