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Dani ([info]hypno_jango) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2006-09-08 18:16:00


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Entry tags:community: fanficrants, fandom: death note, someone is wrong on the internet!

Light Vs. Raito: Wank
I couldn't pass this Death Note FFR wank up. I was just wondering where this exact wank was earlier today. Thanks you, mousy on wank_report!

Over in fanficrants, [info]</a>arislanchan</span> tells Death Note fans that "it's Light, not Raito".

[info]</a>arislanchan</span>:So, the main character of Death Note is a young man named Yagami Light, written 夜神 月. The furigana of 月 is given as ライト- literally transliterated, 'Raito'. However, despite the fact that his name has officially been confirmed by the author as 'Light' and the fact that the only use of 'raito' in the Japanese language is occurs as the english loanword for 'light', fans persist in calling him Raito. A lot of fans.

A few reasons seem to be given for this: "I'm used to it from the scanlations, it's habit!", "it sounds better that way", "it's more Japanese"

1) I understand getting used to it from the scanlations; I did too. But... so? The scanlations (referring to TOWNL's, here, as they seem to be the most widely read) referred to him as Raito for only five volumes before switching to Light. Given the manga is 12 volumes long, he's actually called Light longer than he's called Raito. That alone should be enough to get used to it, surely?

2) Obviously it's perfectly subjective as to which sounds better, but personally I can't see how intentionally mangling another word sounds good.

3) No, it's not more Japanese, really. Raito is neither a Japanese word, nor name. It's only spelled out in Japanese syllabary out of necessity. Raito is not a reading of 月. Neither is 'Light' of course - but at least it's related in meaning.

Basically... his name can be correctly written in three ways: 月, ライト, or Light. If you insist on transliterating the furigana (which are, in this case, a pronuncation guide for Japanese speakers on how to pronounce a foreign word), then why not call L 'Eru'? His name is written as エル, so why do you not choose to write that out literally?

Obviously, call him whatever you want, I'm not trying to force anyone into anything. Just needed to rant, because people's blind rejection of his real name is irritating, and so is reading fics in which over and over he is called "Raito" (not referring to very old fics, here).

Conclusion: his name is not Raito. It has never been Raito, and it never will be Raito. It'd be kind of nice if people could get over it.


As another mouse named Luna on wank_report says, "Death Note fandom seems intent on proving that it is just as batshit insane as the big-name fandoms."




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[info]paintobscura
2006-09-09 01:26 am UTC (link)
I commented in there, because COME ON. It's nothing like the whole FMA Edo/Aru thing, because while Ed and Al aren't Japanese, RAITO is.


...*mops up* Sorry about that.

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-09 01:30 am UTC (link)
http://community.livejournal.com/fanficrants/3363081.html?thread=95245321#t95245321

Someone clearly failed logic at school, and I don't think it was me.

~Luna

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[info]semirecluse
2006-09-09 01:37 am UTC (link)
I like this person myself.

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-09 01:38 am UTC (link)
Perhaps I should have known this would inevitably turn wanky, alas.

My point stood thus: Light is officially his name, according to the author. Therefore, Raito is not his name.

I was annoyed, ranting, and never once told people to stop calling him Raito.

The fact that his name is Light is kind of... non-debatable. So the angry backlash confuses me somewhat.

arislanchan

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-09 01:42 am UTC (link)
I manage to please (or offend?) both camps by randomly switching between the two in converation. Although it confuses non-Death Note fans no end ^^o

~ItaNaru Fan

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blackoftwilight
2006-09-09 01:51 am UTC (link)
WTF is furigana? I know that there is kanji, hirigana, and katakana. I've never heard of furigana.

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[info]smo
2006-09-09 01:51 am UTC (link)

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Looks up.
[info]sheep
2006-09-09 01:52 am UTC (link)
Who wants to take bets on this post ending up on wankitywank?

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Re: Looks up. - [info]paintobscura, 2006-09-09 01:54 am UTC
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Re: Looks up. - [info]hypno_jango, 2006-09-09 01:55 am UTC
Re: Looks up. - (Anonymous), 2006-09-09 01:55 am UTC
Re: Looks up. - [info]smo, 2006-09-09 01:56 am UTC
Re: Looks up. - [info]saralina25, 2006-09-09 01:57 am UTC
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Re: Looks up. - [info]exdee, 2006-09-09 02:09 am UTC
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[info]saralina25
2006-09-09 01:56 am UTC (link)
So, the amount of not caring going on really is directly proportional to the amount of times someone will reply trying to justify their feelings on the matter?

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-09 01:58 am UTC (link)
I find it all rather amusing that, even if his name literally isn't Raito, it would have been pronounced as "Light-o", anyways. Because, y'know, the Japanese R is rolled (similar to Spanish) and ends up sounding more like an L or D.

So, uh, I don't get what stardust_rain was trying to say with the pronunciation part. Maybe I just didn't compute correctly.

Also, who cares?

And why bring Rukia into this? Ugh.

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[info]tarahime
2006-09-09 02:06 am UTC (link)
Telling people to stop using Raito is akin to telling people to stop shipping him with L. It just won't ever happen.

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[info]hallidae
2006-09-09 02:19 am UTC (link)
This argument gets mentioned in the FMA translation fuckery wank, and not but a few hours afterwards, it actually makes wank of its own, apparently not having been influenced by that at all. Damn, what are the odds?

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[info]ladyrogue
2006-09-09 02:22 am UTC (link)
Everyone over there needs to learn the HP fandom motto (at least, the sane portion) "Don't get mad, go read porn."

That said, I'm glad I'm not in DN fandom. Because name pronunciation wank?

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[info]moonjaguar
2006-09-09 02:26 am UTC (link)
Light, Raito, makes me no nevermind. I prefer Light because I see some Lucifer parallels in the character. I don't know if I'm the only one who thinks of Mello and Near as Merrill and Neil because these were the closest English names I came up with.

I wonder what Viz is gonna do with "Quillsh Wammy".

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[info]tarahime
2006-09-09 02:28 am UTC (link)
I kinda just want to type "Raito" over and over again and dedicate it to [info]luna_hoshino cause she's taking this whole thing just a weeeeeeeeee bit too much.

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[info]puipui
2006-09-09 02:30 am UTC (link)
I'd just like to take a moment to point out that the official romanization given by Togashi Yoshihiro for a name in Hunter x Hunter that is pronounced "Pakunoda" is, as given in the official handbook for the series, "Phalcnothdk". Kurapika's official spelling is "Curarpikt", Shizuku's official spelling is "Chzzok", Ubogin's official spelling is "Wbererguin" and Kuroro Lucifer's official spelling is "Quwrof Wrlccywrlir".

I have learned several lessons from this:

1) Although it takes a whole hell of a lot of effort to get to one, there really is such a thing as an incorrect romanization.

2) Although the wishes of the original Japanese author should be respected when it comes to romanization, that does not necessarily make their opinion the only valid opinion.

3) Death Note fans have absolutely no idea how good they have it.

and, of course, 4) Togashi Yoshihiro is on crack.

Although, to be fair, I already knew that about #4, really.

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(Anonymous)
2006-09-09 02:35 am UTC (link)
I can't help looking at all this and wonder, "What the fucking hell is wrong with everyone?"

What happened to taking a deep breath and leaving people the fuck alone? If someone wants to use a transliteration, for fuck's sake, let them.

It can't be that hard to skim over.

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... - [info]madmouth, 2006-09-09 11:20 pm UTC
... - (Anonymous), 2006-09-09 11:48 pm UTC
... - [info]stopthatgirl7, 2006-09-13 03:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-09-09 03:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-09-09 06:55 pm UTC

[info]narcissam
2006-09-09 02:57 am UTC (link)
At this point in the proceedings, let us take a moment to utter a silent prayer that Harry Potter is English, not Japanese.

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[info]pokecheck
2006-09-09 02:57 am UTC (link)
Normally, I'd be on the side of Light ("Come to the Raito side...") but if Rabi/Ravi ends up as Labi/Lavi in D.Gray-Man, I just can't do it.

"Lavi" makes me think of washing, and "Labi," well, I always think it's missing an "a" at the end there.

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... - (Anonymous), 2006-09-09 11:04 am UTC

[info]teruhiko
2006-09-09 03:17 am UTC (link)
I can understand people being all, "It's not a big deal!" because damn, it isn't, but the OP posted this in fanficrants, you know, where you rant about stuff, so that's all she's doing. It's just her peeve, she doesn't seem to be telling people to STOP IMMEDIATELY!! Just that she'd prefer it, herself, if people stuck to Light.

Dizzamn!

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-09-09 03:32 am UTC
Wank in 50 words or less...
[info]gal_montag
2006-09-09 03:30 am UTC (link)
*Fap fap* I totally speak Japanese better than you *fap* Oh yeah, look at all this Japanese that I speak. Better than you. *Fapity fapity fapity, money shot*

~fin

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Re: Wank in 50 words or less... - [info]azhidahaki, 2006-09-09 06:03 am UTC
Re: Wank in 50 words or less... - (Anonymous), 2006-09-09 07:17 am UTC
Re: Wank in 50 words or less... - [info]azhidahaki, 2006-09-09 10:12 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-09-09 03:39 am UTC (link)
I see this exact same argument quite often in Tsubasa fandom.

So can I call him "Righto" then?

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[info]musouka
2006-09-09 03:44 am UTC (link)
Holy shit.

I'm glad I'm an L fan.

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[info]aerobot
2006-09-09 03:46 am UTC (link)
I've never read Death Note, although it looks awesome, but now even *I* wanna call him Raito. Because whenever I think of Light, I think of Doctor Light, and a kindly old scientist killing people via a notebook is TEN KINDS OF CRAZY.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-09-09 05:25 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-09-09 01:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aerobot, 2006-09-09 02:52 pm UTC
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(no subject) - winterfox, 2006-09-13 03:16 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-09-09 03:50 am UTC (link)
I want to take this sort of wank over to the Gundam SEED fandom. There's so much potential in a canon where characters are named "Ssigh" (pronounced "Sai"), Murrue (pronounced "Mariyu"), "Yzak" (close enough to Isaac) and Raww le Kleuze.

Raito/Light is lackluster by comparison.

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