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Little Valkyrie ([info]waltraute) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-08-29 11:46:00


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Entry tags:authors, creator wank, person: terry goodkind, this was no chicken, wikipedia

What would Richard Rahl think of this wank?
This wank report owes its existence to a request from the lol_meme. I hope you all find it full of LOL.

There's no wank like author wank, as we've seen before from Anne Rice and Laurell K. Hamilton. Now throw some zealous fans into the mix, and you get Terry Goodkind's wikipedia page.

For those of you not familiar with his output, Terry Goodkind writes novels (don't call them fantasy!) in the 'Sword of Truth' series, beginning with Wizard's First Rule and now up to I don't know what. They've garnered comparisons with Robert Jordan in terms of size and the tendency to go on and on and will probably eventually sell for $2.99 a pound. He's also a serious devotee of Ayn Rand, works grand philosophical insights into his books, and is very insistent that he's not writing fantasy--the nasty publishers have just miscategorized his books:



Text from a chat transcript, retrieved from the Wayback Machine:

Yet there are those who rail at me because I don't behave like a fantasy author is "supposed" to. I don't follow the rules, as they see it.

There are those who focus exclusively on this least important element -magic - simply because people I don't know, despite my strenuous objections at the time, insisted on placing a red dragon on the cover of my work, and because of that, and who published the book, I was racked in bookstores as fantasy. As a result, in the minds of some readers I am for all time to be labeled as a “fantasy" author. So I must now follow some unstated laws of writing - I must know my place - because I've been mindlessly labeled a "fantasy" author? That, my friends, is bigotry.

I am not an obedient subservient cog of a group, slavishly following the group's conventions. I am a thinking individual acting of my own free will.

Shania Twain had a similar problem with country music fans who resented her because her music doesn't follow the constrained conventions of country music. She has risen above category names. For most of my fans, so have I.

Most of Shania Twain's fans are not regular country music fans. Most of my fans are not regular fantasy fans nor are they so bigoted that they think I must know my place and stay in it.


So naturally, there's an ongoing debate on Wikipedia about his books.

Mystar, who seems to pop up from various IPs, is out to keep the record straight:

Call them "misguided" if you wish. That is really y too bad is this IS Goodkind's page and I have edited according to HIS wishes.

Some other editors make comparisons to George R. R. Martin's and Steven Erikson's pages, but they're just biased, you know:

Ahhh yes! "Just because you can source something doesn't mean it's notable or should be on the page". The ole "do what I say not what I do, double standard eh!

You allow the same content on GRRM's etc page. I see Paul or is it Worthead? I see that you are the ASOFAI fanatic and as such allow this same content there, but cannot stand for it of Goodkind's page. I hope you can explain yourself. Suddenly out of the blue you trash Goodkind’s page. SO just because you have edited a couple of GRRM's pages...that makes you the "consensus"? Sorry bub, that outs you and your two other buddies. You want to cause havoc, and they your get a couple of other ASOFAI buddies to back you up. That is in no way any kind of "consensus". All anyone has to do is to look at the history of you guys and see the truth. You see nothing that looks "biased" because you are a fanatic of the page and want the bias there. It suites you, your buddies and GRRM as well. The fact is it is loaded with bias and POV. You cannot have it both ways dude. You have not acted in good faith or in an unbiased manor


And then it goes to arbitration. That's never wanky, right? Right?

Allegations of sockpuppets becomes the constant theme:

I for one prefer to think of myself as an honest and moral man, I saw/see nothing civil in any of your commentary toward me, quite the contrary. I see you assuming "superiority" in tone from me. That would be entirely a failing on your part, as I have not taken any such tone. I suggest you stop attempting to read me as you feel you would be replying. A common mistake with this media, but I assure you I am nothing but concerned for proper content and eliminating the use of harmful editing and sockpuppets to back up such vandalism. I also disagree about your GRRM statement. He can say anything he wishes. We have no proof of its validity. Anyone can say anything they wish. mystar68.188.220.8 05:30, 28 August 2006

NeoFreak tries to keep some kind of calm going:

Well you have been calling other editors liars and idiots and accusing them of having dishonest intentions without any proof. Your tone has been hostile and condesending but if that was not your intention then we can get past that. NeoFreak

What would Richard Rahl do?

You ask others if they have read the Sword of Truth novels - have you read them, Mystar? If so, did you understand the messages within? Emperor Jagang rules over a cruel and wicked empire - do you think he would allow anyone to criticize him? Of course not. Richard is the one who fights for freedom, equality, and free will. Richard wouldn't try to silence his opposition, he wouldn't try to deny anyone the right to speak their mind. Instead, he would take criticism and use it to better himself and make himself a better person.

And it shows no signs of ending anytime soon, except for the call for a moratorium on edits.

ETA: I hadn't even noticed the first archive of the wikipedia talk section, which proves that this one's been going on for a while. Consists of even more allegations that everyone editing the page but Mystar hates freedom Goodkind.

ETA2: For everyone else curious about the evil chicken, googling found me this:

Hissing, hackles lifting, the chicken's head rose. Kahlan pulled back. Its claws digging into stiff dead flesh, the chicken slowly turned to face her. It cocked its head, making its comb flop, its wattles sway. "Shoo," Kahlan heard herself whisper. There wasn't enough light, and besides, the side of its beak was covered with gore, so she couldn't tell if it had the dark spot, But she didn't need to see it. "Dear spirits, help me," she prayed under her breath. The bird let out a slow chicken cackle. It sounded like a chicken, but in her heart she knew it wasn't. In that instant, she completely understood the concept of a chicken that was not a chicken. This looked like a chicken, like most of the Mud People's chickens. But this was no chicken. This was evil manifest.-- Soul of the Fire by Terry Goodkind

ETA3: The chicken has generated wonderful icons. Someone please collect them for posterity.

ETA4: I feel the need to draw your attention to Shania Rand here.




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[info]elysian
2006-08-29 05:56 pm UTC (link)
It's hard to care much about his noble struggle against the subjugation of genre when I never made it more than 100 pages into Wizard's First Rule because his writing sucked ass.

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[info]an_igor
2006-08-29 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Well, he basically calls himself the Shania Twain of fantasy novelists. I really don't think anything critics could say could top that, in terms of, what's profound literary insight vs. what's mostly fluffy entertainment.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 06:06 pm UTC (link)
I must salute the first known linkage between the "philosophy" of Ayn Rand and the career of Shania Twain.

Also, how dare anyone doubt the artistic integrity of the creator of "Emperor Jagang"?

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[info]notjo
2006-08-29 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Bigotry is the new opression?

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[info]littleshebear
2006-08-29 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Note: If you want to be taken more seriously, DON'T compare yourself to Shania Twain.

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[info]sarai
2006-08-29 06:25 pm UTC (link)
Terry Goodkind's "novels" are in the genre of suck. I can't belive I wasted so much time trying to slog through the first book.

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[info]zee
2006-08-29 06:28 pm UTC (link)
Well, the Wizard's First Rule is "People are stupid." It seems both the author and some of the fans have set out to prove it.

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[info]mouseybrown
2006-08-29 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Someone ought to tell Terry Goodkind that if it walks like a wizard, dresses like a wizard and uses magic like a wizard, then it's probably fantasy.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 06:36 pm UTC (link)
These people are not fans. There are hundreds if not thousands of fantasy books that fulfill their professed taste in books. Why would they continue to read books they claim are bad? Because they hate that my novels exists. Values arouse hatred in these people. Their goal is not to enjoy life, but to destroy that which is good -much like a school child who does not wish to study for a test and instead beats up a classmate who does well. These people hate what is good because it is good. Their lives are limited to loathing and indifference.

This sums up perfectly why I can't stand this man, because I am evil and hate filled and don't wish people to enjoy his masterful, genre changing work.

And yay, you wrote it up.

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[info]out_bottle
2006-08-29 06:38 pm UTC (link)
LOL @ possibly mislabeled genre = bigotry!

OMG!OPPRESSION!

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[info]misachan
2006-08-29 06:43 pm UTC (link)
The real hilarity of this is that he's comparing himself to Shania Twain, who's a Nashville darling and kind of conventional for today's country, when he could have compared himself to Johnny Cash, who actually did break rules and couldn't get a song on country radio for years because of it.

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[info]solar_type_star
2006-08-29 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Call them "misguided" if you wish. That is really y too bad is this IS Goodkind's page and I have edited according to HIS wishes.

Call me obsessed, but lately everything reminds me of Stephen Colbert.

It's a nice world.

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[info]limyaael
2006-08-29 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Obligatory link to a website mocking Goodkind's pretensions.

I am somewhat amazed that Goodkind continues to attract any respect. He's so incredibly childish and idiotic that surely even his devoted fans would turn away from him in disgust at some point? Surely?

I mean, this is the man who wrote about an evil chicken in one book (which I have never read, but seen quoted). AN EVIL CHICKEN. I think even without the Rand philosophy, his books would suck.

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[info]pyrrah
2006-08-29 06:53 pm UTC (link)
I'm getting flashbacks to 'Loveless is not shota!!!' wank for some reason.

And I find it funny that the only reason I've ever, if remotely, considered reading Goodkin's work is because of the pretty covers. Yup, I'm shallow like that.

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... - winterfox, 2006-08-30 04:18 pm UTC
Ah, the classic filksongs are ALWAYS right. - [info]jedilora, 2006-08-31 06:26 am UTC
Re: Ah, the classic filksongs are ALWAYS right. - (Anonymous), 2006-09-11 03:19 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 07:20 pm UTC (link)
Novels about magic and wizards being classified as fantasy? Who can fathom the mysterious ways of the publishing industry?

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 07:24 pm UTC (link)
God, he is a pompous ass. You should be getting down on your knees and kissing your editor's ass for sticking it in the fantasy genre, because fantasy fans will put up with so much more crap, inconsistancies, and holier-than-thou attitudes than your average reader. We're dedicated! We're fanatical! And they'll continue buying your books with the hope that they'll improve!

(I honestly think he should have stopped after book 1)

But, beyond that, did anyone else get the feeling they were getting a really creepy look into his mind? I mean, the BDSM dominatrixes Mord'Sith getting wounded/wounding by/with the phalluses of pain! agiels, the D/s Dominatrixes Confessors, those creepy nuns from the second book...this all says to me that he just wants to be spanked hard and told he's a bad boy :( and that just made me feel dirty in a bad way.

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[info]solle
2006-08-29 07:38 pm UTC (link)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Seriously? Darken Rahl was a nifty character. For maybe a book and a half. ... The end.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Most of Shania Twain's fans are not regular country music fans. Most of my fans are not regular fantasy fans nor are they so bigoted that they think I must know my place and stay in it.

Shania Twain. Somebody is jealous!

You know, if I were a widely-published author, I'd be a bit more grateful. Good salarly, some asshat loyal fans, and being able to write what I want. They could put my high-fantasty speedboat adventure under 'erotica' for all I cared! Whine whine whine.

//Britt

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Was I the only one who thought that the First Rule was hilariously dumb? People are stupid. What a brilliant insight into the subtle nature of the human condition. I've never before heard anyone come up with that--certainly not on the internet!

People like Goodkind have convinced me that the Wizard's First Rule ought to read "Everybody thinks everyone else is stupid."

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[info]melandry
2006-08-29 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Apropos of very little, I think wank that takes place on wikipedia talk pages might be my very favorite kind. Maybe it's the relatively consistent appearance of people trying to be reasonable (which sets off the wankiness of the wankers nicely).

Or maybe it's just the lack of nested threads to click through. :)

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[info]aislyn
2006-08-29 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Ah Goodkind. My boyfriend reads these books, although he says they stopped being worthwhile somewhere around book #4. I myself got through book 1 and most of book 2 before I decided that I'd rather throw them on a nice fire. Goodkind doesn't write fantasy, eh? That's weird, because I distinctly remember his books being set in a non-Earth world where magic exists and fanciful beings roam the land. Sounds like fantasy to me. It's too bad his characters aren't as "real" as LKH's. I'd like Kahlan to zap him and make him do her bidding eternally.

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[info]fevered_ego
2006-08-29 08:18 pm UTC (link)
Thanks to Goodkind's encouragment, I've decided that my own story must henceforth no longer be referred to as a sword-and-sorcery black comedy...it's a bunny!

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-29 08:24 pm UTC (link)
Emperor Jagang rules over a cruel and wicked empire - do you think he would allow anyone to criticize him? Of course not. Richard is the one who fights for freedom, equality, and free will.

Ok, I only know this from other people who have read the later books, but I think I know what the commenter is talking about here.

Apparently in book 6 or so, Richard gets captured by an Evil Communist Empire and gets put to work as a slave building monumental architecture. While doing this, despite having no prior training in either art or masonry, Richard builds a magnificent statue. When he unveils his statue, the onlooking crowd is so won over by the purity of his artistic genius that they are instantly converted to Randian free-market capitalism.

If he wrote anything more masturbatory, it would just be 800 pages of "FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP"

Seriously, I wish Terry Goodkind would fucking shut up and go away already.

~~ Anonyrat

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[info]wickedlester
2006-08-29 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Damnit, the man is published and recognized. Isn't that enough? Sometimes I miss the days where authors didn't come on the internet to show us how batshit crazy they were.

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[info]evanwaters
2006-08-29 08:34 pm UTC (link)
At this point, even Anne Rice has to say "dude, get over yourself."

This guy may actually have the largest ego in all of genre fiction (though it's not for lack of competitors.)

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