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[13 Aug 2006|12:51am] |
Some wankers are confused about what Harmonians and Pumpkin pier's are though ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif) estrella explained it perfectly and even easily something I fail to do:
Well, basically PP were H/Hr shippers from Fiction Alley Park and Harmony were H/Hr shippers from CoS forums. The thing is that FA is more fanfic centered than CoS forums, so H/Hr shippers from the former had more fanfiction people among than the latters. Also Harmony is a more recent name than PP. Also later we (the CoS forum group) had differences with Portkey because they censored some essays from one memeber and so we created our own forum
That's the deal but problem Nr. 1 is that I posted on FAP and CoS. Before I learned to know people like Mad Eyed Mike, Perdita, Turambar, Sirius, Hawk, Grace, lleyki, Max and Mars I got into the FAP crew.
I saw once in a while Msscribe on Portkey later on LJ in action then I saw Ryoko Blue enter spectaculary enter the chat room. Ebony argueing on DT with Angua. Then Kia, Athena, RedXIII, Falcon, Sarmi etc.
For short I had already a little idea how serious some people took this fandom. They made it to some kind of fame game. It was very clear to me if you were new and unknown to them it was difficult to get much further. Esp if you prefered to talk about canon and what will be rather than to write fanfics and to become eventually as famous like...Msscribe?
FAP was and still is IMO a very unfriendly place to newbies. Its like someone hits you with an anvil that you are in fact nothing but a lousy bit of newbie.
CoS Forum was there differently and after that I still prefer Harmonians rather than Pumpkin Pie. Because here I posted as newbie who read that H/Hr file and felt I have nothing at all to add. But this guys : Mad Eyed Mike, Perdita, Turambar, Sirius, Hawk, Grace, lleyki, Max and Mars said that they were newbies as well, that their opinion wasn't at all the end of all opinions but they welcomed any new input. Anything what made the discussion more interesting.
That was new for me and in fact I never saw such an attitude by anybody in this fandom again. Esp. not after the ship wars became more heated. It was a kind of everything goes whats possible and I loved that.
For me it always was fun though most of the time a sadistic kind of fun to discuss ships. There was never some kind of business about that even if it became totally crazy and heated it still wasn't a contest who is more known, who is a BNF in this fandom.
That's probably a reason why I cring and want to disagree as much as I can whenever someone claims Harmonians are teh batshit of H/Hr shippers or are so melitant because that's bullshit. Arguing canon or thinking H/Hr is a possibility in canon is to me far less crazy, insane than to be powerhungry in an online fandom, to be a BNF or a bestfriend of a BNF and throw everything overboard for that goal.
What Harmonians did or what was done in the name of HMS Harmony isn't at all that unusual for fans.
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[13 Aug 2006|09:13am] |
I see that Bad_penny appears to be in the process of successfully getting a couple of people pretty much run out of town tarred and feathered.
I'd feel a heck of a lot better about it all, if it weren't for the fact that 1) it seems really, really vindictive over there (I mean, why? Almost all of the commentators have not suffered anything personal from this) 2)it is really frightening the lengths people are going (trying to take it beyond fandom and into real life--calling the cops, emailing publishers, and now causing havoc at a convention). 3) if it wasn't a whole bunch of OBHWF shippers attacking H/Hr shippers. 4) Seeing as I myself have been attacked by a few of these people and I KNOW how they have distorted things about me, I can't help but be suspicious of how much they may be distorting this.
None of this is to say that I'm defending Cassie, or AngieJ or msscribe; I'm not. If they plagarized, and were sockpuppets, well, too bad for them. But witch hunts are not pretty, and I'm honestly wondering what, exactly, they could say if they were innocent? Is accusation proof over there?
Second, this has a huge stench of underlying grudge shipwank. Why have all these OBHWF people searched so deeply in H/Hr circles and fanfics to find all this stuff? The impression bad_penny is leaving is that only H/Hr shippers are the bad apples in fandom, and that is completely not the case. I would not be nearly as suspicious if they actually focused on someone other than H/Hr people. It's rather frightening how much time these OBHWF people have put in looking for faults in H/Hr types. I mean, say some well known R/Hr fanfic had plagarism in it--who would know? Would Bad_penny report it? And is anyone looking? They seem intimately familiar with H/Hr types, but are they inspecting their own?
This ultimately goes back to the whole question of why is it always the H/Hr people on F_W or other wank sites? I really don't think H/Hr is any wankier than other fangroups--there's nothing special about Harmony that makes it inherently wankier. So why are there numerous people who focus only on finding H/Hr stuff? Realistically, there are what, 10 regular H/hr shippers who post on JournalFen with any sense of regularity. Why is there so many more OBHWF people here, and why do they all focus on H/Hr? This isn't an attempt to complain, but I'm just asking. Probability says that in a much larger group of people, there would be more wank. Why isn't it reported? What is the obsession with bringing down H/Hr people? Calling police agencies, scouring H/Hr fansites for wanky things, writing hundred page novels just to expose people--and all of it targeted at one fangroup?
And if it isn't targeted at H/Hr shippers, then when will we see something mocked that isn't aimed at one?
I'm just wondering, that's all. I really am not defending any of the people featured on Bad_penny; I'm just noticing yet another trend of "it's all those insane H/Hr people" and I just don't think that only H/Hr shippers are the insane ones. With each new Bad_penny report, I question more and more whether that comm's purpose is dedicated to focusing only on H/Hr people, that's all. For instance, Major_Dallas at one point was accused of plagarizing an essay; I have no idea whether he did or not, but I saw the accusation. It never made it on F_W; it was quickly hushed up, and I don't know how it was resolved. It's very well possible he didn't and that was all solved satisfactorily, and he never plagarized at all. I did see the accusation, however. I have to believe there are other episodes like that scattered throughout fandom, not just H/Hr types. Will any of them be featured there? Or will it only be there if H/Hr people bring it--because OBHWF'ers won't?
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