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I wish I was boning vampires. ([info]tehrin) wrote in [info]hp_cornfield,
@ 2006-05-11 12:35:00


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Harmonian Wank Sporks Itself
Well, vanceone is back. Not only is he back, but he’s back in force here on jf. Over at the community [info]harmonywank he posts regarding the future web reactions to the release of Book 7.

Now, this is my first wank report so if there is some policy against posting regarding wank in other jf communities, I will delete the entry.

c&ped just in case of friends-lock or deletion.



I found this on Googles new beta software "futureweb". I hope people enjoy it.


Date: July 8th, 2007.
Byline: HPANA news special reporter, Weh R.E. Sum.
HPANA Potter News wire reports



Headline:

The End Of All Things (Spoilers for Book 7)


Story:

Yesterdays release of Harry Potter and the Golden Snitch has prompted an enourmous fan reaction, including a riot and JKR quadrupling her security. As was expected, many fans loved the book, while others were upset to see their theories get dashed. In the latter category, of course, there is no more prominent group than that group of fans known as "OBHWF shippers." This group of people were those who thought that Harry would marry Ginny and Hermione would end up with Ron.

Ms. Rowlings surprise ending where Harry Potter and Hermione Granger actually got married to each other in the epilogue to book 7 has shaken fandom to the core. While, of course, rumors had swirled around the contents of book 7 for several weeks prior to its release on July 7th, most OBHWF shippers brushed off those rumors and expressed supreme confidence that, while Ms. Rowling is known for her surprise twists and turns, and has legendarily admitted trying to trick her fandom, they knew that JKR had settled the "shipping question" once and for all. Indeed, several of them proudly admitted the only thing "they knew for certain" was the answer to the shipping question. There are unconfirmed reports that several OBHWF shippers maintained Voldemort was more likely to be Harry's real father than Harry and Hermione getting together. In particular, many of those shippers who congregate at various live journal sites and communities, especially on the service known as "JournalFen" were especially dismayed. Several of them appear to be suffering severe mental issues right now.

The reasons for this are somewhat obscure, but can be directly traced to the unremitting, 2 year long campaign waged by many people against a group of fans nicknamed "Harmonians." Apparently, Harmonians promoted the idea that Harry would end up with Hermione, and that there was canonical evidence for that pairing to happen. The fact that many Harmonians argued perhaps JKR still had a few tricks up her sleeve when it came to romance after book 6 made them, in many if not most OBWHF shippers view, so-called "delusional."

The alleged fact of Harmonian mental derangement appears to be the single most cherished value for many of the OBHWF shippers, especially those on Journalfen. They spent much, if not most of their time in the HP fandom mocking everything they could about Harmonians. In particular, they proclaimed that they had an uncanny knowledge of exactly what JKR was thinking about romance, and most of them would incessantly proclaim how they had known from the beginning of Harry Potter and the Sorcerors/Philosophers Stone that OBHWF was the way JKR was going.

Many others, while not necessarily fond of the idea of OBHWF, also gleefully joined in the mockery of Harmonians. The one thing that brought them all together was the so-called article of faith that Harry and Hermione would not get together, and they also gleefully said there was no chance in Hades it would ever happen.

Needless to say, Book 7 has severely disappointed them, and some have turned violent. Police had to successfully quell a riot at Mugglenet's book 7 launch party, and are currently asking people to keep an eye out for Mugglenet's webmaster, Emerson Spartz, who is feared to be suicidal at this point. Many of the Journalfen Harmonian mockers are now suffering what appears to be seizures, since they elevated JKR to practical "goddess" mode. In their view, expressed repeatedly on such sites as the "Cornfield" and the "HMS STFU," JKR was a legendary writer who could not be criticized, since there was no valid criticism of her. Anyone who did question the OBHWF interpretation, or said it was not necessarily certain, was accused of being a "Harmonian," and thus considered mentally unstable, and not worth replying to. Now that JKR actually DID go the Harry and Hermione route, their two core concepts (JKR can do no wrong and Harry and Hermione cannot get together) are clashing head on, with tragic results.

Journalfen itself, along with Livejournal, are currently only up sporadically, due to all the heavy traffic. The popular community "Fandom_wank" actually was shut down, simply because of all the traffic and vast numbers of people fighting there. This was relatively unique in Fandom_Wank's history, since practically all of the Harry Potter fans at that community were OBHWF shippers or sympathizers, while the rest were just as excited to laugh at them.

Police have advised several well known Harry Hermione shippers to take a vacation or otherwise not be around, especially due to the malicious, anonymous release earlier this year of several Harmonian home telephone numbers and addresses. Several Harmonians contacted by HPANA have reported anonymous threats left on their voicemail since yesterday. Prominent Harry/Hermione sites have also suffered hacking attempts and indeed, Portkey itself was partially hacked for about 3 hours last night. Both Portkey and HMS Harmony communities state that they have had to disable registration due to the influx of what they term "trolls."

JKR has beefed up security, and police in Glasgow, Scotland have increased their patrols around her residence considerably. Prominent OBHWF shipping sites like Mugglenet, the Leaky Cauldron, and Sugarquill have either shut down or are crashing due to the load of traffic directed to them at this moment.

Many bookstores are reporting that what appears to be disappointed OBHWF shippers are returning their books. Unfortunately, some are returning them through the windows. Several Barnes and Noble stores report that every single one of their windows was broken by Harry Potter books being thrown through them. Others are reporting on the apparently crazed OBHWF fans. Jenny B. Bad, a clerk at the bookstore "Borders" in Kalamazoo, Michigan, told HPANA over the phone that it was like a scene from the hit movie Shaun of the Dead.

Scholastic and other publishers have issued press releases appealing for calm, and also pointing out that Ms. Rowling has been known to trick people before, so that there should have been no real surprise. One anonymous source close to the publisher stated that perhaps if some fans had not decided their only goal in fandom was to mock another group of fans who turned out to be right, they might not be so disappointed now.

Meanwhile, the rest of fandom wonders and argues over why Severus Snape was last seen riding off on Sirius Black's motorcycle.




I should probably turn off my e-mail commenting option just in case.

ETA: As many of you have noticed, vanceone has shown up in the comments. Here he is with a particularly interesting bit about alchemy.


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vanceone
2006-05-11 10:36 pm UTC (link)
*shrugs* Hey, what the hey--I'm attacked anyway. In very brief terms (and leaving out alot), the theory goes like this. It's fairly plain that HP is an alchemical allegory. JKR herself mentioned some of the alchemical symbolism the books are based on. The entire point of alchemy, as I understand it, was to become whole, and achieve harmony, becoming a greater person than you could possibly be. The thing is, you cannot achieve this without a partner--you had to achieve this through union of soul, etc of your spouse. Indeed, Nicolas Flamel, the legendary alchemist, could not have done it without his wife. The Golden snitch represents this ultimate goal. Thus, in a real sense, the HP series can be likened to a game of Quidditch, where Harry(everyman) is the Seeker (he seeks after enlightenment)--it is his job to catch the golden snitch, and obtain the reward (enlightenment and spiritual oneness). This reward, btw, is not just "having sex."

Now, if you cannot catch the snitch (acheive the highest level of alchemy) without your partner, who must be your true partner, then shipping does become part of the series plot. Thus, Harry's mystical union with his partner will enable him to achieve the highest plane of existance. Alchemy was concerned with spiritual matters, and so too, I think, is Harry Potter. Voldemort is Harry's shadow, which he has to overcome to reach enlightenment.

Now, this no doubt sounds like "WTF." However, it's fairly clear that Rowling is doing an achemical tale. From Nicholas Flamel, to incredibly vast reams of symbolism, this is abundantly clear. I can't think of many people who seriously dispute the alchemical basis. In many ways, the alchemical story is the foundational basis for what the message of HP is. It does have a moral message, if you will, focused around the meaning of love, and overcoming your destructive impulses to achieve your highest potential. With this knowledge in hand, it becomes a bit easier to see why many Harmonians don't just give up the idea of Harry and Hermione--because then we pretty much toss the alchemical structure of the books, the idea of it having any meaning, etc. Under this view, shipping does become integrated into the plot.

It's interesting to note that John Granger, the guy who has written the most on alchemy and HP, also after HBP came out as a H/Hr shipper, until he got crucified by the OBHWF crowd and hastily retreated. I hope this helps give you a brief overview.

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(Anonymous)
2006-05-11 10:40 pm UTC (link)
But God fucking forbid Harry's partner be anyone but Hermione, right? God forbid she be just his friend...

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[info]peachespig
2006-05-11 10:48 pm UTC (link)
The entire point of alchemy, as I understand it, was to become whole, and achieve harmony, becoming a greater person than you could possibly be. The thing is, you cannot achieve this without a partner--you had to achieve this through union of soul, etc of your spouse. Indeed, Nicolas Flamel, the legendary alchemist, could not have done it without his wife.

From Dumbledore's chocolate frog card: "Dumbledore is particularly famous for his defeat of the dark wizard Grindelwald in 1945, for the discovery of the twelve uses of dragon's blood, and his work on alchemy with his partner, Nicolas Flamel."

Sounds like Flamel's alchemical partner was Dumbledore. Are you saying there's something about the two of them we didn't know? ;)

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[info]zyna_kat
2006-05-11 11:18 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like Flamel's alchemical partner was Dumbledore. Are you saying there's something about the two of them we didn't know? ;)

Awesome!

*runs off to write some Dumbledore/Flamel slash.*

*Reconsiders, and instead runs off to write Dumbledore/Flamel/Mrs.Flamel threesome porn.*

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[info]puipui
2006-05-12 04:27 am UTC (link)
Sounds like Flamel's alchemical partner was Dumbledore. Are you saying there's something about the two of them we didn't know? ;)

Well, to be fair, Nicolas Flamel was an actual historical figure, and from what I understand his wife Pernelle was, in fact, his business partner and alchemical assistant in real life.

Therefore, clearly, JKR was going for the threesome for the win. The fact that it's an RPF threesome featuring a somewhat Mary-Sueish OC is just the icing on the cake, there.

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[info]maegwin_of_hern
2006-05-12 05:56 am UTC (link)
That's what I was about to point out, thank you :)

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[info]kalicephirot
2006-05-12 10:10 am UTC (link)
I hate you. Now I'm going to have to write that. H8 U11!!!! LYKE, HOU HERMIONE RLY H8S RON AND HARRY H8S GINNY!!11111!!!1!!!1

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[info]tehrin
2006-05-11 10:52 pm UTC (link)
The whistle is blown.
The grass is mown.
The quaffle is thrown.
But the snitch just isn't flying.

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vanceone
2006-05-11 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Um, seriously, I know I'll be mocked for it, but I don't exactly know why. If Lewis can get away with Narnia and Christian allegories, I can't see why Rowling can't be doing alchemy. If you are just mocking (in your eta in the header) the idea that there might be something deeper, well, then say so.

*smacks head* Of course! Alchemy's not an anvil! It CAN'T be there, cause we all know Rowling never writes anything between the lines, right? Why, you'd actually have to *gasp* have some knowledge!

More seriously, if you are going to mock me just because I have an alchemical theory for the HP series, I hope you spend just as much time mocking all the others who have ever discussed the subject as well, inluding lots of OBHWF shippers.

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(no subject) - [info]jim_smith, 2006-05-12 12:02 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2006-05-11 11:02 pm UTC (link)
You mean Ginny, right?

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[info]narcissam
2006-05-11 11:05 pm UTC (link)
But what are your thoughts on yaoi?

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vanceone
2006-05-11 11:13 pm UTC (link)
It's stupid. And dumb. And a waste of space. There, you happy?

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fucking-a, that's ridiculous - [info]ella_w, 2006-05-12 03:24 pm UTC
Re: fucking-a, that's ridiculous - [info]figgy, 2006-05-12 11:13 pm UTC
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[info]sheep
2006-05-11 11:32 pm UTC (link)
From the reply you got, I would have sworn you asked him about his thoughts on OBHWF.

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[info]pantyless_angel
2006-05-11 11:41 pm UTC (link)
... I always thought the whole point of alchemy was greed and fear of death, But thats just me.

Also, I don't know if anyone else will agree with me on this but for suggesting that R/Hr shippers will become violent,and commit vandalism over a fictional paring in a book. You loose.

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[info]squeakytoy
2006-05-12 01:09 am UTC (link)
Ah, but those R/Hr shippers are crude beings, unable to appreciate the transcendence of true love. Of course they'd turn to vandalism and violence. After all, they support Ron/Hermione, which is obviously destined to turn into an abusive relationship.

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[info]khym_chanur
2006-05-11 11:58 pm UTC (link)
It's fairly plain that HP is an alchemical allegory.

It's not very plain to me (I'm currently reading The Alchemist's Tale by John Granger and am not finding it very convincing). I don't think that there's many people out there who know enough about the history of alchemy, its symbolism and its use in literature to be able to see a story built up around alchemy to see it for what it is, so it would be a bit strange for JKR to write HP as an alchemical allegory (as opposed to throwing in a little alchemical symbolism here and there) unless her target audience was literary English major types.

Voldemort is Harry's shadow, which he has to overcome to reach enlightenment.

I'm really not seing Voldemort as some reflection of Harry's baser feelings and instincts that Harry has to overcome. While there are parallels between Harry and Tom Riddle, Harry doesn't have an "inner Tom" that he struggles against, nor does he morally start out like Tom and then progress towards being a better person, so "overcoming Voldemort" = "Enlightenment" just isn't working for me. If "overcoming Voldemort" = "Enlightenment" is indeed what JKR is trying to convey, and you need to know alchemical symbolism to understand it, I don't think that she's doing a very good job of it, since the reader shouldn't be required to know anything about alchemy to understand the point of the book.

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[info]jim_smith
2006-05-12 12:05 am UTC (link)
don't think that there's many people out there who know enough about the history of alchemy, its symbolism and its use in literature to be able to see a story built up around alchemy to see it for what it is, so it would be a bit strange for JKR to write HP as an alchemical allegory

She could do it, but it'd be weird of her to just expect the general public to figure out the allegory on their own, and never explicitly acknowledge it in interviews and such for six out of the seven installments.

Then again, this gives me hope that in the promotion for Book 7, she'll suddenly reveal the whole saga was about robot dinosaurs.

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vanceone
2006-05-12 12:21 am UTC (link)
Well, you don't have to know anything about alchemy to enjoy the book. It's certainly not a requirement, just like a knowledge of Campbells' "The Hero's Journey" is a requirement either. Yet, both are good tools. Look at the book Rowling says is the most important influence on HP: "A little White Horse." It's a kids book. You don't have to know alchemy to love it. It's steeped in the stuff. Knowing and understanding the alchemical background makes for a deeper, richer story; not that you have to know it to understand the book.

Frankly, alchemy is just another structure to build on for the journey. You don't have to know literary tradition and history to enjoy the series, but as David Eddings once said about his series, having such a background makes it easy to know where all the jokes are.

I kind of think of it as reading a parable... the more you know, the more you can appreciate the point and story. But, it's not required by any means.

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[info]smo
2006-05-12 02:05 am UTC (link)
tl;dr

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-05-12 04:03 am UTC (link)
It's fairly plain that HP is an alchemical allegory.

No, it's really not.

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[info]figgy
2006-05-12 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Wufei judges his stupid attemps at allegory. Considering alchemy =/= religon.

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(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2006-05-12 06:57 pm UTC
GIP.
[info]kalicephirot
2006-05-12 10:08 am UTC (link)
On the other hand: Dude, could you share what you've been smoking? My fiction lately has been missing batshitery and delussion, it could use some.

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(Anonymous)
2006-05-12 10:22 am UTC (link)
That was a bit tl;dr, so I only skimmed, really.

I just have one question for you: Why is it so important to you that Harry ends up with Hermione?

Seriously. Why are you so invested in THEIR lovelives? They're just fictional characters. I mean, yes, I can see being attached to a character, but to a pairing? If you want an inspirational couple, look around you and find a real one, because you can learn a lot more from real people than fictional ones.

I just, I don't get it. Can't Harry be happy all on his little lonesome? Can't Hermione be happy with Ron? Why do they HAVE to be "perfect for each other"? Realistically, it just. GAH.

This is why I don't ship. Except my own characters.

Mouse N

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(Anonymous)
2006-05-12 02:43 pm UTC (link)
It's not that it's impossible that JKR is using SOME alchemical symbolism in the books--the problem is the conclusions that Granger draws from what's in front of him. She uses symbolism from a lot of sources and alchemy certainly seems to be ONE of them. But anyone who gets H/Hr from this has made a seriously wrong turn somewhere, just like the folks who thought Ron was Dumbledore. They had some great ideas about the significance of the chess game in the first book for teh overall structure of the series, but then they drew the conclusion that Ron was Dumbledore. Anyone can have some good, insightful ideas on the books and be spot on in general with observations, but they can also draw the wrong conclusions from their observations, which seems to be what you and Granger have done with the alchemy thing.

Close, but no cigar.

~Turk-with-no-JF-account

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[info]chez_moi
2006-05-13 10:11 am UTC (link)
Can't forget that Ginny snatched the Snitch from under Cho's nose in OotP. Snitch = Harry. And Ginny got him.

And you said there was no foreshadowing for H/G... tut tut. With all your fervent analysing skills, I'm shocked you missed that. I suppose squinting at the nonexistent details makes you blind to what's actually standing in front of your face yelling "HELLO! HERE I AM!"

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