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A pipe? No! ([info]also_not_a_pipe) wrote in [info]fw_debate,
@ 2008-02-06 16:20:00


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I was just talking to someone on some community or another about crazy people who write letters to the paper, and it made me think of this ridiculous controversy at the center of the letters page in Dayton's paper lately. The Dayton Islamic Society recently applied for permission to build a mosque in one of the snotty New Rich suburbs south of town. A little while before the zoning board turned down their application, it came out that a Baptist mega-church nearby had been stumping for support in blocking the mosque. You know the reputation Cincinnati has (or had on the 1980s and 1990s) for being a bunch of small-town crazy conservatives in a medium-sized city? Dayton wishes it was Cincinnati and tries to outdo it by being even crazier. The sort of people who make Dayton special yowling at each other in the letters column and the paper's anonymous phone-in comment column have been amusing enough, but now the wife of the mega-church's minister has written a four-column-long letter that more or less amounts to "We did not either say that! And if we did, well, how do you expect Christians not to bash other religions?"

I've been thinking about maybe posting something on it over at [info]fw_offine, but I'm not sure the lulz would translate well across mediums. While it fills me with glee and is fun in a dishy oh-no-they-di'nt way, I'm not sure that the humor doesn't depend on knowing the Dayton area. For example, the other major story in the paper about now is that Dayton is trying to figure out how to attract "a creative class" to make up for the fact that no one wants to live here any longer than they have to, but they don't seem to have worked out that making ourselves look like a bunch of xenophobic hicks isn't the way to go about doing that. I'm not sure I've found any quotes that are hilarious except for being about a situation that's so absurd.

So does the novelty of it happening in real life outweigh the srs bizness that is religious intolerance? And then, if I post it to [info]fw_offline which probably has all of three people watching it, does it really matter?


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[info]phosfate
2008-02-06 10:34 pm UTC (link)
FW offline is for, y'know, fandom wank that takes place offline.

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-02-06 11:39 pm UTC (link)
Right, but when I glanced at the community to see if I was perhaps thinking of a different community by the wrong name, it looked like about half of the public entries were fandom-related, another good chunk were sort of otf_wank_offline sort of things, and the last few I couldn't even tell what the post was meant to be about. Thus the confusion about whether this sort of thing would be okay there.

I'd already been leaning toward no, but I am the sort of person who is given to getting whims and then "Well, I think that seeing what happens when I put a butter knife in the toaster is a bad idea. But... it is, isn't it? Is it? The sparks might be really cool. I'm not sure, though. What if I unplug the toaster first, would that be okay? Validate me, OMGZORS!" about them. I'm never really sure of anything until I embarrass myself over it in public.

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[info]phosfate
2008-02-06 11:42 pm UTC (link)
I see no reason why you shouldn't put a butter knife into a toaster, if that helps.

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[info]puipui
2008-02-06 11:48 pm UTC (link)
Sometimes I'm just so overwhelmed with love for you.

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[info]phosfate
2008-02-06 11:52 pm UTC (link)
Oh, like you've never done it!



bzzzzzzzk! Hee-hee-hee.

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[info]chaimonkey
2008-02-06 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Oh, Dayton. You make us Cincinnatians look good - and, for the reasons pointed out above, that's terribly sad.

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-02-07 01:20 am UTC (link)
Isn't it? I've never found Cincinnati all that crazy, but then look at what I have for comparison.

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[info]puipui
2008-02-06 11:27 pm UTC (link)
Now that you've already basically posted it here, does it matter where else you put it? What's the fw_debate question here? And what does it have to do with fandom? And how would anyone know you're not just making it up if they don't live in Dayton?

All that being said, though, if you so desperately need to share even more details, maybe [info]random_lounge?

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-02-06 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Well, the question was that I wasn't quite sure where to ask the question as pertained to other wank communities. That and, is there enough humor in this situation obvious enough to people outside the issue for it to be worth my lazy ass going to the trouble of rounding up links to news stories and opinion columns on the paper's website to actually show people the wank?

The answer to which is obviously "no," so okay. Good enough.

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[info]chaimonkey
2008-02-07 03:01 am UTC (link)
Well, this question is a good test-subject for determining (or double-checking) if [info]fw_offline is strictly fandom or other-than-fandom as well, since people seem to be using it for both.

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[info]wankaholic
2008-02-07 05:56 am UTC (link)
Nonsense. I'll have you know, coffee is fandom!

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[info]chaimonkey
2008-02-07 07:21 am UTC (link)
Elevator/Construction Work OTP!

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[info]gorogoro
2008-02-06 11:47 pm UTC (link)
It's a two-pronged win situation: there's people that will find the original wank funny and laugh, and there's people that will find all the SRS BZNESS GTFO comments funny and laugh. Practically win-win, really.

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[info]meyerlemon
2008-02-06 11:57 pm UTC (link)
I found this funny. Nothing delights me as much as small-minded petty bullshit.

Even the comments to this post are a good time.

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[info]hallidae
2008-02-07 12:45 am UTC (link)
Agreed. I needed a splash of amusement after a long walk with a sack of bottled teas.

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[info]meyerlemon
2008-02-07 01:15 am UTC (link)
after a long walk with a sack of bottled teas.

You know what I like best about that? How specific it is. Excellent.

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[info]hallidae
2008-02-07 01:30 am UTC (link)
Haha. It wouldn't have been so specific, but you never realize how heavy eight little bottles of tea can be until you have to carry them 25 blocks.

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[info]discokali
2008-02-07 01:10 am UTC (link)
It's stuff like this that reminds me why I moved the hell out of Ohio.

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2008-02-07 01:18 am UTC (link)
All I can say to that is "I know, right?"

(Holy heck, I went to OU. Dayton makes me miss Athens so badly.)

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[info]discokali
2008-02-07 01:27 am UTC (link)
Athens is the one thing I really, really miss. Sadly, more than my family. And Dayton may be bad, but it could be worse, it could be Chillicothe.

There's no 24hr diners in my area, I miss Union Street Cafe like burning.

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[info]hallidae
2008-02-07 01:33 am UTC (link)
How do you survive without a 24 hour diner? ::would starve during all-nighters were it not for Waffle House::

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[info]discokali
2008-02-07 01:48 am UTC (link)
It's only because I'm not a student. I don't know how folks at UC Berkeley do it.

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[info]gloria_mundi
2008-02-07 03:18 am UTC (link)
I think a lot of them go up to the International Student House or have transportation out to Rockridge or Oakland or something.

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[info]kijikun
2008-02-07 05:53 am UTC (link)
Wait what? No 24 hr yummy places around UC Berkeley? ;_; And it on the top of my list for grad school.

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[info]gloria_mundi
2008-02-07 05:57 am UTC (link)
Not that I know of, but I'm far from a party animal, was only there for three months, and stayed mostly in the dorm house.

You may want to make inquires at the Berkeley LJ comms.

Also, be advised that the East Bay Area is having a crime wave, often violent, and the numbers are climbing. It's not exactly a pleasant place right now.

You might consider Stanford. Better neighborhood, 24 hour bus service, and a fellow f_w member in the area.

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[info]kijikun
2008-02-07 07:03 am UTC (link)
Sadly, grad school is more about who will take me and the all important having a program in medieval studies or at least medieval history. /stops sharing

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[info]gloria_mundi
2008-02-07 07:07 am UTC (link)
Oooh. Good point.

Well I think you have a pretty cool major.

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[info]idiom
2008-02-08 02:40 am UTC (link)
Also, be advised that the East Bay Area is having a crime wave, often violent, and the numbers are climbing. It's not exactly a pleasant place right now.

Oh, it's always like that.

I am just so disappointed to see Stanford advised over the clearly superior university that is Berkeley.

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[info]darkrose
2008-02-08 10:04 am UTC (link)
While I would ordinarily take issue with that statement, the fact is that from what I've been able to tell, Cal does have a better medieval studies/Renaissance program than Stanford does.

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[info]idiom
2008-02-08 11:08 am UTC (link)
I tried to make it a bit over the top so it was less serious and obviously a put on/for exaggeration purposes only statement. I think extra bolding and italics would have been a smart move on my part to make that clear. No non-love to the school across the bay! I swear! We're all pretty and clever and full of ourselves, I'm sure made of WIN!

Here are boobs of apology.

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[info]darkrose
2008-02-08 11:14 am UTC (link)
Apology's not needed, but I'll always take boobies. Whose are those?

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[info]idiom
2008-02-10 02:04 am UTC (link)
Haven't a clue! And the user on LJ who made them as deleted and purged her journal and the icon journal is gone too, so I have no idea how to find out. The icons were described as generic "model" icons though.

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[info]gloria_mundi
2008-02-07 01:17 am UTC (link)
I think the verdict is in. Go ahead and post to fw_offline.

Bring the Lulz.

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[info]erototoxin
2008-02-07 01:47 am UTC (link)
What about otf_wank for "other than fandom" wank?

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flightstothesea
2008-02-07 03:01 am UTC (link)
For example, the other major story in the paper about now is that Dayton is trying to figure out how to attract "a creative class"

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It might help if there were, y'know, JOBS to be had in this state anywhere.


I doubt it would cause much of a stir, the offline comm being as quiet as it is, but it is kind of srs bsns and sad.

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[info]soupspooks
2008-02-07 04:36 am UTC (link)
If it's singularly un-funny, there's [info]unfunnybusiness. I'm trying to remember where I was pointed to after I brought something up that was offline. I think fw_offline.

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[info]herongale
2008-02-07 06:21 am UTC (link)
I thought "debate" meant discussion of general issues, not troubleshooting individual ones. After all, this could have just as easily been brought up with the mod of the community in question.

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[info]white_serpent
2008-02-07 07:58 am UTC (link)
At the risk of beading the dead pony...

I think it's a better fit for otf_wank than for fw_offline. fw_offline is for things impossible to find links for because they're things you encounter in real life, are an eyewitness to, etc., and it's supposed to be for fandom content. It took me only a couple of searches to find the links you're referring to; therefore, there's nothing disqualifying it from otf_wank-- except your concern that it might not be funny. If you're concerned about that, it's probably a valid concern.

I can see what you mean about her letter, though: It's not about RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE, it's about protecting the SOUL of our community! (Or, to read other letters, possibly about sewage, or maybe it's protecting the deer, the birds, and the pretty, shiny stars.)

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