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vanceone (vanceone) wrote in [info]harmonywank,
@ 2006-08-13 09:13:00


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I see that Bad_penny appears to be in the process of successfully getting a couple of people pretty much run out of town tarred and feathered.

I'd feel a heck of a lot better about it all, if it weren't for the fact that 1) it seems really, really vindictive over there (I mean, why? Almost all of the commentators have not suffered anything personal from this) 2)it is really frightening the lengths people are going (trying to take it beyond fandom and into real life--calling the cops, emailing publishers, and now causing havoc at a convention). 3) if it wasn't a whole bunch of OBHWF shippers attacking H/Hr shippers. 4) Seeing as I myself have been attacked by a few of these people and I KNOW how they have distorted things about me, I can't help but be suspicious of how much they may be distorting this.

None of this is to say that I'm defending Cassie, or AngieJ or msscribe; I'm not. If they plagarized, and were sockpuppets, well, too bad for them. But witch hunts are not pretty, and I'm honestly wondering what, exactly, they could say if they were innocent? Is accusation proof over there?

Second, this has a huge stench of underlying grudge shipwank. Why have all these OBHWF people searched so deeply in H/Hr circles and fanfics to find all this stuff? The impression bad_penny is leaving is that only H/Hr shippers are the bad apples in fandom, and that is completely not the case. I would not be nearly as suspicious if they actually focused on someone other than H/Hr people. It's rather frightening how much time these OBHWF people have put in looking for faults in H/Hr types. I mean, say some well known R/Hr fanfic had plagarism in it--who would know? Would Bad_penny report it? And is anyone looking? They seem intimately familiar with H/Hr types, but are they inspecting their own?

This ultimately goes back to the whole question of why is it always the H/Hr people on F_W or other wank sites? I really don't think H/Hr is any wankier than other fangroups--there's nothing special about Harmony that makes it inherently wankier. So why are there numerous people who focus only on finding H/Hr stuff? Realistically, there are what, 10 regular H/hr shippers who post on JournalFen with any sense of regularity. Why is there so many more OBHWF people here, and why do they all focus on H/Hr? This isn't an attempt to complain, but I'm just asking. Probability says that in a much larger group of people, there would be more wank. Why isn't it reported? What is the obsession with bringing down H/Hr people? Calling police agencies, scouring H/Hr fansites for wanky things, writing hundred page novels just to expose people--and all of it targeted at one fangroup?

And if it isn't targeted at H/Hr shippers, then when will we see something mocked that isn't aimed at one?

I'm just wondering, that's all. I really am not defending any of the people featured on Bad_penny; I'm just noticing yet another trend of "it's all those insane H/Hr people" and I just don't think that only H/Hr shippers are the insane ones. With each new Bad_penny report, I question more and more whether that comm's purpose is dedicated to focusing only on H/Hr people, that's all. For instance, Major_Dallas at one point was accused of plagarizing an essay; I have no idea whether he did or not, but I saw the accusation. It never made it on F_W; it was quickly hushed up, and I don't know how it was resolved. It's very well possible he didn't and that was all solved satisfactorily, and he never plagarized at all. I did see the accusation, however. I have to believe there are other episodes like that scattered throughout fandom, not just H/Hr types. Will any of them be featured there? Or will it only be there if H/Hr people bring it--because OBHWF'ers won't?


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[info]estrella
2006-08-13 04:42 pm UTC (link)
It is not only that, actually when a OBHWF shipper acts wrongly they try to defend him/her and/or accuse the poster of grudgewank. Examples of this are what happened with the wank about Psychic_Serpent profitting from her fanfics, and the one about Emerson behaving as an ass in Lumos convention.
Not surpisingly some of the OBHWF are members of Emersonharem LJ community: I recognize miss_celestine, miss_eponine, redmonster, sandyclaws68, bluemeanies4, dim54 and greyashowl. All known OBHWF shippers, and some of them a part of F_W community.

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[info]willywanka
2006-08-13 04:53 pm UTC (link)
Psychic_Serpent profitting from her fanfics

I must have missed that one. Was she selling her fics?

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[info]estrella
2006-08-13 05:07 pm UTC (link)
She had her stories published as zines, but very expensive ones, between 60 and 90 dollars depending of the book of her trilogy.
I made a comment on the issue here:
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/929373.html?thread=111511645#t111511645
And here Vance reports the reaction of OBHWF shippers to my comment:
http://www.journalfen.net/community/wankitywank/11906.html
More details to the current update of this story:
Agent with Style (zine publisher) has removed the link to Barb's zines (and all the other less expensive hp zines they had).
Apparently Barb claims she sent a cease-and-desease note to AWS because she didn't know about this expensive zines, yet before her extra-expensive zines were mentioned at Fandom Wank she promoted them with a link at her web page. She removed that link and changed/erased several entries of her LJ and added back-dated entries as well to cover her ass right after the exposition of her actions at F_W (and wankitywank) and several people commented that they may had warned Scholastic about the copyright issue. (Screencap of Barb site before April 25th: http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7029/3b5xr.gif and now: http://geocities.com/psychic_serpent/home.html, Screencap of Barb's LJ before April 25th: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4051/2b7qw.gif and now: http://psychic-serpent.livejournal.com/?skip=20)

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(no subject) - [info]willywanka, 2006-08-13 06:10 pm UTC

[info]tesgirl123
2006-08-14 10:52 pm UTC (link)
RedMonster is in Albania working for the Peace Corps and is sporadically in the fandom, you might want to leave her out of this, or at least for a while.

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(no subject) - [info]estrella, 2006-08-15 02:29 am UTC
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[info]willywanka
2006-08-13 04:47 pm UTC (link)
Unless there's wank, I don't see any reason to report it. Deal with it in your ship, run them out or don't, whatever you feel is appropriate. But if there's no wank, why should it be on f_w (or other wank comm)?

I don't think I've ever reported wank before. I will not report wank from my flist, and in other cases, I'm usually not aware of it. Perhaps that's why there's not as much OBHWF wank being reported? They don't want to wank their friends? If not, I'm not sure why there isn't as much posted. I don't float in OBHWF circles.

I felt there was some grudge in the plagiarism report, but not ship grudge. [info]white_serpent ships Snape/Black. Her grudge was against CC/Heidi not for what they shipped, but for their behavior in the past regarding CC's plagiarism.

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[info]estrella
2006-08-13 04:52 pm UTC (link)
The problem is that if a OBHWF shipper reports H/Hr wank it's OK, but if an H/Hr shipper reports OBHWF shipper they shout "Grudgewank!"

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(no subject) - [info]willywanka, 2006-08-13 04:53 pm UTC

vanceone
2006-08-13 08:52 pm UTC (link)
Well, but there wasn't any wank with Heidi and the rest--this is out and out a witchhunt. Three times now, Bad_penny has spilled over outside of itself. Msscribe had police inquiries made about her, and school stuff, etc. It even showed up in the news, I think. Heidi and Ebony have been condemned and most likely will lose their place at a convention. Cassie Claire's writing career has been attacked. Each of those things is affecting more than just Journal_fen. F_W is supposed to not interfere in RL, just point and laugh. This stuff is going far, far beyond that now.

And the fact that reading the posters and commenters names is like reading a who's who of OBHWF shippers, while the targets are ALL H/Hr people, is disconcerting. Why is Bad_penny focused exclusively on H/Hr shippers and fandom? I realize they have tried to do a few other wanks, but they died quick and no one remembers them. It's been all about taking down the H/Hr types.

This has moved beyond F_W now, really. And none of them seem to care that much.

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(no subject) - [info]willywanka, 2006-08-13 11:09 pm UTC
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[info]musouka
2006-08-13 05:30 pm UTC (link)
I actually agree with a lot of what you said, vance, but I don't think it has anything to really do with shipping. I think the grudge is against the BNF status, not what couples they like.

I remember the fallout first hand when CC was kicked off ff.net for plagiarism, because I was there. I wasn't a member of the HP fandom at the time, but the issue kept on popping up in my other, utterly unrelated, fandoms. That's how big the lid was blown off this thing. And while I think it's a sort of interesting read to see where people have gone through and actually shown exactly how and where her sources were from, and the extent of it, I just don't see the point of bringing it up at this exact time.

This is not like Msscribe, where most of the people didn't know what she had really done. It's also unlike Msscribe in that CC plagiarizing other books for fanfiction is a relatively victimless crime that only makes herself look bad, whereas people in the Msscribe debacle were actually hurt by it.

Everyone knows CC plagiarized. Yeah, it's not okay. That's so painfully obvious it goes without saying. But the sheer virulence and glee some are showing over rehashing old news and "getting back at" certain fandom figures really rubs me the wrong way. If CC is still plagiarizing in her actual novels, then that is a big issue and she should be called on it. But, dragging something that happened years ago everyone and their dog knows about just because she has a book contract and you're suffering from self-righteous fever or envy isn't much better.

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[info]estrella
2006-08-13 05:36 pm UTC (link)
I agree with you. However, in the point that I agree with Vance is what I told [info]willywanka. A OBHWF reporting H/Hr wank it's OK, but a H/Hr shipper reporting OBHWF wank it's automatically grudgewank. So there's not equal opportunities for OBHWF wank to be reported, because, duh, OBHWF shipper won't report their own friends.

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[info]estrella
2006-08-13 05:41 pm UTC (link)
I mean, how do you think they would react if I wrote a review of Psychic_Serpent wank I mentioned above?

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(no subject) - [info]musouka, 2006-08-13 06:05 pm UTC
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vanceone
2006-08-13 08:02 pm UTC (link)
Well, I hope it's not about shipping. I don't really think so yet, because heck, the reports are convincing to me. Like I said, I'm not trying to defend anyone, I'm just wondering if it WILL become a H/Hr target zone. In that last thing about Ebony or what have you there was this long thread about what other H/Hr shippers they could target, and some regretful conclusions that as of right now they didn't know any one. I agree that the original posters, for the most part, aren't primarily motivated by shipping. But now that I see lots of people trying to extend the "stench" as it were to H/Hr people in general, it concerns me.

What baffles me more is the sheer energy and glee they spend on tearing people down. You know what--I don't like OBHWF. That's not news, I'm well known for it. I don't hang out in those communities; I don't go looking for wank. I don't read that fanfiction. Why do they do it to H/Hr people? Isn't it wankier to be so dedicated to hating a fandom group that people spend this much time looking to mock?

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[info]zyna_kat
2006-08-15 11:46 am UTC (link)
Everyone knows CC plagiarized.

Actually, no. Many of us had heard that CC plagerized, but until we saw the evidence presented in BP, we didn't know. The Bad_Penny accounts allowed people to see the evidence and decide for themselves.

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[info]flyingphoenix
2006-08-13 08:24 pm UTC (link)
Bad_Penny is to them like Santa Claus is to a little child. They get all wishes fullfiled.

After all this years...my that must be like a second birth of The Good ship and HMS Orange Crush.

And no...I don't think we ever see that day coming when people look at this with less biased eyes.

Aside I don't know a single H/Hr shipper who is that obsessed with the opposite ship that they even bothered to read their fics just to get anything against them to post on FW.

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vanceone
2006-08-13 11:00 pm UTC (link)
Off topic, but did pyratejenni just ban you from Bad_penny?

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[info]mmanurere
2006-08-13 09:42 pm UTC (link)
Honestly, Vance? I think one of the major reasons the Harmonians get wank-reported so often is that they hope (in the past it was "know") that you'll show up to fap all over the place and amuse everybody. There aren't many fandoms or branches of fandom which can be counted on to provide such a reliable source of amusement -- and remember, to F_W, the Cornfield, etc., the point of mocking wank is amusement, not serious discussion. HBP provided a sudden explosion of genuinely wanky fan activity, but showing up on Journalfen has only extended it. The suggestions that everyone making fun of wanky Harmonians (or HP fanwank in general) was an OBHWF 'shipper just made the mockery easier.

Yes, bad_penny gets wanky. Yes, there's grudgewank there. No, that's not an extension of F_W. You'll note that the wank currently at issue was reported on F_W to a decent response, and has been considered on the slightly more "serious" fandom_discuss. I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing the oppression here.

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vanceone
2006-08-13 10:42 pm UTC (link)
I'm not saying it is oppression, but that I see it is rapidly approaching another Cornfield type place. I just wanted to speak up before yet another JF comm becomes meant to bash H/Hr, joining STFU and the Cornfield.

See, there are a lot of F_W types who really are in it for the amusement. But there are also a lot of OBHWF types around who gleefully mix and mingle. In a word, the F_W crowd has been largely co-opted by OBHWF when it comes to HP wank. And most of the people who DO report the wank ARE OBWHF shippers. As Esicardi said above, why can they post it, but when we do, it's grudgewank?

You are right that from the general F_W perspective the Cornfield is amusement. They'd be just as happy to mock OBHWF. But notice what happens when anyone on the OBWHF side is brought up--the defenders come out in force. There's a huge chunk of people who think the Cornfield is only there to mock Harmonians, because that's what they are there for.

I'm not sure why you don't see that really, F_W was co-opted by one side of a two sided debate in a fandom. And while Bad_penny isn't F_W or associated with it, it's run by prominent types from there, and prominent JF types who are firmly on the OBWHF side.

The OBHWF shippers have invaded F_W, and they are determined to mock H/Hr. It's as simple as that. I don't think that it is a coincidence that Bad_Penny showed up after most H/Hr people were driven underground, or we basically stopped saying many things in public. Some people have a fetish with mocking H/Hr, and they won't ever stop.

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EXCUSE ME?
(Anonymous)
2006-08-15 11:42 am UTC (link)
Vance, have you NEVER heard of Gryffindor Tower?

Good god, those guys were the Harmonians of their day. GT related wank was rather much prevalent before the site disbanded.

-Meester Bond

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[info]pots13
2006-08-15 02:35 pm UTC (link)
From what I've seen (as a bit of a newbie in fandom, I'll admit that so may not know the whole story) is somewhat different. From what I've heard CC's fic was Harry/Draco as the main ship. I'm not sure if she ever identified herself with H/Hr although from the little of fandom history I gleaned during the MsScribe incident I think most BNFs were at least anti R/Hr (I know Angie's fic was supposedly to disprove that R/Hr could ever happen in fandom).
I think a great deal of the controversy has to do with the fact that they were BNFs, and that all three of them have been caught plagiarising. I have no doubt that some people have taken it to far, and as far as I remember that's why the admin at bad_penny has shut off anon commenting three times. While I'm not going to pass judgement on what the admin does (frankly it's her community, so if she completly locked down I would leave it as her decision and mourn the loss of fandom history), she does at least seem to be trying to keep RL seperate from Fandom [also note the fact that CC is posting under a close version of her fandom name].
As for no realy OBHWF wank on cornfield, I have to admit that I haven't seen any there and I do wonder if anyone does post it. I think I saw one example brought up in the examples (Estrella brought it up I think...) that was called for a mix of 'its not wanky' and 'grudgewank'. I couldn't tell for sure (I have trouble spotting wank, hence why I don't actively look for it), however if it was wank then I would say there was a problem. Maybe if someone has OBHWF wank, they could report it to fandomwank and/or cornfield (probably the cornfield) and we could see what the reactions are. [I can try to help write the report / post it if anyone needs help]
As for BSR, as far as I remember the plagiarism thing was about him using a theory that other people may have come up with first. As far as I can remember, the theory came up a couple of places over at the New Clues board, however to check dates I can be sure. I know it is possible for several people to come up with the same theory at more or less that same time (see your love potion theory for an example of that), especially if working closely together and seeing the same evidence. If I am completly wrong however, please feel free to correct me as I certainly don't keep track of all that's happening in fandom.

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vanceone
2006-08-15 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the comment! I really don't know about Cassie Claire, but she's listed as being H/Hr at least in part; I also heard she moved to H/D. Like I said, I'm not defending them. But the last few posts a couple of days ago at bad_penny were definately starting to go towards the "H/Hr is the root cause" kind of comments. I'm not sure if the mods want that stopped or not to be honest.

As far as OBHWF on the cornfield, to this day I'm not sure if it's allowed. The stated purpose of that place is to mock H/Hr and Dan/emma people. Whether more than that (i.e. all HP shipwank) is allowed, I'm not sure. I don't think they are sure, either.

The only ones I've ever seen mention possible OBHWF Wank candidates have been H/Hr shippers that I recall, and thus we have to fight off the "grudgewank" implications. There really seems to be no interest in posting other ship wank than H/Hr. That may be since most of the people there ARE OBHWF.

I assume BSR is Major Dallas? In any case, my point wasn't that he had plagarized or not (I suppose he hasn't); but that no one had heard of it, just like anything else OBHWF.

In any case, thanks for the comments!

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[info]flyingphoenix
2006-08-15 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Cassie's DM, DS and DV is actually H/Hr though there is a lot D/Hr and H/D in there as well. People complained she didn't make it H/D in the end thats why I figured its either D/Hr or H/Hr now.

Also Cassie seems to really hate H/G at least that explained why Msscribe made such a huge effort to make GT (a H/G site) out as the evil.

I think a great deal of the controversy has to do with the fact that they were BNFs, and that all three of them have been caught plagiarising

You know...now that you mention that after people complained about Emerson and his behaviour on Lumos many said they only made a fuss because it was him in the first place. Makes me wonder if people made a similar fuss about the plagiarsm thingy if lets say it was my fic instead...did they too skin me alive? Or just shrug their shoulders and say "Well, her fic sucked anyway, so what?".

Maybe if someone has OBHWF wank, they could report it to fandomwank and/or cornfield (probably the cornfield) and we could see what the reactions are.


I made once an entry on HMS STFU about people complaining about GoF Movie which wasn't out yet...mind you they wanked about the same thing rather than to raise an eye about the heavy reaction. Yet I suppose if it had been Harmonians moaning about that movie I bet they had mocked them.


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(Anonymous)
2006-08-15 07:37 pm UTC (link)
Prior to HBP, R/Hr wanks were extensively reported (as noted in CharloteeLennox's BP expose). However, after HBP was released but prior to the creation of BP, the number of H/HR wank reports increased extensively. Because non-HP and HP fans were tired of reading the H/Hr reports on FW, a separate FW community, HP Cornfield, was created to house the H/Hr wank reports. Any other HP fandom-related matter--all other ships (including R/Hr/OBHWF), het v. slash, Ginny characterization, movie hate, etc.--are posted to main FW site.

Several H/Hr shippers objected to creation of the Cornfield because they felt the community unfairly targeted their ship (See FP's post above re: all ships, not just H/Hr, engage in insane behavior). H/Hr shippers believe the wank reports are predominately posted by R/Hr and OBHWF(or those sympathetic to the) shippers who, in turn, have a grudge against their ship. FW members deny any bias and note most HP fans at FW are not R/Hr or H/Hr shippers. In other words, all ships are wanked equally. If you don't read any R/Hr and OBHWF wanks, it's because 1) no one has found any, 2) no one cares to post it, 3) friends generally don't wank friends, or 4) R/Hr wanks remain behind flocked posts/communities.

Which leads to grudgewanks. While H/Hrs feel many R/Hr wanks exist, they are not reported because 1) H/HRs don't frequent R/Hr sites, 2) no one reports them out of bias and/or 3) it would be seen as grudgewank. Thus, they don't post wank reports. FW members see these claims as rhetorical posturing by H/Hr shippers. If they find R/Hr wank, they should report it ((i.e., "put up or shut up"). Additionally, many FW members claim several of the wanks identified by H/Hr shippers are not wanky (and if they were, the writing of the report is so biased and/or colored by shipping, it would be all for naught).

There is also the FW frequent statement/question "If you don't like it, don't read it/why are you coming here?" to which the H/Hr shippers answer that they do so in order to defend their ship and viewpoint.

Which leads us to now--BP's (which is not a FW community but administered by FW members) 2 exposes written by CL and WS. H/Hrs feel these exposes were written with the intention of further targeting their ship as the star players are H/Hr shippers or heavily sympathetic to their viewpoint. Others disagree.


(Personally, I tend to agree with you that the exposes are not about shipping but about BNFs who happened to play/argue on the H/Hr side of the fence. The bitterness and resentment of the past and present go way beyond shipping at this point :( Sorry for the TMI and if you already know what I wrote).

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(no subject) - [info]pots13, 2006-08-15 07:48 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-08-15 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Hi Vance,

My OTP is D/Hr, and two of the three authors "being run out town" wrote that ship in their stories. Draco Dormiens by CC being one; Homages by Heidi being the second. When Ebony was also revealed as a Plagiarist -- who I had not heard of before -- I wondered for a moment if Trouble in Paradise (hope I got the title right) would be a D/Hr fic as well. When I saw that it wasn't, I dropped the ship angle.

But after reading your thoughts on this, it seems to me that everything you've just said about BP also applies to D/Hr -- if you go at this through the lens of a ship-debate.

So I guess what my point is, you say, "I really don't think H/Hr is any wankier than other fangroups--there's nothing special about Harmony that makes it inherently wankier". If we thus toss all previous ship context out the window, since we are equal, as a H/Hr shipper, and not a D/Hr shipper -- do you feel that D/Hr is being smeared with the same brush as the one you refer to above?

In my opinion, if BP is targeting H/Hr, they are targeting D/Hr as well, and yet, we do not have any communities solely devoted to mocking us.

- eucalyptus on lj
(Thanks for the anon posting.)

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vanceone
2006-08-15 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Hi, thanks for posting, Eucalyptus!

It's an interesting question you raise. Do I feel that D/Hr is being smeared? No, I don't. And let me explain my reasoning.

First of all, I wish to reiterate that as of right now I am NOT accusing Bad_penny of deliberately targeting H/Hr shippers; right now the actual reports are ship neutral for the most part.

What prompted this post was a thread on the AngieJ post, where they started asking about other H/Hr shippers they should investigate, and implying that H/Hr was sort of the "root cause", or that shipping H/Hr tended to drive people insane. It was an attempt to head that kind of thinking off (the, "oh, it's yet another example of crazy H/Hrs!") that I wrote this.

I don't know Cassie or Heidi. I knew they were the stereotypical "BNF", but I've not read any of their works. I DID know they were associated with H/Hr at some point. It was their connection to H/Hr that spawned that thread, and as linked a ways up, apparently there was another thread I had not seen that kind of said the same thing--wondering if it was their H/Hr shipping view that got them into trouble.

I don't really think that the mods at B_P are trying to push any sort of shipping agenda. They seem to, insofar as I can judge, be pushing an anti-BNF thing. Don't forget B_P came to prominance by the takedown of Msscribe, who was also allegedly a H/Hr shipper (does anyone really know WHAT she really was? Or trust her words?), so this goes beyond just the plagarism stuff that's currently there.

But the commentators there are, or were, moving in the direction of focusing on shipping. And I will be curious if the NEXT big thing there is also a H/Hr shipper.

I've not seen any anti-D/Hr stuff in the comments there, so I don't think you have to worry. Besides, as far as I know, there is no real ship conflict that D/Hr has with anyone. Contrast with the rather vicious Harmony/OBHWF wars, and that the majority of posters at B_P are OBHWF or sympathetic to that ship, you perhaps can see why I was a bit worried.

In other words, I was trying to stop a trend in the beginning, before it became full fledged. The net doesn't need another site where H/Hr is an automatic clue of insanity.

I hope I answered your question, and thanks for posting!

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[info]angua9
2006-08-16 02:51 am UTC (link)
I just saw this, and I want to clarify that Oulangi and I called the Dayton police with Msscribe's permission. Msscribe provided Ari_o with the name and phone number of the officer who she said had handled her case and told Ari_o that it was okay for someone to call and verify the story. Ari_o did not want (or have time) to do it, and she chose Oulangi and me to do the actual calling and passed the name and phone number on to us.

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(Anonymous)
2006-12-27 10:23 pm UTC (link)
hp_cornfield isn't wank, It's people acting asif they were 12 years old. I don't see the point in them pointing out some of the people that they do expect they want to twist their words around and talking behind backs because they know if they posting anything infront of these people that they have posted behind (expectually ew.net and harmonyforever people) that they would lose the battle for sure. They do this so that they make themselves feel bigger but they can't truely make anyone else feel small because they are doing it behind their backs.

This kind of stuff is so sad really, If they pointed out idiodic posts which they do alittle bit, then I could care less but it's like they are the popular kids in school and the h/hr shippers are the geeks (in intellegence it's the same way to) expect we aren't scared of them, just unaware.

It makes feel like I'm in middle school or high school again. so sad. :(

LJ- bchsbunny2005

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