In the Zelda lovers community on Lj Starrose17 posts a slash fanfic, between Link and Link

RPgod2 is offended and proceeds to give us his thoughts on yaoi

RPgod2 is declared new to the internet, because he did not expect slash in a video game fan community

Rpgod2 clarifies that it was not this *particular* work that offended him, just the idea of it.

Plus sundry other thoughts on yaoi.

ETA: There are also a few choice comments on the dA page of the art that inspired the fic.

Over fanficrants; oceanica ranted about sexual orientation in Naruto fandom.
It looked normal until emperorsteele decided to join the rant.

"Could" provides for possibility. If something doesn't exist or is not true, then it's not possible.

Girl likes guy. She is straight UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. UNTIL that point, it's just whistful fantasy that she wants the clam.

Anyway, the OP was saying things like "Likes girls.. possibly bi". I mean really? What does it take to convince some people that someone is straight? In a boy's action story where romance is hardly ever a focus, no less?

Bit late to the party on this one, but I've got one name for you: Dumbledore.

Oh sure, point out the ONE time something like that happened!

I guess that means ALL characters are secretly gay!! My bad!!!

So on and on and on and on and on....

ETA: Fandom is such math.

MOAR ETA: It's dragged to ffrantsrants.

ETA'S MOM: Seem like he is having fun in another wank entry.

DEAREST PAPA OF ETA: Another butthurt and FFRR.

And no, I'm not going to defend this position ad infinitum for 5 hours straight against heterophobes. The OP asked for opinions, and I'm gicing mine. If anyone has a problem with this view, kindly count to ten and pass up on hitting reply, kthnx. My E-mail inbox is still crying from the last wankfest. Please, think of the inboxes!

My "problem" seems to be that I have an opinion about the nature of the written medium (and to a lesser extent, the nature of sexuality) which rubs people here the wrong way because they assume that having that opinion translates into real-life quasi-homophobia, making me a horrible person, thus giving them an excuse to attack me because it's not politically correct; or rather they feel compelled to disagree in order to defend their beloved slashfics.

ETA'S SIS: He is now temp banned from FFR

Dearest, beloved, Fandom Wank.

I know you were looking forward to great excitement today. Some of you said words to me that indicated you anticipated fiery 'judgement' upon those who remained fresh and dewey white, those you call n00bs.

Anyway, you got today instead.

Stop anticipating things, we'll just break your hearts.

Sincerely,

Sepia P. Magpie, Esq.



PS: Use this post to reflect on how you could be better people. Or just fuck around in the comments.

In vergil_fangirls, rosiesintherain posts:

I know I'm going to be stomped with flames and insults for asking, but why exactly do people like Dante/Vergil?

It's something I never understood. I understand people appreciating the brotherly (FAMILY) love between them. The fact that they're so different and would definately be willing to kill each other, but they can't bring themselves to completely hate each other. Lady and Arkham had that too. Despite all the horribly things that Arkham had done to both her and others, she was still saddened when she killed him. Same with Dante. Despite what Vergil had done to him and was planning on doing to the world, when he left the human world forever, he was saddened by that too.

I don't find it romantic in the least and I don't understand why people try to make it out to be. I don't think someone can completely hate their family member, and DMC3 decided to play on that. And it's fairly obvious that Dante likes women. He hits on almost all the DMC girls, has naked pictures of women in his office, and totally got a boner the moment he saw Nevan. I don't think he's ever done that around Vergil.

Plus.... they're brothers. That's just sick.

So since there seems to be quite a lot of twincest fans here, I'd like to hear what they have to say. It confuses me when people dislike Dante/Trish because Trish is a clone of his mother, but turn around and say that two brothers fucking is hot.

Just curious.

( YAY WANK! )

ETA: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE GODWIN.

From a little mousie over at wank_report, with apologies for bastardizing the language used herein and making it my own. And my first post at JournalFen is, of course, wank. Whoohoo!

With the cutest little bunny icon, someone going by the charming moniker of dmitric300 shares Thoughts On Yaoi.

It seems that people who write, read, and generally enjoy yaoi/slash don't really advocate gay rights. At least, not really. And clearly, yaoi/slash as a whole advocates nothing but the general right to be a pervert.

Or maybe he's just upset at being told he's homophobic, when all he wants is to not have that darn gaynessity shoved down his throat. Or maybe it's all the yaoi/slash icons on fanficrants when he's browsing ElJay at work. Of course, it could always be just that he's upset that not everyone interprets a character, and more importantly, that character's sexuality the same way he does. Who knows?

But whether this charming young specimen is a troll or a sockpuppet; well, all signs point to yes.

Comments are, so far, surprisingly mature. Except for the occasional OP is a homophobe!.

Points of interest:

This gem of a thread is my personal favorite; commenter responds with lengthy comment, OP picks up on a single thing, hilarity ensues.

"Technically LJ will let me post Tub girl on here in full resolution and it will be a while before it comes down, long enough to disturb all of you. However that isn't the courteous thing to do. Also posting a really graphic incest rape story on a board that you know kids frequent isn't all that nice either, even if it isn't breaking site rules. I meant common etiquette, not bending to my will. (all though it is nice when people bend to your will)"

In this thread, dmitric300 may or may not be truly angry about people getting icky yaoi in his nice shounen series: "Anyways, naruto is a shounen manga so that implies that all of the main characters will not get into any gay relationships (that would make it shounen-ai or shoujou-ai) or have explicit sex (that would make it hentai)."

Because what happens off-screen defines the genre, as opposed to...I dunno. The stuff that happens onscreen. Drat, that would be using Earth logic.

Mousie's favorite thread, here, shows the OP backpedaling and often.

"Perhaps I view canon differently from others. When I look at whether something is possible or someone is 'in character' I also include the genre in which the creative work resides. If I were to see an unsupported shounen-ai relationhip in a shounen-ai series I would think nothing of it, such a relationship is quite possible in that world. However in a shounen series like Naruto it is extremely improbable for two main male characters to ever show interest in each other and I treat it differently. A care bear rape-fic would illicit a negative response while it may not in a more mature series."

As kutsuwamushi puts it, "I'm going to ignore the fact that you're changing your argument from "we'd know if they were bisexual because they wouldn't be acting straight" to "homosexuality doesn't happen in this genre...""

And then the Mod Hat comes up -- mikkeneko issues the ultimatum -- One comment to prove lack of trolling, or it's banhammer and ship it out.

ETA:

Bonus links!

From iwanttobeasleep, Antiyaoi meta!

From zannechaos via means other than journaling service (also pointed out downthread by ladybirdsleeps): For those of you upset at the lack of this being FFR proper for the mod tags, we have Repeat Offender Sign! (An excellent thread, and totally related re: the flaunting of icons, can be found here.

ETA 2: *facepalm* Finish reading the comments before you edit. Got it.


OHGODMYINBOX

I get the impression that many antiyaoi members are superkeen to avoid getting on F_W but you know...no comm is sacred and all that....

draconisangelus posts in antiyaoi linking to a HP rant in her own journal, which is rather...crudely worded.  People, one by one, raise their eyebrows politely at her before everyone gets into a nice brawl about "antiyaoi vs. antigay" and some choice remarks are made by the dear homophobe, my favourite moment being:

( a little dick might calm you down some )

WOW.

draconisangelus posts an "apology" post next and it seems she's also been doing a lot of comment deleting all around, which pisses people off even more.


ETA: Holy moly, she went back and deleted more than 100 comments in both the original entry and the "apology" - anyone got some uploaded screencaps?
ETA2: Screencap of "Apology" post thanks to mochibuni!
ETA3: iwanttobeasleep C&P'ed some of draconisangelus' remarks here and panthea's awesomeness = many many screencaps
ETA4: lore captured a gem of a thread here

Meet Kiminess, an artist with a bit of a following on several popular art sharing sites. Around May of 2005, she was banned from Y!Gallery for flaming mods several times after they removed her art for policy violations. Apparently, Kiminess likes to trace over art from shota manga and claim it as her own. While this might be allowed at DA, it is highly frowned upon at Y!Gallery (An example of this can be seen in this picture of hers in comparison to this yaoi manga cover. Thanks sheep!). In late December of 2006, Y!Gallery 'forgave' certain banned persons, and among those allowed to return was Kiminess.

Fast forward to today. Kiminess again has art removed for tracing on Y!Gallery. As any respectable arteest would do, she writes an angry rant in her DeviantArt journal about what a jerkface Snover (Y!Gallery's founder) is.

( Barely readable wanking behind this cut. )

Well, sure enough, today she was banned for a second time from Y!Gallery (eta: You may need a Y!Gallery account to view this). Needless to say she had a few things to say about that. "I know DeviantART kids may be kinda retarded and immature at times, but at least it's all fun and games and not a bunch of Nazis that banhammer you if you say something out of line or forget to cite sources or something. Oo;;;"

She also felt the need to post about the banning on her FurAffinity account as well. "To make a long story short, they think I dramatize too much and I think they're Big Brother. O_o;" When asked by another user there to stop throwing comparisons to Nazis around, her response is as eloquent as can be expected: "Okay, Big Brother and his Thought Police. I could care less that they banned me, it's just the way they're going about it and hounding and just being overall cruel and rude when they're SUPPOSED to be administrators of a site. Just goes to show that they're nothing more then children, too."

There's a whole lotta anger in that there wank. (Moved over from C_W by request.)

ETA: Aaaaand some genius decided to link her to this wank on the front of her DA page. So I've taken screenshots in case of bahleetion. Just let me know if it happens and I'll post them.

ETA 2: Ooh! She hid their message from public view. Intriguing.

ETA 3: As expected, FA and DA journals have been deleted. Luckily I have screengrabs of all entries here.

jennaland delivers, quite literally, thoughts on yaoi.

Okay, so I'm a bit of a SasuNaru fangirl.

I like my Sasuke x Naruto, not as fond of Naruto x Sasuke, but I believe everyone is entitled to their personal preferences. And hell, anyone who belongs to the same fandom I do knows we all have our own pairing preferences.

That's why when I see someone write something like, "Sasuke x Naruto and Naruto x Sasuke IS THE SAME DAMN PAIRING," I get a little ticked off. Because, sure, the pairing characters may be the same, but the characters themselves are different. Different personalities. Different motivations. You get the idea.

And if I , as a girl, identify more closely with a specific character (Re: Naruto), and like to project myself into the story I'm reading, then the positions of the characters during sex really do matter. Because as much as I like penis, I don't have one, and if Naruto is the one giving rather than taking, then I can't relate to the story as well as I'd like to.

So to sum it all up: Yes, there is a difference, and no, I am not ignorant because I think there is a difference.

Thank you for your time.

After the inevitable explosion begins, this edit is made.

*EDIT* (I hate to do this, but people seem to be jumping to conclusions about my rant. Jesus, 15 posts in 5 minutes...)

No, this is NOT a SasuNaru is better than NaruSasu rant, that all comes down to personal preference.

This is also NOT a rant about characters changing personalities depending on positions in sex. As I say in my post, I IDENTIFY more with Naruto as a character than Sasuke, and in R or NC17 fics that helps me get into the story. I never mentioned that I enjoyed an oc Naruto, really it is quite the opposite. And having a specific preference for a x b, or b x a in a fic that doesn't include sex? Doesn't make much sense.

What this IS is a rant defending my right to have a preference between SasuNaru and NaruSasu. That is all.

I personally wasn't aware that there was or should be a difference, but what do I know; I'm just a humble roboslasher. Also, is emasculinating an actual word?

EDIT: Apology posted while I slept. Original post has been ba-leeted, but screencaps are available in the comments.

This was here before and apparently got deleted, but I think it deserves reposting.

For those of you unfamiliar, KH is one of the most subtexty games out there, and the majority of it's online fandom seems to be slashers. Rabid, fangirl slashers.

miriamthebat is not one of them, and she wants everyone to know it. Nobody really cares about her "I don't like yaoi" statement, and the rest of her post is completely unrelated to slash (which leads to many people rightfully going "Then why'd you bring it up at all?"), until she posts this lovely little comic (visible here for those without a DA account). (There's also some wank in the DA comments, Fishylove points out it comes off as more anti-gay people than anti-yaoi, Morurie points out Miriamthebat's a bit of a hypocrite pairing Axel with someone he doesn't get along with at all.)

Naturally, people aren't happy.

The OP feels the need to make an ETA:

Edit: Okay, I'm done arguing with you guys. Any more comments I get in responce to my dislike of yaoi are falling on deaf ears.

I'd like everyone to know that even though I dislike yaoi, I am able to be friends and respect people who like and love yaoi and tolerate their love of yaoi pairings as long as they're able to tolerate my dislike of them. I have not and promise I will not make negative comments on your posts about yaoi pairings in this community, and probally won't comment at all unless they're constructive to the conversation.

I'm sorry that my friends chose to post responces to this post. I didn't want them to respond, I just decided to post the link on my friends page because I thought the argument was pretty crazy.

So that's that. I'd also like to say that all of you guys who think I am persecuting you or rubbing hatred in your face when I say "I dislike yaoi" are batshit crazy.

And my personal favorite, from her post on antiyaoi:

The key phrase is "Friends don't let friends..." which is meant to imply that Roxas and Axel are only friends, therefore would not want to do the buttsecks with each other. The fanbrats are offended because they can't tell the difference between "friends" and "gay lovers".

. . .

Yes, I am aware that heterosexual couples do "buttsecks" too. I've experienced this first hand. Against my will. Which is why I dispise yaoi fangirls who adore drawing and writing gay males being raped, having them find pleasure in it and later fall in love with their rapist. Fanbrats who find this cute and perfectly acceptable, and desire for this to happen to characters they're supposed to love, make me sick and I will never respect them.

Editted for the DA wank. And again because I am incompetant and suck at life.

Okay, today's magical wank lesson will be 'The Philippines are not in South America'. This will not need elaborating.


So, Trinityhelix has been having some troubles with yaoi_daily...

I'll act this out with socks.


This green one will be Trinityhelix.

This tartan one will be the yaoi_daily mods.

Trinityhelix: s'up, y'all! I want to see about posting our work blah blah blah something about rules.

yaoi_mods: Sorry, only asians! *modifies rules to say south americans cannot*

Trinityhelix: d00dz, we ARE asian.

yaoi_mods: *made of silence*

Trinityhelix: ...?

yaoi_mods: ...WOW LOOK AT THE TIME it's the fan nature! THE FAN NATURE goodbye.

Trinityhelix: Fuck y'all, I'm going home.

THE END.


edit: I forgot to say, it was the lovely princess Cimorene who let me know this even existed. :D

Over on Anime News Network, the self-styled "Internet's Most Trusted News Source," there is an Answerman column written by Zac Bertschy. In addition to answering questions, Zac's been experimenting with adding new sections to his column. The latest is a weekly rant. However, Zac solicits these from his readers instead of writing them himself, cleverly absolving himself of all potential blame.

It's lasted a good month and a half or so now without sparking any major conflicts, so of course that had to change.

Clockwork Butterfly writes in to complain about yaoi fangirls, who are ruining his fandom. The catch? His fandom is Gravitation. Yes, that Gravitation. The yaoi gateway drug anime.

( Ruining, I tell you! )

In the Loveless community Raburesu, shotagoddess makes a post discussing whether or not Loveless is a "gay love story." Apparently the post was prompted by an encounter with a couple of goth anime fanboys at Waldenbooks, who called Loveless their "second favorite gay anime."
grayunderpants has an issue with this, and comments with "I get annoyed when boys try to appropriate the yaoi/BL genre too. It's a love story for girls, written by girs [sic], about guys. I so totally see the love in Loveless, but it's not "gay." Boys, read your own stuff! Grrrr...."

shinataku02, vulpecular, and iczer6 disagree...

 

 

So. yaoi_daily is a LJ community designed to, as you might have guessed, post daily scans of yaoi, let it be screencaps from anime, manga raws, scanlations or doujinshi, both scanlated or in raw format.

It has some... special, mods, you could say, but of course, since it's a friendslocked community, most of the wank remains silent.

However, apparently, the Mods have a policy: Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil, See no Evil about Yaoi Daily... Or Your Arse Will Be Banninated. Happened here!

That's not it, of course. What's new?

trinityhelix and friends have a doujinshi circle that's in the Phillipines and asks if it would be allright to post some scans of their work. She is told that no because apparently, they're not Asian enough for yaoi_daily.

Wank ensues. And now the question of the million thousand yen: When will the YD Mods appear to banninate everyone?

Within one column, Anime News Network has succeeded in poking just about every sore spot in the anime fandom's side. Presented today for your delight: Gay Porn is teh Gross, Piracy is teh Communism, and Naruto Fans are teh Idiots. Of all of these, which do you suppose got the biggest response and which was almost ignored?

For those who aren't familiar with the site, Anime News Network, bastion of "Trusted Anime News," runs a column titled Answerman. The idea is that confused anime fans can write in to Answerman (or, if Answerman is gone for a two-year hiatus, Mrs. Answerman) and get answers to their burning questions, which range from "Why do superheroes come in groups of five?" to "When's the second season of Fruits Basket coming out?"

( But what happens when you stop actually answering letters and start getting - real? )

Ah, old school anime wank is precious. Specially if it's Saint Seiya wank. I haven' seen StS wank THIS good since a certain online shop specialized in StS stuff got bitched at for supposedly staling merchandising, many years ago...

Get your Babelfish ready and COME WITH MEEEEEEE!

Enter holymegasaint, member of the saintseiya community in LJ. She posts spoilers without lj-cuts, posts only in Spanish without translating, and is heterosexist in the "ZOMG I LOVE HET AND YAOI/YURI ARE WRONG! way.

So... Non-wanky? Wait!

She "writes" an essay in Spanish about a certain Virgo Shaka, Gold Saint and Fan Bait Extraordinary. One of the StS comm members, however, soon notices that it's just the translation of another essay, which is originally in English..

People call her thief. She delets the comments. The author of the original essay waltzes in...

( I stole from you because I wanted people to SEE MEEEE! ZOMG WANGST! )

( for the ones that signaled me as a thief. YOU ALL SUCK YOU YAOI SLUTS! )

She says it's the last time. But it is NOT. There's a sort-of Spanish test about Saint instincts... which is a silly tweaking from a Spanish test about dogs.

And Spanish fans are now calling on her.

Of course, she banswhoever dares to criticize her, then insults him/her/it. (Spanish link, I'm just too tired to translate.

For the love of Athena, Odin, Poseidon, Lucifer, Eris, Ares and/or Hades, PLEASE someone stop this bitch. She's 25 and has the mentality of a rude, bitchy, and spiteful little girl.

Edit n°1:
Bookworm-e reminded me of these little jewels. Thank you!

First: A Poem about Myself. Only that I wasn't the one who wrote it - I actually used Enigma lyrics and thought no one would notice. And I also throw some more shit at yaoi when 'provoked'.

Second: What a pretty song by Eddie Reader. Of course i'll translate it and try to make it pass as mine! Silly me!

ZOMG the st00pid burns.

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Edit n° 2:

darknightrain translates her own Words of Wisdom!

( Bitch you got pwned by me! TWICE! )

Edit n° 3:

BAH-LEETED COMMENTS HERE! In both Spanish *and* English. Image-heavy. Thanks to bookworm_e and inupr0n for everything!

FIRST BATCH. Essay on Shaka comments

and

SECOND BATCH. How to Train you Saint

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Edit n° 4: MORE FORMERLY DELETED COMMENTS COME BAAAAAACK FROM THE DEEEEED! N°1 and 2 in Spanish and n°3 in English.

ALL the posterior bitching in the Train your Saint post. Complete with Mary Sue jokes and jokes about fangirlism.

ALL the posterior bitching in the Shaka essaypost

This happened when she posted the translation of the Train your Saint shit at the Saint Seiya comm.

So Shinichiro Watanabe's (creator of the lovely Cowboy Bebop) latest series is Samurai Champloo, a 26-episode anime series blending hip-hop and samurai swordfighting to come up with a hip little anachronistic show that is now airing on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. Countdown to wank in 5...4...3...

donquixote_ establishes two livejournal communities, champlooyaoi, and champloo_yaoi. Wow, what a dedicated fan, right?

Of course not! The two communities were both taken for their names, "before the stupid fangirls got their mitts on it". donquixote_ then posts a rant in each about how yaoi fangirls are delusional for seeing yaoi between the two main male characters. But it's okay for her to think that, as we find out that donquixote_ is bi! (And defends her point by saying that slashing straight characters is hurting the gay movement.)

More entertainment is found at champloo_yaoi over champlooyaoi. It's the underscore that makes all the difference, baby.

Wank is teensy, like our fandom. Awww.

=^..^=

*For the record, I find Champloo yaoi to be totally unbelievable, but not as unbelievable as creating a community to deter yaoi fans. For those of you looking for real snarky samurai yaoi, head to champloo_is_gay.

This is truly bytesized wank as it's basically only a couple of comments but I thought I'd post it anyway since Death Note wank is so rare and precious.

( Matsuda/Sayu supporters make Mello the gayest man ever OMG! )

Deleted before it could really go anywhere, but I thought I'd still share a bit of it. I've got bits and pieces of the responses but I was unfortunately not around to witness it--if anyone was, feel free to fill in any gaps!

Uploaded page here, but the links are all dead (rah, firefox). Credit goes to worstangel for saving it in the first place, and to theomeny for hosting it.

glassdarkly makes a post to the death_note community and proceeds to make a series of inquiries: how yaoi is the series, does L know that Raito is Kira, is L the grim reaper...

The replies start pouring in. Some people are helpful and patient, some are rude, others are just plain baffled that somebody dare infiltrate their fandom on the pretense of yaoi. fusakugyoku even pulls the "Nostradamous" card and prophecizes the invasion of the fangirls come October (his solution? genocide).

( Little gems, for anybody too who doesn't feel like giving it a skim )

And, of course, nothing says "end of discussion" like a tasteful photoshop banner.

(and in case I'm wanked reporting a wank, major spoiler warnings for the whole series.)

EDIT: And it's been brought to my attention that the issue is still a hot one among the deathnote fen. Noteworthy is this post where they're beginning to feel the onset of panic re: the n00b invasion. Will this end up like fm_alchemist, with a ratings system for posts and a custom FAQ guide? Tune in next week whenever: same wank time, same wank channel.

First wank report, yadda.

In the DMC LJ icons community, mortenuova pimps demoncest, a newly created community for fans of Vergil/Dante.

I'm just pimping our new Virgil/Dante community. XO If you hate Virgil/Dante, or pimping. Ignore me! (We will be having icon challenges and so on and so forth—we're actually having one now.)

Ha ha. *run*

parsephoni proceeds to ignore the "ignore me" part and completely spazzes out about the OP being "a fucking pro-incest sick bitch" (although she said nothing about all the Vergil/Dante icons posted to the comm) and about the spelling of Nelo Angelo's name.

I'm still surprised it took THREE GAMES before this pairing got wanked.

ETA: And as the mod steps in, Parsephoni proceeds to suck up as if she wasn't the one who royally flipped out in the first place

ETAA: From the above sucking up thread:
Parsephoni: Also, I did not assume the girl was pro-incest. She made a community celebrating homosexual sex between twins. It’s obvious that she is.

The Logic is weak in this one.

OP: Haven't you ever noticed how a lot of girls read Death Note only for TEH HAWT bishounen?

A lot of girls: No.

OP: No, wait. By "alot", I meant "a few".

230+ posts and counting.

ETA: We've achieved Godwin! And now the OP is starting to freeze threads! Can BAH-LEETION be far behind? If anyone wants to start screencapping, I've got webspace to host.

ETA 2: The OP has left a "I wasn't insulting at all except to the girls I was referring to in my original post nyah nyah so there" message, with replies frozen so he doesn't have to listen to rebuttals. ( Saved here in case of BAHLEETION )

ETA 3: And potentially deleting comments! (I'm not entirely sure the OP did it and not the commentor. I got confirmation from the commentor - it was the OP.)

ETA 4: BAH-LEETION! And the Wankgard Serpent bites its own tail.