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Milkshake Butterfly ([info]m_butterfly) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-08-21 10:27:00


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Entry tags:fandom: stargate: atlantis

SGA Fandom on SGA Fanfic: It's *all* just theft anyway, right?
Over in SGA fandom, where the men are women and the women are... also women, there's trouble brewing in the paradise that is [info]sga_flashfic, home of possibly even more crackfic than the rest of the fandom has. Speranza ([info]cesperanza) has come up with a new idea for a challenge: Mission Reports! It's got three different possible options, and options A and B are about par for the course, but option C is a little different:

"take another author's story and write a report of type a or b for it."
But what makes it truly special is this:
"Now to clarify about option c)--if you choose to write a mission report of somebody else's story, we'll ask you to credit them, but we won't require you to ask their permission (though obviously, you're free to do so and it's always a good idea). HOWEVER, if you want to opt OUT of option c)--i.e. tell people that they can't write a mission report of your story or stories, even with credit--please leave a comment in this post ASAP."
For those of you lost, she's basically saying that anyone can write up a story based on and remixing another author's story without needing their permission, and if you don't want to have someone do that to your story, you need to speak up now or it's assumed you're down with it.

As you might imagine, this does not go over well.

At all.

Four comments down, things get jiggy, when [info]kyrdwyn asks the fairly sensible question:
"Also, sorry, another thought I had - are you limiting the writers we can choose from to sga_flashfic members, or is anyone who has ever written SGA fic fair game? Because if they're not on the list, they won't know to opt out, and I know a lot of writers who might like to opt out for whatever reason."
And just about everyone shows up to take exception!

You've got hth ([info]hth_the_first):
"Right, because God forbid we write stories that make use of ideas someone else came up with. I personally write to Martin Gero before each and every story I post on the internet to clear it with him; I keep his postcards in a little file folder in my fireproof safe so that I can pull them out and show them to anyone who asks."
Sarah T ([info]harriet_spy):
"Especially if it's a Sheppard/Teyla spin! That's *extra* gross, you know! I feel violated just thinking about it."
Livia Penn ([info]liviapenn) hastily defending Sarah T with links:
"Er, I assure you, she was definitely just being sarcastic."
An anonmouse replying to Sarah T:
"i hope someone remixes one of your fics so rodney kills teyla."
And that's just within the first real subthread.

In the other comments, people scold, and scold, and scold, and scold--there's even preschool teacher scolding--and grant very odd forms of permission. That little condition is apparently a bigger source of concern than you'd think, because it also shows up in rosewildeirish's post on the subject, if not the countless other posts about it. But not everyone disagrees--some people think they haven't gone far enough.

And the best thing is: this hasn't even been up a full twelve hours yet. Pass along a link to the unfolding drama and get a cookie!


ETA: And at just barely shy of the twelve hour mark, Speranza freezes the original post and puts up a new post revising the rules and proceedures for this challenge. However, it's worth noting that they "remain philosophically committed to the idea that people have the right to make art based on other art provided that due credit is given the original artist".

I'd offer to take bets on whether more wank is in the offing, but I don't believe anyone around here is that naive.


Links at this point provided by just about everybody. Thanks, y'all.


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(Anonymous)
2006-08-21 07:34 pm UTC (link)
*lol* Why is that?, i mean we do have some high profile fans, but not the kind that people fall automatically on their knees to kiss their asses. Something i never quite understood on the HP fandom, the HP BNFs were just people with over inflated egos who wrote overrated and crappy fanfiction, and yet some people seemed obnubilated making a bunch of nobodies into fandom celebrities.
I've never seen people doing that on SG, might have happened, but i didn't see it.

luisa_f@lj

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[info]ladysorka
2006-08-21 08:01 pm UTC (link)
...Speranza, Shalott, Resonant, Torch, Basingstoke, Punk, Seperis, Pru, etc. etc. etc.

Um. If you don't consider at least most of the above BNFs, I'd really like to know what your qualifications are.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-21 08:13 pm UTC (link)
Huh!? Really!?, they're considered BNFs?, i don't know, maybe it's because i know fic writers, and people who own comms and to me they're just another fan, but i didn't know these people were considered BNFs.
This has been most enlightening, i had no idea we had BNFs on the SG fandom. But of course makes perfect sense, we have everything else.

luisa_f@lj

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[info]m_butterfly
2006-08-21 11:05 pm UTC (link)
If you put Cassie Claire and Shalott in a cage fight of BNFdom, I'm actually fairly certain Shalott would win.

She doesn't ask for iPods. But if she did, she would get them. And it wouldn't make fandom_wank.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-21 11:37 pm UTC (link)
In all honesty, i didn't think they were all that important, sure i've seen their names, but never mentioned in the context of BNFness. Like it was with the HP BNFs where the fandom couldn't make a decision without consulting them first. Or the X-Files BNFs who had characters named after them (okay just one and only because she die but still). I've seen fans who are in direct contact with tptb, and the actors, fans with sites, communities, fanfiction, and all the things fans do, but i never thought we had high scale BNFs. And also because i'd always thought people from the SG fandom wouldn't allow themselves to be manipulated by a BNF, maybe i've overestimated them, i don't know. Pardon my disbelief, but are they really that big?.

luisa_f@lj

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[info]ladysorka
2006-08-21 11:50 pm UTC (link)
...I suppose it depends on how you define BNF. As most of the names that I gave aren't Stargate BNFs. They're panfandom BNFs. Ask most anyone in Stargate, Due South, The Sentinel, Smallville, Harry Potter, etc, and they're going to know at least one of those names, probably more.

The thing is, outside of Harry Potter, most fandoms don't have single fandom BNFs anymore. To be amazingly quaint, the age of the single fandom BNF is over. It's all about panfandom BNFs. They're the people that other fans follow to a fandom, just so that they can be reading the work of the BNFs. They influence the fanon. They influence the episode reactions. And they pretty much come into each new fandom already a BNF. They never have to work up the ladder, because they're already at the top.

*shrugs* I don't see a BNF as someone who "manipulates" other people, or someone in contact with TPTB. A BNF is someone who is massively well known, heavily influences the fanon and meta around them (and not generally on purpose), and who can, with the posting of a single story, bring hundreds of people with them into their brand new fandom. That's a BNF.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-22 01:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jat_sapphire, 2006-08-22 02:25 am UTC

[info]ladysorka
2006-08-21 11:53 pm UTC (link)
As an example of this, Shalott's "A Beautiful Lifetime Event" was heavily recced panfandom. It got a lot of new people into SGA - a lot of people who hadn't previously seen the show. So they took the characterizations from that story, and took them as canon, and then took that interpretation from that story into their reading of canon upon first watching it. SGA fandom before ABLE was completely different than SGA fandom after it.

I'm not saying that that's good or bad; it simply is.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-22 12:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]penemuel, 2006-08-22 04:16 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-08-22 11:35 am UTC (link)
That? Made me laugh harder than you could ever know.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-21 11:42 pm UTC (link)
Remind me again why every spazzes out over Shalott? I continue to be underwhelmed by her body of work. Every time she writes something new, I read it thinking I've somehow missed the "obvious" brilliance since everyone else is fap-fap-fapping away over it. And yet.

--confusedmousie

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-21 11:43 pm UTC (link)
...why everyONE spazzes. Yes, I know how to type.

--confusedandincoherentmousie

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[info]bookshop
2006-08-22 01:36 am UTC (link)
People spazz over Shalott because in every single damn fandom she writes, she manages to write something pivotal, something monumental that captures the essence of that particular ship, and something that manages to prove essential to the development of that particular fanon.

Every. Damn Time.

She is brilliant.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-22 03:57 am UTC (link)
Hmm. I consider her a fine writer, but more of a one-character writer, if you know what I mean. Her Rodney is excellent, just the way one loves him. But her John pales so badly in comparison and that jars me out of things.

That said - if she writes SGA, I read it.

-MM

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-22 02:05 pm UTC (link)
I liked her John in Time In A Bottle if only for the sexbot discussion because I could easily picture a discussion like it on the show.

Maybe not about sexbots, of course, but still.

And while I like Transcendental (it's plotty!), yeah that's her version of John I'm not sure I've ever bought into.

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[info]afrai
2006-08-22 03:16 pm UTC (link)
Her fic is just immensely enjoyable, I think. It's well-written; it hits people's buttons; it has generally got interesting plots and emotional arcs. People like reading her fic.

She doesn't do anything eye-popping, but toe-curling? Definitely. She's no grand artiste, maybe, but she is a damned good craftsman. (Craftsperson!) Her stories work.

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[info]sgtgeorgecarter
2006-08-23 01:32 am UTC (link)
You got me there... But fortunately this herd hasn't run over any of my little old school fandoms, so I'm happy.

Honestly I'd be more than pleased if my small, old school fandoms remained mercifully free of the fannish butterfly herd that tramples new things in its wake as it migrates from shiny new to shiny new.

These people are not in it for the show, they are in it for 'the writing' whether it actually has anything to do with the show or not. I wish them happiness but not in my fandoms thanks.

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[info]melyanna
2006-08-22 12:57 am UTC (link)
I consider myself pretty active in SGA and I don't think I've ever seen any of those people.

This is because I avoid McKay/Sheppard like the plague, isn't it?

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[info]ladysorka
2006-08-22 01:02 am UTC (link)
Actually, with most of those names if you've never heard of them I'd just assume you were a het or gen fan who never ventured over to the slash areas at all, since they're pretty well known in a lot of fandoms.

I could, of course, be wrong.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-22 01:06 am UTC (link)
I could, of course, be wrong.

No. I don't think you are.

I'd also venture that most of these people who don't know any of the names have been in online fandom, Stargate or other, on average no more than six years.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-22 01:51 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-22 12:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-08-26 12:08 am UTC

[info]melyanna
2006-08-22 01:10 am UTC (link)
I'll admit, I don't read slash, but I generally at least know people's names. Have they mostly been in TV fandoms or something? This is my first fandom of that variety.

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(no subject) - [info]ladysorka, 2006-08-22 01:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melyanna, 2006-08-22 01:17 am UTC

[info]melyanna
2006-08-22 01:16 am UTC (link)
And an addendum... looking at the list, there's a couple names that ring a bell, but I wouldn't see the name and say, "Oh, they wrote such-and-such." So I might recognize the name, but it's the same as me recognizing Shezan from Star Wars fandom when seeing her name in all the HP wank. Vague recollection of the name and might be able to name a ship she's into, but couldn't tell you the first thing about her.

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(no subject) - [info]squib, 2006-08-22 02:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]melyanna, 2006-08-22 02:59 am UTC

[info]iamtheenemy
2006-08-22 09:19 am UTC (link)
Your BNF-naming cred is so being revoked for forgetting sabine, shrift, merry, nestra, madelyn and slodwick.

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[info]ladysorka
2006-08-22 03:34 pm UTC (link)
...but, but I used the word "etc!"

*pouts*

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[info]katarin
2006-08-23 07:41 am UTC (link)
is Sarah T. a part of the big BNF bananza now? And on the het side of fandom no less!

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[info]m_butterfly
2006-08-23 08:31 pm UTC (link)
I think it's just that around here, her BNF status is always obscured by her Wank status. She's Classic Wank.

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[info]white_serpent
2006-10-02 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Resonant's Transfigurations and The Familiar are excellent, and they're not even pairings I like.

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