So...This happened:

Apparently Rob Liefeld and Scott Snyder are having an e-pissing contest on who's the better Batman.

Bleeding Cool brings the goods.

More details courtesy of loopywafflehead. I've basically stolen all of this with her permission. Thank her for the diligent work, kids! (But just like Rob, I won't erase my mistakes I'LL JUST LEAVE THEM THERE BECAUSE PSHHHH!)


( Rob Liefeld Insults Everyone )

I picked this one up off of twitter, but for once it wasn't cleolinda's. It was RK Milholland's

So, Rob Liefeld. Not the most likeable guy in the world, for sure. Old, familiar face around here, definitely. For once, he's not the wanker here. In fact, his only role in the wank is to be present.

Some enterprising comic fan at WizardWorld decided to present him with a self-signed copy of "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way" and posted the adventure online. Basically he acted like an asshole to Liefeld and felt very self-righteous about doing so. Whether you think the fan is an entitled twat or that Liefeld deserved it (or both, both is also acceptable), the fun really starts in the comments.

The gentleman in question has his share of supporters, certainly, but there's also dissent. Quite a bit of dissent, really. The supporters aren't always particularly clever, either.

Really, as with all good wanks, there is no right side. A man was a dick to another man who is also a dick, and it got put on the internet. Needless to say, once a critical mass of dicks has been reached, fapping ensues. Enjoy, kids.

Edited for egregious typos.

ETA: Um, this is awkward. The site has unexpectedly gone down and I don't have caps because I'm at work. So...yeah. Hopefully it'll come back once the rush from twitter dies down? OH RIGHT GOOGLE CACHE. Thanks tetradecimal

ETA 2: Additional coverage courtesy of mister_terrific and sunhawk, plus Liefeld most certainly NOT being a dick from mechanicaljewel

ETA 3: An apology of sorts, discovered by a mouse on my journal.

ETA The Next One: For fuck's sake. Peter David adds his two cents. From duraniedrama

Some of you might know, but Shatterstar has officially come out of the closet in the latest issue with a kiss with Rictor, written by PAD. This character as originally created by Rob Liefeld (lol I know) and of course, he has something to say about this.

“… I have nothing against gays, I have gay family, nuthin’ but love here,”

“As the guy that created, designed and wrote his first dozen appearances, Shatterstar is not gay. Sorry. Can’t wait to someday undo this. Seems totally contrived.”

(He made those comments in his private forum that need an account for log in. This blog reported them)

It starts slow. Most people laugh and point. A bunch of commenters say this comment was rather homophobic and even tough Liefeld created the character, he retained no right on him, Furthermore, many posters comment that the reveal was long in the making and the romantic tension between Shatterstar and Rictor has been developped thoroughly.

It gets a bit more heated when PAD shows up in the comments to mock Liefield some more:
"I find particularly distressing Rob’s contention that Shatterstar can’t possibly be gay because he’s a warrior. That might come as a bit of a shock to Alexander the Great. For that matter, among his assortment of gay friends, I suppose Rob has none in the military since of course gays aren’t allowed to serve unless they keep their mouths shut. Perhaps Rob would like to see “don’t ask, don’t tell” implemented in the Marvel universe."

A few commenters don't agree with the accusation of bigotry and explain so but it stays rather civil. It gets more interesting when Liefield shows up, defending that he was misquoted and PAD is piling on for no reason.

PAD responds : Back in the old days I’d spend entire columns trying to figure out what you meant to say as opposed to what you actually said. But honestly, I don’t have that kind of time anymore. Trust me when I say that you’re not doing yourself any favors.

And he shows off his nice ego: "And just a thought, Rob: people are talking about Shatterstar for the first time in years. He’s making national news. Because of me. Maybe, just maybe, that’s the thing that’s pissing you off the most."

And just when you might think Liefeld is the reasonnable one in this, he throws out a stupid comment: "So anything other than, “Cool, they’re gay after 19 years and hundreds of appearancesl” in regards to Rictor and Shatterstar is unacceptable. Yeah, I didn’t get that memo. Maybe Jack Bauer will be next…." LOL wat. He then proceeds to prove his gay credentials and debate Batman/Robin.

The non existence of bisexuality even shows up! Party for everyone.

And they go some more back and forth and it's really hard to say who is being the biggest hairsplitter in this. Also, had no idea who Shatterstar was but now I kinda one to pick this issue up.

Dearest, beloved, Fandom Wank.

I know you were looking forward to great excitement today. Some of you said words to me that indicated you anticipated fiery 'judgement' upon those who remained fresh and dewey white, those you call n00bs.

Anyway, you got today instead.

Stop anticipating things, we'll just break your hearts.

Sincerely,

Sepia P. Magpie, Esq.



PS: Use this post to reflect on how you could be better people. Or just fuck around in the comments.

Orange County Weekly writes a profile on Rob Liefeld, in which the lord of pouches and women with poofy white hair provides us with his deep thoughts.

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Anyway, not content to merely be an odd cookie, in a supplement on the profilers blog, Liefeld decides to attack the much odder (although believed to be more talented) cookie in the comics medium: Alan Moore.

We didn't get the right artist for him until about ten issues in, then the second year, they put together a great run. That 24 issues was as well-received a comic as you're gonna find, I still meet people who are like, wow, that was great, but we had no input. That was Alan. And to me, honestly, that was Alan's last great stuff. Because when Awesome, my main investor went belly up --my investor had a video game company, a recording company, andf a comic book company, and overnight, they were all gone -- and Alan, I think had really dug what he was doing with us, because by then he'd expanded it from Supreme to Youngblood, to Glory...I still have all his original proposals, they're a riot, dude. He's definitely taking archetypes and doing the Alan Moore version...I called him up one time and said, 'Hey Alan, how about we do a Teen Titans style book,' and he went quiet and he goes 'That's what Youngblood is.' I thought that was our Avengers-type book."

"But then he took that formula and just kinda did that same thing, I mean, Tom Strong is Supreme, it's flattering that he found his groove back with us and started winning awards back with us because people forget, he'd fallen off the map, you can't really find a great Alan Moore book from '90 to like '96, when he did Supreme, even the stuff he did for Todd [McFarlane] was derided like he was asleep at the wheel, like he didn't care because it was campy, whereas with Supreme he gave it that Silver Age with a twist, and nobody was doing that. And again, what he did for Supreme was ripped off for the next five years by all the other writers. He's always been a trendsetter."

"If you've done business with Alan, you have a different opinion of Alan. He markets himself as a poet, but he's just a ruthless businessman, like everybody else, he kept wanting to more work because he just wanted to get paid. Jeph Loeb, he can tell you."

Fans do not react well to this:

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Of course, Rob Liefeld fans call OPPRESSIUN by the hat0rz:
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There's also some "Alan Moore's magic is just like your belief in God!" mini wank, but it doesn't bring much funneh so let's not care.

Then, on the Newsarama blog post, Rob decides to play with the anti-fans.

Alan makes deals, then decides later that it wasn't good enough, torches the previous deal, pouts and goes back to his corner.

He killed his Wildstorm deal, he balked when I wouldn't accept Steven Moore as the next Supreme writer for his year 3 project, He killed the Watchman toys that DC had set to roll 10 years back ... for what good reason? He said he would bad mouth them so DC backed off and killed all the merchandise.

He's a great writer when motivated, no different than most others. He hides behind principle while he has his hand out for more control and or more money than he previously negotiated.

And if all his magic nonsense is real then why didn't he go into the dream realm before he wrote Watchmen and see the future success he would achieve and decide to keep all the rights to himself?

Anyways, I'm perfectly satisfied with all my Alan Moore stories and look forward to future collections and perhaps having his earlier Supreme issues re-drawn.

Some fans disagree with Liefeld's interpretation of the events. Others go "LOL! You still can't draw feet, dork!" And so it goes.

ETA: The wank as told by dinosaurs