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St. Ignatius of Antioch ([info]ignatius) wrote in [info]fwgreatesthits,
@ 2004-10-14 00:35:00


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Current mood:Fan-Fucking-tastic

The Cassie Claire Primer
I figured this would be a good resource to point people towards when Cassie invariably comes up in another wank, and someone wonders who she is, and why she's always mentioned. I used to read her Draco series back in the day on ff.net, so I’m pretty sure I have the timeline down.


Cassie’s Draco series was extremely popular on ff.net, until it was deleted because parts of it were plagiarized. There were two types of plagiarism going on- first, the use of direct or bastardized quotes from various TV shows and media, Buffy, Newsradio, ect. Some of her fans made a game out of trying to figure out all of the quotes, but others had no idea where she got her sharp turn of phrase- especially since, before the plagiarism scandal, she gave no credit at all to her sources.

(Edited in on 12/9/04: During a current wank, a helpful anonymouse gives us some examples of her manipulating quotes.)

The second kind of plagiarism was a bit more serious- a long passage from a Pamela Dean novel found itself in the middle of the second story, with just the names changed. Cassie then claimed she had written the passage in her journal years earlier, and when she came back and reread it, she thought it was her own original work. (...wtf?) So she changed the names and put it in her story. It remains there today- apparently in the meantime, Pamela Dean gave Cassie permission to use it. I’ve heard Cassie fangirls claim that it’s not really plagiarism, since she has permission, but she most definitely did NOT have it when it was originally posted.

Other people have posted other accusations of plagiarism or idea-stealing too.

So. Meanwhile. Cassie gets kicked off ff.net, and other popular authors and friends of hers pull their own work off too, as a show of solidarity. Because ff.net is so unfair! And also jealous h8ters. Soon after this, FictionAlley opens, hosting Cassie’s fic. From what I understand (and please [info]zorrorojo, forgive me for this analogy) the relationship between Cassie and FictionAlley is about the same as the relationship between Fandom_wank and JournalFen. Both FA and JF were in the works before Cassie or FW found themselves booted and in need of a new host. But the opening of the sites were pushed up and irrevocably linked with their respective, er, wankers.

In the meantime, Cassie turns up on Livejournal. She writes the extremely popular LOTR Very Secret Diaries (which you are totally NOT allowed to continue, even though it looks like she’s abandoned them). She insulted a fic over on GT, and got stalked and harassed by the psycho husband of the author. She continued to write, and write, and write, her Draco series (also, some Harry/Draco pr0n.) Basically, she became the BNFiest BNF.

Though all was not always well within her group of friends. [info]bnfshavemorefun has an entry describing the fallout between herself and Cassie, which made [info]fandom_wank several times in 2003.

Also in 2003, Cassie attended Nimbus. And yes, there was wank on that too.

She’s become so big, and synonymous with HP wank, that she gets mentioned all the time, even when the wank doesn’t involve her. (See the Cassie Claire Is Everywhere law.) Her journal gets posted to FW even on (IMO) dubious wank. She also gets name dropped all the time when the latest troll journal wants to kick up a fuss, or people want to speak out against what they perceive to be a negative aspect of fandom. Fanfic_hate? All over her.

The wankiest part of the wankapalooza that is the Cassie Claire experience is definitely her fangirls. Bless them. They’re like clockwork; they show up whenever Cassie’s mentioned. My favorite was the one who claimed that Cassie was super nice, because she actually acknowledged my existence that one time OMG! Sadly, that link’s lost to the ages.

Latest news: Cassie may have coerced her fangirls into buying her an ipod. Or her friends got together and bought her one. Whatever. Does it even matter at this point? It’s Cassie Claire. Ergo, it’s wank.

Edited 12/9/04 to clarify and expand, based on comments received (and also to add the comment noted in parentheses above):

[info]stellabymoor emailed me a copy of DS9 (the chapter that contained the portions of the Pamela Dean novel) saved from ff.net in January, 2001. Apparently, Cassie had this note at the end of the chapter:

"Credit for the inspiration for this conception of the wizarding afterlife goes to a book called The Secret Country, alas, I no longer recall who wrote it."

The Secret Country was Pamela Dean's book. Credit only went to “inspiration of the concept” of the wizarding afterlife, nothing about inspiration for any passages, and no mentions of Pamela Dean by name. Actually, "The Hidden Land" was the Dean book the passage actually came out of, but I heard someone say before that The Hidden Land was once called The Secret Country, and then it got split up into two books. Or something.

I believe the copy Stella sent me was correct because I did some independent research, and this matches what Xing gave as a defense when s/he booted Cassie from ff.net years ago.

I should also say that, while I’ve heard the “Cassie copied it into her journal and forgot it wasn’t hers” story many times, I can’t find a record of her saying it, so that part might be just oft-repeated hearsay, not the truth.

And since I’m finally updating this, let me include the latest wank Cassie’s currently involved in: After Cassie and her friends have their laptops robbed, fandom donates thousands of dollars in a matter of hours to replace them. Orchestrated by Heidi, of course. Wonderful display of fandom’s generous nature, or horrid abuse of BNFiness? Everyone’s got an opinon.

Edited 7/26/05: If you’ve been clamoring for a tl;dr breakdown of Cassie’s bannination from ff.net, then you’ll just love this subthread in the comments. Heidi takes offence at purplepopple’s comment, and (after suggesting the mods delete it, as it apparently contains “defamation”) replies with lots and lots of cites and links. White_Serpent replies with even more cites and links. I don’t even know why everyone’s arguing, as no one is denying that Cassie did what she’s accused of doing, and Heidi even confirmed that the author’s note included in DS9 was the one provided by Stella and posted above.

Edited 6/21/06: The Msscribe Story, posted by [info]charlottelennox, is an absolute must-read for anyone interested in Cassie Claire. The first chapter details early Harry Potter fandom and more information on the stalking incident, and goes from there into the story of a woman desperate to be in Cassie's Inner Circle, and the chaos (and sockpuppets) she created pursuing that goal.


Any corrections or additions? Comment away.



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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2004-10-14 12:06 pm UTC (link)
Might want to mention that the cries of "omg don't copy the VSDs!!!" are even wankier, since they are a complete rip of Bridget Jones's Diary and thus, while hilarious, not exactly an original idea.

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[info]khym_chanur
2004-10-14 01:05 pm UTC (link)
Plus, the VSDs are based on Tolkein's work. I've never understood people making some sort of fan work, and then being offended when someone else copies them. Dude, you just copied someone else's published work, so where do you get off on telling people not to copy your work.

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(no subject) - [info]tinybubbles, 2004-12-12 04:16 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-10-16 03:22 am UTC (link)
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Please tell me she's not claiming diary format is "copyrighted" to her. Or "the REAL story of [insert name/fandom here]." I was always willing to give her the benefit of the doubt as I thought it was just her fangirls crying plagiarism whenever they saw a humorous diary-format fic. But if they're taking after her... ^^;;;

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[info]pyratejenni
2004-10-14 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Did you include Cassie whining that Aja plagiarized "A Season in Hell" by posting "Twelfth Night"? even though Aja had finished TN first and didn't put it anywhere so Cassie could Wow the Masses with her plotless piece of shit angsty Callous!Harry goodness?

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[info]ignatius
2004-10-14 05:26 pm UTC (link)
D'oh!

There was just so much Aja-Cassie wank, I gave up trying to summerize and threw what links I had up- I'm serious, the whole Aja mess deserves its own greatest hits post. "The twattiest twat in twatville"? The veela-inc banning of her entire college? The rant and defriending?

But you're right, the whole "plagiarising the plagiarist" thing was hella-funny, and more to do with Cassie. I did link to the fw post on that, but it just jumps right to the part where a paranoid fangirl shows up. I might edit later.

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(no subject) - [info]bookshop, 2004-10-15 04:26 am UTC
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[info]vassilissa
2004-10-15 01:52 am UTC (link)
*icon love*

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[info]birdjsc
2004-10-14 07:05 pm UTC (link)
Wow! I stopped reading CC's around the middle of the third(?) fic (fic had been dragging for a while), so I wasn't aware of some of the stuff that went on later. What a pile.

There are a couple of things wrong near the beginning, though, if I recall correctly:

I think that CC always vaguely cited the quotes, from the start. i.e., "There are quotes from Buffy, Blackadder, and a whole bunch of other places in this chapter." I remember though that I didn't have any idea which lines were quotes, nor how much of the dialogue was quoted until I ran into a breakdown of one of the chapters on a forum.

I'm certain that CC always knew that the passage she lifted was from a Pamela Dean book. It's sorta fuzzy, now, since it's been years, but I think she had copied it to a notebook earlier and didn't recall off hand which book it was, and she couldn't be assed to look it up. So, she posted a vague disclaimer at the top that there was a part of the chapter which was "inspired by a novel by Pamela Dean." I think she thought of it as a part of the "game" between her and her readers to identify the passage. Mind you, most of her readers weren't in on her "game" and hadn't read the Pamela Dean book, and she didn't say that it was nearly word-for-word.

Her supporters and detractors argued for weeks on the now-defunct fanfiction.net boards about whether a disclaimer like that was actually a disclaimer and whether it was really plagiarism since she'd "disclaimed" it, and whether it mattered if she'd disclaimed it at all, since it was lifted almost word-for-word. Good times.

After the shit hit the fan, she went back and edited that disclaimer so that it said the name of the book, and I think replaced the inspired part with something else? I don't remember. I'm pretty sure that you're right about Pamela Dean giving her retroactive permission, though.

Rest sounds great. :-)

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[info]esorlehcar
2004-10-14 07:12 pm UTC (link)
I think that CC always vaguely cited the quotes, from the start. i.e., "There are quotes from Buffy, Blackadder, and a whole bunch of other places in this chapter."

No, she didn't. That didn't appear on her stories until somewhere in the second novel length story in the series. I read it months after the plagiarism scandal, and at that point, there was still no attribution until a note partway through the second novel, which said, "Wow, I've been remiss in not mentioning all the place I've borrowed quotes from!"

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(no subject) - [info]birdjsc, 2004-10-14 07:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hugsnkisses, 2004-10-14 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stellabymoor, 2004-10-15 08:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2004-10-16 09:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stellabymoor, 2004-10-17 04:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2004-10-17 07:50 pm UTC

[info]hugsnkisses
2004-10-14 09:59 pm UTC (link)
This is wonderfully detailed, nice to travel back and visit some good old wank so easily. Kudos! :)

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[info]ignatius
2004-10-16 09:47 am UTC (link)
Thank you. It really is amazing what you can get done when you're avoiding studying for a test. :)

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[info]sluggirl
2004-10-16 01:01 am UTC (link)
I'm confused as to what exactly happened between Aja and the rest of them. Is there backstory available?

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[info]ignatius
2004-10-16 10:05 am UTC (link)
Ack, it's long and complicated. There's some of it under my "probably enough" link. Basically, Aja posted a rant against Ivy, mentioning the fact that Cassie had to hide the fact that she and Aja was friends. Because some of Cassie's friends didn't like Aja, I guess, and because HP fandom can't do anything easy. Cassie was pissed (because her good name was dragged into it or something, though the note didn't say anything bad at all about her) and made a now-deleted terse note of it in her LJ. As usual, Cassie's friends and fangirls were the ones on the vocal attack, posting about how completely out of line she was, blah blah they couldn't believe it. And Aja got defriended.

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omgdraaaamaaa! - [info]sluggirl, 2004-10-16 11:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bookshop, 2004-12-09 04:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2004-12-09 04:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sahz, 2004-10-22 08:14 am UTC
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[info]panthea
2004-10-20 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Did anyone else notice that there's a Cassie Claire birthday community? 'Cause, whoa.

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(no subject) - [info]ignatius, 2004-10-22 10:15 am UTC
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[info]chaimonkey
2004-12-09 05:54 am UTC (link)
At least she's well-read? ... yappari

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[info]luna
2004-12-09 05:54 pm UTC (link)
Aaaah, very helpful and good to have bookmarked.

Having to figure this all out on your own when you're new to fandom is quite a chore.

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[info]ramlatch
2005-03-03 05:19 am UTC (link)
Jesus christ I wish I could do something like that. Just be like 'YO. MINIONS. I need money to pay for another year of COLLEGE. Like, WOE and stuff.' and like... actually get the money. Because damn, she got enough money to probably pay for half a year of college where I'm going.

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What happened FF.Net wise: Detail clarification
[info]purplepopple
2005-07-05 05:16 pm UTC (link)
She wasn't black listed for any quotes but the Pamela Dean ones. :/ Those were the ones that were reported.

And she was contacted no less than four times, once in reviews and three times via e-mail, before she was black listed. One of of those e-mails suggested she fix them or she'd be reported. Another told her that she was being investigated by FF.Net staff for plagiarism. Cassandra Claire never responded to any of these e-mails, nor the reviews. I don't know what that means in the context of what she said as Cassandra Claire said two different things: She never recieved any warning and she was on vacation and thus could not access her e-mail and could not have known.

Additionally, Cassandra Claire said she had permission at one point from Pamela Dean to use those passages. That is factually incorrect. She never had permission. In fact, by the time that Cassandra Claire finally got around to ASKING Pamela Dean, about a week after she'd been propogating that lie, the staff at FanFiction.Net, the person who lodged the original complaint and other paries had already been in contact with Pamela Dean who said nope, no permission, yes plagiarism.

Which, if you look at the posts from CC's list at that time, where the fan girls said if she had permission, FF.Net should let her stories go back and should have waited for CC to get back from vacation, make the whole thing laughable. They had over 5 pages of documentry evidence regarding CC's plagiarism from the PD books (It wasn't just a few lines. It was PASSAGES and PASSAGES) and she didn't have the permission she said she had. What could FF.Net's staff do or say in light of the rabid fangirlism and the spin to protect CC's interests and the fan girls own interests?

But those are some of the facts set straight.

Because I haven't really said anything for years about my involvement and I've been quiet. And the spinning rather annoys me. Heidi and Cassie might have their own version and fandom might have what amounts to their urban legend version... but for the most part, that other view of what actually went down has been quiet because the wank and the terror is kind of scarey.

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Cites! I've got cites and links! - [info]heidi, 2005-07-07 07:17 pm UTC
Continued - [info]heidi, 2005-07-07 07:20 pm UTC
Yes, there's more. It's really not that interesting. But it is continued... - [info]heidi, 2005-07-07 07:21 pm UTC
Part 7 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:36 pm UTC
Re: Part 7 - [info]heidi, 2005-08-08 06:30 pm UTC
Re: Part 7 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-08 08:10 pm UTC
Re: Part 7 - [info]heidi, 2005-08-17 03:17 pm UTC
Re: Part 7 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-17 05:34 pm UTC
Re: Part 7 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-17 09:45 pm UTC
Re: Part 7 - [info]white_serpent, 2006-05-05 06:56 pm UTC
Re: Part 7 - [info]white_serpent, 2006-05-05 06:57 pm UTC
Part 8 -- and done. - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:38 pm UTC
Re: Part 8 -- and done. - [info]heidi, 2005-08-08 06:42 pm UTC
Re: Part 8 -- and done. - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-08 09:56 pm UTC
Re: Part 8 -- and done. - [info]heidi, 2005-08-17 03:26 pm UTC
Re: Part 8 -- and done. - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-17 04:21 pm UTC
Re: Part 8 -- and done. - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-08 09:56 pm UTC
Re: Continued - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-19 05:35 pm UTC
Part 5 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:34 pm UTC
Re: Part 5 - [info]heidi, 2005-08-08 06:10 pm UTC
Re: Part 5 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-08 07:42 pm UTC
Part 6 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:35 pm UTC
Re: Part 6 - [info]heidi, 2005-08-08 06:19 pm UTC
Re: Part 6 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-08 07:58 pm UTC
Re: Cites! I've got cites and links! - [info]eljuno, 2005-07-11 03:24 pm UTC
And I can cite and link, too. Part 1. - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:29 pm UTC
Part 2 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:31 pm UTC
Re: Part 2 - [info]heidi, 2005-08-08 05:45 pm UTC
Re: Part 2 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-08 07:08 pm UTC
Part 3 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:32 pm UTC
Re: Part 3 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:45 pm UTC
Part 4 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-07-25 07:33 pm UTC
Re: Part 4 - [info]heidi, 2005-08-08 05:58 pm UTC
Re: Part 4 - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-08 07:20 pm UTC
Why we argue
[info]white_serpent
2005-07-27 01:22 am UTC (link)
I don’t even know why everyone’s arguing, as no one is denying that Cassie did what she’s accused of doing

I intend this to be my last comment to the thread unless someone asks me a direct question.

The reason why we're arguing is because Heidi has spent the last four years making the following series of assertions (which you can read into her long series of posts):

(1) The television quotations don't count. There aren't that many, and Cassie always said they were there, at least in general terms.

(2) The Dean passage isn't "plagiarism," per se, because Cassie always had a disclaimer of one form or another-- so the author might not have been credited in the proper way, but she was always credited. (It might have been different if there had been no credit at all, but, since there is one, however poor, it's not plagiarism.)

(3) It's only 500ish words of a much longer story which Cassie wrote herself (minus a few quotations; see point 1).

(4) Cassie wasn't seeking to profit from it, so no court would probably conclude it was copyright infringement anyway-- because no money was made.

(5) Fanfiction itself is copyright infringement, so this is no different and fanfiction.net staff were a bunch of hypocrites (in more than one way) for deleting her account regardless of the TOS.

It is important to understand that Heidi and the rest of Cassie's fangirls really and truly firmly believe assertions 1-5 above, all evidence to the contrary. (No, I mean it. They do.)

(1-3 are obviously false. I don't know about 4 and 5, but I'd rather not see a test.)

So, right, whatever. Roll eyes, point, laugh, boycott FictionAlley, laugh some more, read interview with Cassie talking about how "in character" DT characters are, laugh hysterically, read comments that Rowling should allow Cassie to take over writing the HP novels or at least professionally publish the DT, roll around screaming with laughter. It's what I've been doing for four years. It's been fun.

But, Heidi's recently (last few months) been insinuating that Michela's guilty of libel/defamation for claiming Cassie "plagiarized" and that Dean was ever "uncredited." It's generally coupled with a vague threat of legal action. After the third time seeing this in the past two months, I've finally reached the level of frustration necessary to actually respond.

Heidi's not doing Cassie any favors. I'm not either, but then, I'm not trying.

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Re: Why we argue - [info]heidi, 2005-08-08 05:37 pm UTC
Re: Why we argue - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-08 10:49 pm UTC
Re: Why we argue - [info]white_serpent, 2005-08-10 06:34 pm UTC
Re: Why we argue - [info]sahz, 2005-10-12 02:48 pm UTC
Re: Why we argue - [info]emiweebee, 2005-11-29 12:20 am UTC
Re: Why we argue - [info]heidi, 2005-12-06 03:39 pm UTC

thebitingfaery
2005-08-03 02:52 pm UTC (link)
Let's not forget the newest wanking the JKR must have read Cassie's Draco Trilogy, since horcruxes resemble epicylical charms and there are a few other similar themes.

Cassie should TOTALLY write the seventh book instead of JKR!!!!

According to her fans, of course.

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(no subject) - thebitingfaery, 2005-08-03 02:52 pm UTC

[info]doroc_sabah
2005-11-16 11:42 pm UTC (link)
LOOOOORRRRRLLLLL... because I'm worth it.

What does 'BNF' stand for?

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[info]white_serpent
2006-06-19 08:26 pm UTC (link)
I will note for the record that the cassie_and_rhysenn list has been deleted, and the majority of the posts dated 6/23/2001 on the Paradigm of Uncertainty list have also been deleted. As a result, some of the links I have cited above no longer go to the posts they originally referenced. I have not verified the other mailing lists, but, at this moment, the Ranting_page list remains in its original format.

If anyone would like copies of the missing posts, I believe I have them available, either electronically or in printouts.

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(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-20 02:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2006-06-20 06:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-20 02:11 pm UTC
Cassandra Claire's original disclaimers
[info]purplepopple
2006-06-20 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Apologies if these were posted in this thread already...

Examples of Cassandra Claire's original disclaimers
These disclaimers date to June 28, 2001 and links are provided to where they were archived. As of 2005, the disclaimers were not changed to acknowledge the plagiarized material or to credit the original author.

Draco Sinister - Overall - Disclaimer posted by web site archive
"Disclaimer: The plot and what ever things Cassandra Claire invented belong to Cassandra Claire. All characters from the Harry Potter series belong to J.K. Rowling. Anything else belong to who ever owns it. Don't sue me cause all I own is this site. Minzzer"
http://minzzer.tripod.com/cassandra_claire.htm



Draco Sinister - Chapter 9
"Disclaimer: Not mine, JK’s. There are quotes in here from Red Dwarf (back when it was funny), Blackadder, Buffy, and I realized I’d criminally neglected Terry Pratchett so far, so made up for it by nicking several quotes in this chapter at once."
http://www.angelfire.com/al/Diarys/DS9.html


Draco Sinister - Chapter 11
"Disclaimer: Not mine, JKR’s. All of it."
http://www.angelfire.com/al/Diarys/DS11.html


Draco Sinister - Chapter 15 Cookie
"This cookie contains a line from Buffy. She can stake me personally if it bothers her."
Subject: [[cassie & Rhyseen]] DS15 cookie
June 27, 2001

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Cassandra Claire on the Plagiarism accusation
[info]purplepopple
2006-06-20 02:15 pm UTC (link)
The following are some quotes from Cassandra Claire on the situation:

"All I can say is that beyond neverhiding the fact that quotes in the stories are taken from Buffy, Monty Python, Red Dwarf, and so on, I've clearly stated it in my disclaimers for the stories, there have been multiple (and in-depth) discussions on PoU about the quotes with people having fun identifying them, and I even have an unofficial quote-nabbing game with some of my fellow authors."
Subject: [cassie & Rhyseen] *is quietly mystified*
June 23, 2001


"As for The Secret Country, I also stated in my disclaimer that Draco's trip to the afterlife was an homage to Pamela Dean, and a friend of hers (Pamela Dean's) wrote me after I posted it nd said she loved the homage, thought it was great. There was some discussion of Dean's books on the PoU list as well afterwards. I was planning to do some crossover stuff with it down the line. "
Subject: [cassie & Rhyseen] *is quietly mystified*
June 23, 2001

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Back story and details... - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:29 am UTC
The Letter (Part 1) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:33 am UTC
The Letter (Part 2) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:34 am UTC
The Letter (Part 3) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:35 am UTC
The Letter (Part 4) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:36 am UTC
The Letter (Part 5) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:36 am UTC
The Letter (Part 6) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:37 am UTC
The Letter (Part 7) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:37 am UTC
So how is it connected? - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 02:45 am UTC
Re: So how is it connected? - [info]ignatius, 2006-06-22 03:18 am UTC
Re: So how is it connected? - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 03:25 am UTC

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(no subject) - [info]purplepopple, 2006-06-22 04:08 am UTC
New Cassandra Claire plagiarism thing...
[info]purplepopple
2006-06-25 09:58 pm UTC (link)
It can be found here.

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Re: New Cassandra Claire plagiarism thing... - [info]ignatius, 2006-06-28 02:57 am UTC


 
   
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