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get bent, stupid people ([info]tianxiaode) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-08-28 23:47:00


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Entry tags:creator wank, person: harlan ellison

Worldcon Wanker
The links speak for themselves--short form:

According to Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Harlan Ellison apparently groped Connie Willis onstage at the Hugo awards.

Rachel Manija Brown has her own run-in with Mr. Ellison.

Cristalia calls for a "fatwa" against him.
(there are several more links at the bottom of this entry)

Maradydd offers face punching.

Posting in [info]fandom_wank because as far as I can tell, it's not going to wait to explode, especially with [info]cristalia's post, much less Mr. Ellison's actions.

EDIT:
The photo is here, fourth one down...but at least Morena Baccarin is pretty. /shallow

BASTARD SON OF EDIT: The photo that I originally saw doesn't seem to be on that page anymore. But Morena is still pretty.

UPDATE OF EDIT: Some discussion of Connie Willis' reaction at Elizabeth Bear's journal.

UPDATE OF BASTARD SON: Harlan aplogizes. And it sounds (kind of) sincere. And he mentions JF specifically. And I boggle.


Edited to read in chronological order.



HARLAN ELLISON
- Tuesday, August 29 2006 12:19:50
REPLY TO LYNNE BATIK:

Would you believe that, having left the Hugo ceremonies immediately after my part in it, while it was still in progress ... and having left the hall entirely ... yet having been around later that night for Kieth Kato's traditional chili party ... and having taken off next morning for return home ... and not having the internet facility to open "journalfen" (or whatever it is), I was unaware of any problem proceeding from my intendedly-childlike grabbing of Connie Willis's left breast, as she was exhorting me to behave.

Nonetheless, despite my only becoming aware of this brouhaha right this moment (12 noon LA time, Tuesday the 29th), three days after the digital spasm that seems to be in uproar ...YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!

iT IS UNCONSCIONABLE FOR A MAN TO GRAB A WOMAN'S BREAST WITHOUT HER EXPLICIT PERMISSION. To do otherwise is to go 'way over the line in terms of invasion of someone's personal space. It is crude behavior at best, and actionable behavior at worst. When George W> Bush massaged the back of the neck of that female foreign dignitary, we were all justly appalled. For me to grab Connie's breast is in excusable, indefensible, gauche, and properly offensive to any observers or those who heard of it later.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I've called Connie. Haven't heard back from her yet. Maybe I never will.

So. What now, folks? It's not as if I haven't been a politically incorrect creature in the past. But apparently, Lynne, my 72 years of indefensible, gauche (yet for the most part classy), horrifying, jaw-dropping, sophomoric, sometimes imbecile behavior hasn't--till now--reached your level of outrage.

I'm glad, at last, to have transcended your expectations. I stand naked and defenseless before your absolutely correct chiding.

With genuine thanks for the post, and celestial affection, I remain, puckishly,

Yr. pal, Harlan

P.S. You have my permission to repost this reply anywhere you choose, on journalfen, at SFWA, on every blog in the universe, and even as graffiti on the Great Wall of China.


HARLAN ELLISON
- Tuesday, August 29 2006 12:26:56
CONNIE WILLIS'S LEFT BREAST, REDUX

Did I fail to mention, I am 100% guilty as charged, and NO ONE should attempt to cobble up mitigating excuses for my behavior? As with everything else I REALLY DO (as opposed to the bullshit that is gossiped third-hand by dolts), I am responsible for my actions 100% and am prepared to shoulder all consequences, instead of shunting them off to Vice-President ScaryGuy.

Adultly said, Yr. pal, Harlan


HARLAN ELLISON
- Tuesday, August 29 2006 12:28:31
REDUX, REDUX'D

This may be what killed vaudeville.

he


HARLAN ELLISON
- Tuesday, August 29 2006 12:31:1
REDUX TERTIUS

How's chances of me playing either the "I'm an old man and my brain is leaking out of my ass" card ... or ... even better ...

"I'm an old Jew and this is just another example of anti-Semitism because all you goyim are pissed that Jews really DO control the whole world."

I can go either way.

Yr. pal, Harlan


HARLAN ELLISON
- Tuesday, August 29 2006 12:43:2
ONCE MORE INTO THE BREACH

On a more serious note: if, in fact, Connie (or Courtney, or Cordelia) were/are/might in any way be offended by this latest demonstration of give'n'take jackanapery between Connie and Harlan (now in its longest-run on Broadway), you may all rest assured I will apologize vehemently, will crawl to Colorado through broken glass and steaming embers, and beg her (their) forgiveness. I need no one to prompt me.

Harlan Ellison, a friend of Connie Willis



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[info]sorchar
2006-08-29 06:00 am UTC (link)
Your third link is just a link to reply to this post. Plz to fix?

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(no subject) - [info]tianxiaode, 2006-08-29 06:11 am UTC
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[info]jetamors
2006-08-29 06:10 am UTC (link)
Good grief. I've never wanted to go to a con before, but I now have the intense desire to sign up for the next one he'll be at just to kick him in the nuts.

Disclaimer: [info]jetamors has no money for cons, and probably wouldn't go to one even if she did.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 06:21 am UTC (link)
What a twit that guy is—every time I hear something about or from him, it's ridiculous and irritating. I remember him flipping out at Christopher Lydon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Connection) on the radio one time for the most ridiculous of reasons . . . he's a tolerable genre writer, I guess, but he doesn't seem worth much respect as a human being.

—Iralith on LJ

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[info]mooncalf
2006-08-29 06:28 am UTC (link)
... yeah, that's a Harlan Ellison story, all right. Sadly, he's been getting away with that shit for decades now.

In retaliation in celebration in commemoration just because I damned well feel like it, my favorite (and sadly, almost certainly apocryphal, if true to the spirit of the man-thing) Harlan-Ellison-being-an-asshole story:

So Harlan Ellison is at an SF con and he gets on the elevator with this tall and gorgeous woman, and as soon as the doors close he leers up at her and says "So, what would you say to a little fuck?"

The woman looks disdainfully down at the tiny bantamweight Mr. Ellison and says, "Hello, little fuck."

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[info]skewed_tartan
2006-08-29 06:28 am UTC (link)
You know, he really is too old for that kind of shit. I mean he really is, even if he did get to take his snake out of the cage, he probably coulnd't even use it.

Of course I doubt any woman is so desperate as to take up with a man who randomly gropes her, but its no doubt what he thinks.

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[info]slackerbitch
2006-08-29 06:32 am UTC (link)
*beats head on desk*

Countdown until some jerkwad guy starts ranting about how mouthy broads can't take a little friendly grope? That's usually what comes next.

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[info]jedilora
2006-08-29 06:33 am UTC (link)
http://216.92.255.170/blog/2006/08/my-night-with-harlan-ellison-part-i.html

Here's a link I got from my local group's list-and to specify, my local group basically ran Worldcon in '04.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 06:48 am UTC (link)
Survey- how many people misread Patrick Neilsen Hayden as Neil Patrick Harris?

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[info]wanktastic
2006-08-29 06:53 am UTC (link)
Harlan Ellison is a creepy asshat but I have to like him a tiny bit because I watched him reduce Laurell K. Hamilton to tears during a Dragon*Con panel one year. Good times.

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[info]sashenka
2006-08-29 06:59 am UTC (link)
What the hell is FATWA? Whatever... Sereity won a Hugo!

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 07:15 am UTC (link)
Let me preface this by saying I do believe that Ellison would grope people he really ought not be groping, having heard enough stories, but . . . that picture just seems to show him fellating a mic.

And then later on, there's smooching with both hands in a non-gropey position.

The photo's not supposed to show the gropage, right? Am I missing something in the pictures?

*confused*

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[info]go_shirly
2006-08-29 07:24 am UTC (link)
I heard about this yesterday, I think. And still, the only thing that immediately comes to mind is "I Have No Hands, And I Must Grope".

Man, do I want to read that story. Sci-Fi horror for a new generation.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 08:12 am UTC (link)
Hmmm. Wonder whether the forum on harlenellison.com is expoloding with self righteous harlan apologist wank right about now.

Yeah I'm a Harlan fan... in the same way I'm sort of a fan of lightening storms and sharks. Great to watch from a distance... up close and personal NO WAY!

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[info]wankprophet
2006-08-29 08:34 am UTC (link)
The most scurrilous thing I see in those pics is Harlan and David Levine doing a full-body leg-wrapping Jew-geek dry-hump.

It's not hot. Not even a little. Even if I weren't straight. But it does make me happy for some reason. Maybe it's just that I deeply regret not having been alive to attend the 1968 Anaheim sci-fi convention and witness the legendary Asimov/Heinlein "dirty old bi-curious bastards hickies-and-love-nurples fest." So I'm glad I caught this one.

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[info]shadownlite
2006-08-29 09:23 am UTC (link)
I saw the second to the last photo on the page for the HUGO Awards that is up ther ein the report and just thought, "Swap that spit!"

I feel evil today.

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[info]eljuno
2006-08-29 09:25 am UTC (link)
I saw Harlan about 4 years ago, and all I gotta say is, he seems to have aged about 50 years in those four.

As for maturity...about the same.

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OT like whoaz
[info]theartema
2006-08-29 10:11 am UTC (link)
Care not a whit for the wank, but OMG GIBBS ICON LOVE!!!

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[info]ladyrogue
2006-08-29 10:28 am UTC (link)
o.o Why does it look like David Levine is wrapping his leg around Harlan?

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[info]mister_terrific
2006-08-29 11:41 am UTC (link)
Y'know, when I read all this, my first thought was, "Jesus God, why doesn't Ellison act his age?" And then I thought about the things my own mother has done since my father passed away, and the stories she's told about the men she's gone out with. And I also recalled the stories women told about Julius Schwartz's behavior at cons (though they waited until he'd passed away--God only knows what Harlan stories will come out after he finally dies).

Swear to high heaven, it's like they hit the late 60's and it's second puberty all over again, grabby hands and horny glands. One last shot at glory, I guess. I'm praying to high heaven I don't act like that, but I'm afraid I probably will.

That being said, I don't expect Harlan to repent (said the ticktockman), but he should be called out for his behavior. The (horn)dog can't learn what's wrong if you don't whap him on the nose with a newspaper.

Geez.

Mister Terrific
Defender of Fair Play
Ain't Comin' Near To Defend Harlan

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 12:55 pm UTC (link)
I get that the award is a rocket, but the only thing that comes to mind when I see it is still "Holy Giant Phallic Symbol, Batman !"

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 01:54 pm UTC (link)
This is exactly why this story (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2005/09/26) remains so satisfying.

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[info]naienko
2006-08-29 03:25 pm UTC (link)
Is it bad that the first thing I thought was "who the hell would /want/ to grope Connie Willis?"

Yes, I'm bitter, since the last Xanadu.

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[info]phosfate
2006-08-29 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Harlan Ellison being a jerk? I'm shocked. SHOCKED, I SAY!

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[info]mcity
2006-08-29 05:05 pm UTC (link)
"Repent, Ellison!", said the Pat Hayden?

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Half the people in those awards photos are dressed like they're going to their high school dance, and the other half are dressed like they're going on a birdwatching trip.

Is it one of those things where nobody knows how to dress for it and so half the women show up in "thank GOD I finally get to wear this bridesmaid's dress again since I paid 200 FUCKING DOLLARS FOR IT and the whore got divorced a year later" or what?

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