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hamsterledoom ([info]hamsterledoom) wrote in [info]fw_debate,
@ 2007-02-22 16:24:00


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But is it WANK?
It's big, that's for sure. If wank were an infectious disease like that one in Outbreak, this would be the apocalyptic bird flu of wank, infecting everything it touches.

Jim Zumbo is one of the biggest names in hunting/sport shooting ever to come down the pipe. He goes way beyond BNF status; he's actually sponsered by names such as Gerber, Remington and Outdoor Life magazine.

And then he opens his mouth to insert feet. Blogging about his recent sponsored coyote shoot with the new Remington rifle, he opines, ""

Must copypasta because, naturally, it has been bahleeted. Text was reposted for posterity pretty much everywhere though.

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.
(Bitch, plz. I've fired 'em myself. Bad hunter BNF!

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.




That sound you heard? The collective gasp of every hunter or sport shooter with internet access. And then the internet exploded with the "O NOES U DINNIT!!" heard round the world.


Hi Mountain Seasonings drops sponsorship of Zumbo.
Blogs with bonus macros.
Ted Nugent to the rescue
Online mag: "Dude, ur such a tard. GDIAF."
Outdoor Life fires Zumbo
The motherfuckin' NRA fires Zumbo. Srsly, Zumbo, a hunter ought to know the meaning behind "ten pounds of shot fired from a five pound cannon."
The Outdoor Channel cancels his show.
naturally, Remington gives him his walking papers too.

Shockingly, you're viewing a still rapidly-mushrooming issue. Every few hours something else hits the web - a new sponsor dropping him, some obscure outdoor writer siding with him, yet another poorly phrased apology - and the internet explodes again. I keep picturing [info]wankprophet collapsing onto a chair, clutching his heart and gasping, "It's as if... somewhere... millions of people just began wanking and wanking and wanking and OH GOD-"

Just when you think he mkight be able to salvage his career, Sarah Brady, yes, THAT Sarah Brady, opens her mouth and pisses off millions.



Unverified copypaste, so full of inaccuracies that it is either written by a politician (thus true) or stupid propanganda. So it's probably true, but even so.

Even Remington's top gun writer agrees on Assault Weapons

With important writers such as this on our side, it is clear that we
have a cultural imperative to remove dangerous terrorist rifles from
our streets, and our woods.

Jim Zumbo is a writer for the prestigious Outdoor Life magazine and
represents the views of America's true sportsmen. He is also sponsored
by Remington.

but this is the other part

Monday, February 19, 2007

The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles

I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of
Sniper Rifles. Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a
high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the
body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars.
Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA
certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your
children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these
weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even
penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and
armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with
an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and
protected lawful firearm commerce:

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for
penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and
2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored
vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a
600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....

..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues
to be sold in the United States of America.."

Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on
their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to
think so. We disagree.

Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what
the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within
millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances
of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able
to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as
self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those
who wish to murder from afar.

Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can
derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital
ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air
traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why
large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit
http://www.50caliberterror.com. A shipment of large caliber
machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and
are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat
their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs.

Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy,
Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and
Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types
for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial
resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our
homes and lives have not been attained.

Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years,
with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower
Sniper, and more.

ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting
purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to
take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless
for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used
on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal,
inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks
it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large
cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much
greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from
missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is
unreasonable.

Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic
mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet
into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states,
they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one.
If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by
going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A
murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly
turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the
United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run
tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down.

Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal.
They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with
deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that
can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending
your house.

We should also give commendations to France because many years ago
they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as
a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and
unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and
6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms
shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing
PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population.
Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians
to own them.

Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the
caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of
rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these
hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty
"sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel
length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night
vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum
and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed.
They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage
should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms
and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and
rounds of ammunition to choose from without them.

Let us hope that in a safer, saner America, we will succeed in our efforts to restrict the deadly spread of long distance murder rifles.



Told you it was huge. I'm still hunting the umpty-billion post wanky discussions. In this case, fire=smoke. If I find them, and if this constitutes wank, it goes in OTF, yes?


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[info]sashenka
2007-02-22 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Obviously *someone* doesn't think it's awesome to shoot a small animal with a firearm so powerful it will make the fuzzy little creature's head explode.

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[info]mindset
2007-02-22 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Did you mean to post this in fw_debate or clairvoyantwank?

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[info]hamsterledoom
2007-02-22 10:56 pm UTC (link)
fw_debate. This isn't even a proper wank report. I saw this post and a few others similar to it, and thought this was the place to ask. I probably should have been more obvious with my questions (or they just got buried in all that linkage):

Is this wank already?
If not, finding the enormous LJ/message board type discussions wherein people spew capslock of rage over 300 pages would make it wank, yes?
If this is wank, it goes in OTF?

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[info]mindset
2007-02-22 11:00 pm UTC (link)
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. This is not a question about what community a wank goes in, that would be "I have a wank about rifles, where does it go?" This is a wank report, because, you know, it has huge-ass excerpts and a billion links. And yes, take it to OTF.

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[info]hamsterledoom
2007-02-22 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Maybe I'm being dense. I do that sometimes.

I didn't think I was asking, "rifles go in OTF, correct?" I was asking, "I've got a billion links, long-assed excerpts and nothing else. Clearly someone is losing their shit here but THAT I can't find. Links and excerpts = news or wank?"

I figured if I put this in clairvoyant I'd get a response of, "This is F_W, not CNN. TRY AGAIN PLZ."

Sorrydon'thurtme. Boobies of appeasement?

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(Anonymous)
2007-02-22 11:12 pm UTC (link)
Ah, well, they are very *nice* boobies. :)

Clairvotantwank gets news articles like this all the time, don't worry. It could stay there until you see someone wanking about it on messageboards or LJ. (Usenet is always a good place to look.) Mind you, you might get the wank in clairvoyant itself if you don't watch out...

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[info]mindset
2007-02-22 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Wagh. I keep logging out on this computer. Fragging cookies... :/

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[info]mindset
2007-02-22 11:18 pm UTC (link)
I should also say that even if you don't find things on LJ, the actual participants are already wanking, so OTF itself is fine and you can bypass CW if you like. :)

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[info]white_serpent
2007-02-22 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Agree with mindset.

Hell, yes, it's wank already.
And take it to OTF.

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[info]yadda
2007-02-22 11:42 pm UTC (link)
fw_debate is for discussions about the fw community itself (i.e. mod decisions and rule changes), not wank.

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[info]puipui
2007-02-23 01:28 am UTC (link)
Wow. I think that's the longest fw_debate post I've ever scrolled past. Impressive.

Can you break it down into a sentence for me? I'm lazy.

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[info]wolfsamurai
2007-02-23 01:35 am UTC (link)
Big shot hunter opens his mouth and says something that the rest of the hunting world doesn't agree with. Wank ensues on a really impressive scale with dropping of sponsorships, hunter getting fired, etc, etc.

Okay, it's two sentences, but close enough.

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[info]puipui
2007-02-23 02:35 am UTC (link)
So... why's it in fw_debate? I don't get it. I mean, sure, I could probably scroll up and find out, but that's a lot of words to wade through, there.

No, wait, actually, don't tell me. I think I just don't care enough to know. Sorry.

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[info]hamsterledoom
2007-02-23 01:54 am UTC (link)
Yeah, working on that as we speak. That's why I indicated to [info]mindset that it wasn't a proper wank report: too many words, not enough funny.

Would be easier if I could find the hard articles intact. The tossers keep deleting shit.

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[info]puipui
2007-02-23 02:49 am UTC (link)
too many words, not enough funny

True enough. But why is it here, though? This is fw_debate, where we talk about FW and how it is run. This is not fw_wank_report_critique, where we help you be funny. You have to learn that part on your own, really.

I'm sincerely baffled as to why there's a gigantic wank report - complete with huge-ass C&P that you admit is "unverified" and something about bahleetions so we're just going to have to take your word for it, along with a bunch of tl;dr that I skipped over because it was boring, except maybe for that completely unnecessary WP name-drop that stood out rather badly and didn't actually characterize him very well - posted to fw_debate, with a question half-assedly tacked on at the end that you've already answered yourself in the question. What exactly did you want us to do with this infodump?

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[info]hamsterledoom
2007-02-23 03:16 am UTC (link)
I r dumbass. I'll lj-cut to get the big entry from killing f-lists.

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[info]slackerbitch
2007-02-23 06:24 pm UTC (link)
You kinda missed her point, there.

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[info]white_serpent
2007-02-23 02:39 am UTC (link)
Here's the original post + a comment from the editor + an apology which someone harvested from the RSS feed.

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[info]hamsterledoom
2007-02-23 02:51 am UTC (link)
You are an ANGEL of MERCY. I've spent hours digging through a 52-page thread on ARFCOM in the hopes someone copied it.

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[info]white_serpent
2007-02-23 03:09 am UTC (link)
No problem. This is what I'm good at.

But, next time, if you aren't sure it's wanky yet, post to cw and not fw_debate. You can ask the "is it wanky yet?" and "which community?" questions there, too.

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[info]hamsterledoom
2007-02-23 03:17 am UTC (link)
You're so nice to the feeble n00b. You're setting me up for obligation sex, admit it.

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[info]white_serpent
2007-02-23 02:50 am UTC (link)
And don't forget the petition!

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