A fierce and long-time battle has raged between the Wincest (Sam/Dean) and Destiel (Dean/Castiel) shippers in the Supernatural fandom. What's that? Ships that don't involve Dean? Ha, ha!

Of course, Wincest fans have to constantly put up with harrassment because the guys are brothers so they get a lot of "Ew, that's sick!" and "Do you want to have sex with your brother?!" But mostly the wank comes from Wincest fans who are dedicated Castiel/Misha Collins haters, and Destiel fans who are Sam/Jared Padalecki haters, and despite these being a decided minority there being many prominent except to these stereotypes, each side continues to paint the other with the same brush.

Lately some shippers decided that it would be appropriate to bring an actor's two-year-old son into the debate, because that's always classy.

The tumblr blog "Things Better Than Destiel," which has listed such things as genocide, miscarriage, and, charmingly, rape, created a post that reads "Things That Are Better Than Destiel: ABORTION" and then tagged it with "West Collins," who is Misha Collin's two-year-old son. Katie (tumblr URL: kickitintheslash), writes:

Despite their claims that “THIS BLOG ISN’T POKING FUN AT ATROCITIES The only thing being mocked here is destiel,” I think this post alone makes the true intentions of this blog quite clear. West Collins is a CHILD. He has nothing to do with Destiel nor is he even aware of its existence. Tagging him - with the obviously implication that Misha and Vicki should have had him aborted - crosses a serious line. Rape jokes are horrible enough on their own… but this is almost ominously threatening. Even if you hate a ship, character, or actor… tagging innocent children in your hate posts (especially posts implying the child shouldn’t be alive) is too far. Wishing a child weren’t alive… that’s not comedy. That’s sick and too deplorable for words. Same with jokes about rape.

and,

What next? A hate blog against Wincest tagging Thomas or “Baby Ackles” in abortion posts?

Oh, it's already happened, but it wasn't anti-Wincest.

But come on, you say, surely nobody is trying to defend Things Better Than Destiel! Prepare to have your faith in humanity crushed once again, because people are. Writes anon,

I follow things-better-than-destiel and I really love it, since the Destiel shippers were really asking for such hate: they left hate everywhere, disrespected other ships and acted like assholes. I'm sick and tired of this part of the fandom and I'll support this blog no matter what. Because at the end the Destiels get that they deserve.

("the Destiels"?) The owner of the blog Things Better Than Destiel is unlikely to remove the West Collins post, seeing as how s/he wouldn't remove the "rape" post despite getting, by their own description, over a hundred messages asking them to do so. Because FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BABY!

A different tumblr user, whose URL is wincest-heaven, because of course it is, has apparently had it up to here with West Collins, and makes someecards graphics to express their feelings, seemingly in response to this video of West and Misha cooking a meal together. The first:

"Thank you for teaching me how amazing it is to be born into white privilege, Dad!
Now the world knows what a wasteful spoiled brat I am.
Let's send our video to the black kids in Haiti. Bet their bellies will hurt, when they see all the food I've wasted!"
"Oh bug, next time you go shopping be careful not to wonder into traffic and get squashed!"

The second:

"Being born into white privilege is fun. I can be a spoiled, wasteful brat and people still think it's adorable."

The third might tumble into meta commentary:

"Hey look, dad! They're talking about me on tumblr. Does that make me famous? Being white sure is nice!"

Not for nothing, but do you know who is also white? The Winchester brothers.

Surprisingly, this move does not endear Wincest shippers to Destiel shippers:

The thing that annoys me the most about (some) Wincest shippers (besides the fact that they ship Wincest) is that not only they hate Cas for no reason (he only dragged both of the brothers out of Hell and saved their lives three million times, nbd), but that they project that hatred onto Misha, and now West. WTF I WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE, HE IS TWO YEARS OLD! ARE YOU NUTS?! He is not a “spoiled brat”, he ain’t privileged (even if he is, that’s none of your concern), he is a kid with two loving parents who let him learn stuff by doing. I’m sorry that your mama didn’t hug you enough and your papa hit you with a stick every time you didn’t finish your food, but stop spreading your hatred, you fucking dickheads.

I'm sure West, who has two wealthy parents, isn't privileged at all.

For more reasoned discourse, watch Supernatural, Season ... they're considering a spin-off?! God, this show won't die!

Jensen and Danneel Ackles are expecting a baby.

You know what this means? It means one good-looking little baby. Also, wank, because some people think Jensen Ackles is gay.

Gay, but a huge coward with daddy issues and completely FUBAR conservative social beliefs. His attitude to being known as gay, and to gay families, is fucking offensive. I hope someone outs him." (Link)

So, it's official, they are never going to stop pretending to be straight, homophobic, misogynistic, good old Texas boys in incredibly unhealthy marriages to awful women. I just feel sorry for the poor children.

I stopped watching Show two years ago, and was just hanging on to the hope these two idiots would get their shit together. Thanks for the kick up the butt I needed, Jensen, time to move on to actors I can actually respect. I'm out." (Link)

Boy, if it turns out that Jensen Ackles is straight won't they feel silly?

So someone posts a proposal on spn_gossip:

OUT THEM!
I'm being serious(yes, and bitchy) anyone have any proof? I'd offer to pay you but I'm sure you'd get more from the rags than I can afford. Why should they get $$ for being lying dickbags when you can get some for being honest. (link)

el_chamaleon takes them up on it:

I can out them if you want (ilegal ways, don't ask) and my moral was never too high, so say the magic words and I'll do it :).

P.S 1: the magic words are "DO IT", just to be clear.

P.S 2: If you say the magic words (I need more than just one person saying "DO IT") it's not gonna be quick because i don't have a lot of free time to work, so a month or two, maybe less depending on my schedule. (link)

Ilegal means? I'll mark my calendar.

For some reason, some anons don't think it's such a good idea to forcibly out someone, but other anons have lost their sympathy for Ackles.

Why the fuck do you have so much hate for a couple of guys who have nothing to do with your life? So they're gay and lying, big fucking deal. Unless they hurt you personally, then you're acting alike a spoiled 2 year old whose Mommy said 'no!'. Grow the fuck up already and just quit following them. (link)

I understand people are upset but the amount of hate because the guy had a kid with his wife are baffeling. If they are gay, then outing them against their will is not cool. Would YOU want to be outed before you are ready? They have every right to lie to fans who want to pry into their personal life.(link)

Oh, give me a break! They've shoved the beards down fans's throats for years, made this fandom a police like state, where you can't say a fucking thing without having the wives protectors on your ass and they'd want us to protect them? Well, no.

If someone really has shit on them and feels like sharing it they're welcome to do it.(link)

First off, I don't believe that you really have anything or proof. Yet giving you the benefit of the doubt I have to say that waiting a month or two after the whole 'PCA baby bump' hoopla to drop whatever information you claim you have and just drop it here would be like closing the barn door after the horse has left the building. All you are left with is a stall full of horseshit that can be quietly raked away.

That said, personally I really don't want Jensen or an innocent baby to be under this kind of gun, be the information real or fake. He's a good guy and a gentle human being. His life is his own to live as he pleases and even I have to accept that means being married to Danneel.(link)

Aww look at all the ass-kissers coming to shame us all. I wondered when you guys would show up. We've supported them and made excuses for them long enough and we don't owe them shit. If they aren't lying liars that lie, they can't be outed. Karma is a bitch. We'll get ours for being fed up with their lies but they'll get their, too. (link)

"If they aren't lying liars that lie, they can't be outed. Karma is a bitch."

MTE anon. MTE.

Also, maybe if they [Jared & Jensen] were concerned they would stop being ~affectionate in public places like so many have reported. (link)

Still being affectionate in public, falls into the aforementioned "bullet proof" mindset. (link)

"If they aren't lying liars that lie, they can't be outed. Karma is a bitch."

People have been here claiming they had proof and that they were going to provide it for years now.....and nothing. I think it's pretty clear that what you are saying is true. They won't (and can't) be outed because they aren't lying. (link)

THANK YOU. That's kind of what I've been trying to say but ofc, no one listens. Nobody outs them because there is absolutely nothing to out and those people who say "I"ll out them if you want blah blah blah" need to STFU.. Maybe people should get over the fact that these guys are not gay and together (probably never have been) and the marriages to the wives are just that, REAL. IDK how after this news some still think they're bearding tbh. Bringing one baby into this charade, but two? I'm sorry but, just no. I'm done here. (link)

Then please explain to me why on earth would Danneel photoshop pictures to make it look like Jensen was hanging out with her? (link)

Pretty sure those picture weren't photoshopped and were real. (link)

So the homophobia and misogyny wasn't just a cover or panicked reaction, but how they really are? And all the queerbaiting was just for the lulz and $$$? Good to know. What wonderful men to be a fan of. (link)

I'm gay, and this is the most offensive goddamn community I've come across in a /while/.

I would rather be called slurs, told I was going to hell, anything but being forcibly outed. You are heterosexual women, you have no idea how that would feel, and screw all of you for thinking you have the right to do it.

Calling them cowards for not coming out? YOU ARE STRAIGHT, YOUR OPINIONS MEAN JACK. You are all pretty much a plague on the LGBTQ community - just go vote Republican and be an open homophobe and we can all be done with this.

And if you're seriously going to delete this comment, when you would leave these vicious attacks against queer people and their safety, then holy jesus. (link)

Hmm, I wonder how they responded to speculation that Misha Collins was going to have a baby?

Sorry to start off the post with a Misha question, but after the thread in the last post, I was trying to see whether Misha said anything about the first pregnancy before the baby was born. I remember speculation, but nothing 'official' before he tweeted the birth announcement.

Does anyone else remember any confirmation from him or the Js? They made a joke about not knowing whether the baby was his, but was that before or after the birth? (link)

NOBODY FUCKING CARES EXCEPT YOU. (link)

Edit: spn_gossip takes the opportuniy presented by the People's Choice Awards to talk about how ugly Danneel Ackles and Gen Padalecki are and how Danneel is wearing a pillow, because spn_gossip is gross. For this, Supernatural won Favorite TV Fan Following, so you know... the competition must have been really shit.

What did Jared Padalecki do to make an anonymous commentor on the spn_gossip group write, "It's an odd thing to watch someone's -a celebrity's- likability deteriorate in front of you, it really is. The rate of it is pretty shocking too"? You'd probably guess that he was arrested for drunk driving, or claimed during an interview that vitamins can cure post-partum or something like that. You'd be wrong.

What did Padalecki do that made his likeability "[plummet] faster than the stock market on a Black Monday"? He appeared in a music video with his beard.

Oh, and his wife is there too!

Seriously, the thing I find most offensive about these threads is the lack of beard jokes. C'mon! It's right there! Jared Padelecki has a beard in a music video in which his wife, who you claim to be his beard, also appears!

Jared and Genevieve Padelecki acted in a music video for a song by the Brian Buckley Band, which Jared also produces or finanaces or something, I don't care. If you don't want to watch it, it is pithly summarized by a spn_gossip anon thus:

Gen is in it for half a second at the end. All she does is open their (real) front door and bite her lip.

The plot of the video seems to be that Jared did something BAD (cheated with Jensen? C'mon Jared is only human!) and then gets drunk/hairy for a while, before putting on his magic bowtie and using cue cards stolen from "Love Actually" to try and win his girl back. Gen answers with lip biting.

spn_gossip responds with the disgust and caution usually reserved for Stormfront:

"Is anyone going to rip the video and repost it? I don't want to give them official hits..... although I also don't want to watch the video.... help?"

Another anon writes, "Yeah, there are things that I think an actor particularly just can't bounce back from, and this will probably be Jared's for me. It's a good/sad question, IDK I hope it's a development."

The issue is that Jared is using the video to promote his allegedly fake marriage, which would be awful?

I wonder what the hell Jared meant when he said at the Nerd thing, he was doing this BB video just for 'himself'? He obviously meant he was doing it to promote his fake marriage, just like every time he has 'employed' the BB Band for cons to provide an excuse to slobber over her in public.
This man is such a liar!
Why have your fake wife in your 'friend's' video, if not to use him to promote the het?
Jared manages to make me feel nauseous fairly often these days, especially when he's pimping the tiny no-talent fake wife who has managed to complicate his and Jensen's life in an incredibly irresponsible way. Ugh.

... or so fandom seems to think. The lovers might disagree.

So, it’s been announced that Genevieve Padalecki is pregnant.

And the Supernatural fandom, naturally, loses it.

Like any rational fan, they question it:

“But why would she have to disappear the second she found out she was pregnant if everything is hunky dory normal?”

Speculate wildly:

“Or, maybe that's when Gen said she wanted out, and Dan came up with this great excuse for her to be out of the public eye for the next year while still contributing to the het parade.”

“If it's true my opinion of Jared is in the toilet. I still believe he's gay and in a relationship with Jensen. It's not possible for two guys to work as close as they do for almost 7 years and be as close friends as they are unless it's beyond friendship. Not possible. Not with HW egos.

But they don't need to bring kids into the mess to establish het cred. For God's sake he's not 30 yet. Most men in HW don't have kids till way into their 30s. I always thought Gen was a lesbian. Far out theory but maybe she's pregnant with a GF and will pass it off as Jared's.
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( J2 are gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay... )