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Civil War Redux, except the Harmonians are the Confederacy this time
This stuff is just funny, as opposed to yesterday's icckyness. A while agoikuko posted abnout a thread on Portkey entitled, H/Hr: The Most Hated, My view on why we are the most hated ship... possibly ever. It's continued since then in fine style.
hello1989 writes a whole story about a hypothetical H/G shipper.
Imagine you ship, say choco. :shudders: Now your reading the books, looking for any sign of your ship (or even Ginny for that matter) and all of a sudden you get a H/hr moment. "Ok, I guess that could possibly be construed as platonic." Then BAM! another... "they're just friends, nothing to worry about..." and so on throughout the whole book. Pages and pages of h/hr interaction while Ginny turns up for say half a page where Harry says two words to her then turns back to Hermione.
I know I would be annoyed. I'm trying to enjoy the plot, the gang are in the DoM running from Death Eaters say, then out of nowhere Harry goes crazy over Hermione getting hit. Umm...hello? Ginny has a broken ankle! SHE is the damsel in distress here! SHE is you supreme loved one who you are meant to be worrying over right now! I mean, d*mn it you haven't said three words to her the entire book and now you don't even care when she's injured?
So the choco chipper gets annoyed, chucks her book out the window, and goes online to rant about it. When she comes across a H/HR shipper whos squeeing over the exact same moment, whats going to happen? They're already p***ed, so they vent on you, you get defensive, quote all the moments to them, which gets them even angrier. So the arguement continues till it degenerates to simple name calling and bashing of characters ala "Well your just stupid then for even seeing H/HR in canon when it sooo isn't there" and "your ship sucks, Hermione sucks, Ginny RULES!!!"
I say, since we are on the other (imho better) side, it is our duty to patiently weather the storm, as the heron/chocos now FINALLY have some canon moments to share with us (ala HBP) and proceed to rub it in our faces.
(I just hope their not setting themselves up for an even bigger embarrassment come book 7 )
NOTE: The example given is not meant to insult any Heron/Choco shippers, or imply that they come across or interpret the books in this way. For all I know you probably have your own canon quotes, since many events can be interpreted in several ways. My example is based on my own experiences reading fanfiction where I start what I believe to be a gen fic, and suddenly H/G pops up. I try to ignore/skim over those moments but they do annoy me and hamper my enjoyment of the overall story.
Again, I meant no offence! We're all HP fans here!
The End.
That was very touching.
Finn: I actually came here for some of the great Lily/James fics (which is the equivalent to a gen-shipper, apparently) so I feel I'm fairly unbiased when I say the reason that H/Hr often gets a bad rap is because some people say stupid things and those stupid things get bandied about like everyone said them and everyone believes them.
They aren't threatened or jealous...or not in anyway that's seriously affecting their arguments, they just believe they're right just as you do.
Hermione's hero: If you think we get a bad reputation because of some bad apples, you're wrong. We're so hated, we can't afford to have bad apples. The truth is Harmonians who aren't even in the shipping wars get frequently wanked.
Have you ever seen the way they debate? They fall all over themselves just to come up with an argument while ignoring H/Hr ones. They keep doing this until they drive off all the Harmonians and they congratulate each each other on a job well done.
xXsugar_quillXx: For one thing, it could be threads like this where we bash them calling them jealous and implying that they are stupid. I feel everyship has the people who hate that ship and every ship has those people in it who hate every other ship. We are high on the list because we are right up there with Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny, yes we do have plausable explanations and yes we have our moments. They do too. We shoud ignore any and all flames because if any ship has to derogate another to prove they're right than perhaps they should take another look at the ship they support.
Salamon2: Well, not to bash any R/Hr (since I was one before HBP), I know how they thought prior to HBP, and I have to say, the main reason for a lot of the arguing was the fact that someone would come on, and post a WOS worthy comment against someone/character/etc. Then the person attacked would be in a bad mood then rant everywhere he or she went, looking for support, and then pretty soon you know it's the American Civil War all over again. So it all goes back to who fired on Fort Sumnter.
So what are we? Union or Confederate?
Probably Confederate, because we would like our shipping rights to ship what we please without someone telling us we have to ship something.
So... anyone know any good Dixie tunes?
Oh and those of you who point to the fact the Union won the war, think about this: You can't elect a president nowadays without getting at least 1 of the Dixie states, and they usually all vote the same way, most of the time. Then you have all of the romanticized pro-Dixie movies and stories these days... let's see, we've got: Gone with the Wind... North and South... Gettysburg... Gods and Generals
Of course, most romanticize both sides.
Union won the war, Dixie won the aftermath.
(If you can't tell I'm a little sarcastic at the moment, then you might need to do a reread)
But what are you sarcastic about?
Citizen V: As originator of the thread I feel I should emphasize some things:
1. I do not attack without reason. If you have been and innocently post your ideas then you get blind sided by about 8 people you get a little peeved. And boy, I'm not saying that all Heroine addicts (my term for zealot Herons they called use delusional I responded I know it seems petty but derrogatory but fight fire with fire.) are dumb but these guys or girls couldn't string together a coherent thought. It was funny, sad, and anger inducing all at once.
2. I do not hope this becomes a flame inducer. I merely wanted to know the reason why everyone seems to dislike us.
3. I do not hate Heroine addicts. A couple of my best friends are Heroine addicts but they at least listen or call me dumb.
Thanks for all the view and replies guys. I was just curious.
Keep them coming though I like people's opinions (well except the... well you know.)
'Hdawne: Well, all I can say is when HP7 comes about and H/Hr become canon.... I'm just going to smile while all the Herons/Chocos piss and moan. I won't even pull a "I told you so" ....I just don't care and won't stoop to the level of juvenile behavior that's run rampant in the fandom since HPB/IOS.
The Harmony Ape can just throw poopp at them while eating Pumpkin Pie with LOTS of whipped cream.
Hermione's hero: I didn't imply that they were jealous and stupid. Go look at the debate threads here if you want to see for yourself.
AdamantEve: Like, come on... listen to yourselves... we're "better than them"? They're "all third graders"? That just sounds so awful. Right now, I don't know a single Heron that's in grade school. Everyone I know in real life that's involved in the shipping debates are all college graduates. Among my group of ten best friends, only one of my best friends is a Harmonian. The rest of them are Heron. My Harmonian best friend is a doctor. I work in a publishing company as an editor. Out of eight Herons, 3 are doctors, 1 is an Engineer, 2 are well-placed financial analysts, 1 is a lawyer and the last one is a Home Maker with three children.
I don't want Herons being in this forum, but do we really want to come off as elitist snobs? Worse, elitist snobs deluded into thinking that we're smarter because our ship is "better than theirs?" Why don't we Harmonians just eat olives from the balconies and throw the pits at the intellectual plebes we call "Herons" down at the rafters, just like the Romans (or was it the Greeks? I forget...) used to do?
Salamon2: Why thank you. And the next time all of the Harmonians meet up with the Herons, we can all wear shirts that have the stars and bars on it and have a H/Hr moment in a circle in the center. That would be enough to keep the Herons' quiet... well for maybe a minute.
(satire yet again)
Citizen VI: I mean no offense to anyone by posting this but since we're now the Confederacy of all ships here was the national anthem of the Confederacy
Dixie
Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten,
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land, where I was born in,
early on one frosty mornin',
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.
I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
to live and die in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie
It kind of symbolizes the way we are cornered but still take a stand. Sorry I'm about a day late and a dollar short.
Salamon2: Yes, I can just see the promos:
For every Confederacy, there needs to be Harmony to support it.
or
Harmony is needed to bind the Confederacy together!
(I'm quite enjoying our satire/analogy)
lenocz complains that Herons are the natural allies of slashers: So they insult HHr shippers only when they are so generously accepting those slashy fics (I felt sad for Harry when he had to pair up with Snape, Draco or Voldemort or OMC while Ron gotto pair up with Hermione). So they were over-joyed when they knew that the author appeared to take their side.
Pygmie73: A thought I had on this question was that they don't understand why we stick with our ship even though we are supposedly "sunk" because of HBP and the IoD. We will defend our ship to the end since it's an ideal we believe in regardless of what JKR writes. And largely, I believe they may hate us because not only do we stick to those ideals, we also have sound, rational arguments to debate with and a good foundation to stand on which I think scares them. And sometimes, folks hide their fear through anger and acting out....hence the rude behavior and wanking.....
ladylaughalot: Thats a good point. Maybe they hate us cause they think we should've admitted defeat by now. The thing they don't understand is that we really can't.
Speaking only for myself here. I can't give up on Harmony cause it means giving up on Harry Potter as a series I admire. It means giving up on JK Rowling who has been my role model ever since I first read the series and found out what her life was like while writing it. It also means giving up on the idea that someone has been writing an amazing love story for all the world to enjoy and learn from. For me that's a lot to give up on.
Honestly I think that if bk7 proves us wrong I will still visit Portkey. Cause even though JKR might not see it Portkey has shown me that I'm not alone in my appreciation for what true love can be and even though it was unintentional JKR still wrote the foundation for an amazing love. We'll just have to ignore books 6 & 7 if that's the case and it'll probably make all the other HP shippers hate people like me even more.
Lillian Potter argues... well, I'm including this post for its marvelous incoherency: Ginny is very bitchy in the 6 book but I think it caues JK whats Ginny to be like Hermione or Ginny is mad at Hermione caues EVER with H/G togth THERE sill WAS H/HR in the book like when Harry dump Ginny He LOOKED at HERMIONE (pg US " It's been like ... like something out of someone eles's life. these last few weeks with you said harry "but I can't ... we can't .. I've got things to do alone now. " " but you have been busy saving the wizarding world ' said ginny" " Ron was now holding Hermione stroking her hair and her crying on his shoulder ..."
and on pg 592 Hermione waits TILL Ginny laves and says "Harry I found something out this morning in the librany..." but she did not say Ron and Harry or Harry and Ron just Harry"
Hermione's hero: I have also noticed that a lot of R/Hr shippers seem to hate H/G. There seems to some intelligence in the Heron camp, but not enough intelligence to realize their own ship sucks just as much.
to Adamant_Eve
I don't like them here either, but I don't see why we can't think of them as immature simpletons when that's exactly how they act when they come to this forum. They should remember that they have to remain silent and anything say or do will be used against them.
A good brain is useless unless you're willing to use it. They are someHarmonians that are still in grade school and they do better arguments than Herons twice their age. Do any of those Herons you speak of have a good reason as to why they ship Heron?
Also, Hermione Hero's sig pic? IRONY!
This stuff is just funny, as opposed to yesterday's icckyness. A while ago
ikuko posted abnout a thread on Portkey entitled, H/Hr: The Most Hated, My view on why we are the most hated ship... possibly ever. It's continued since then in fine style. hello1989 writes a whole story about a hypothetical H/G shipper.
Imagine you ship, say choco. :shudders: Now your reading the books, looking for any sign of your ship (or even Ginny for that matter) and all of a sudden you get a H/hr moment. "Ok, I guess that could possibly be construed as platonic." Then BAM! another... "they're just friends, nothing to worry about..." and so on throughout the whole book. Pages and pages of h/hr interaction while Ginny turns up for say half a page where Harry says two words to her then turns back to Hermione.
I know I would be annoyed. I'm trying to enjoy the plot, the gang are in the DoM running from Death Eaters say, then out of nowhere Harry goes crazy over Hermione getting hit. Umm...hello? Ginny has a broken ankle! SHE is the damsel in distress here! SHE is you supreme loved one who you are meant to be worrying over right now! I mean, d*mn it you haven't said three words to her the entire book and now you don't even care when she's injured?
So the choco chipper gets annoyed, chucks her book out the window, and goes online to rant about it. When she comes across a H/HR shipper whos squeeing over the exact same moment, whats going to happen? They're already p***ed, so they vent on you, you get defensive, quote all the moments to them, which gets them even angrier. So the arguement continues till it degenerates to simple name calling and bashing of characters ala "Well your just stupid then for even seeing H/HR in canon when it sooo isn't there" and "your ship sucks, Hermione sucks, Ginny RULES!!!"
I say, since we are on the other (imho better) side, it is our duty to patiently weather the storm, as the heron/chocos now FINALLY have some canon moments to share with us (ala HBP) and proceed to rub it in our faces.
(I just hope their not setting themselves up for an even bigger embarrassment come book 7 )
NOTE: The example given is not meant to insult any Heron/Choco shippers, or imply that they come across or interpret the books in this way. For all I know you probably have your own canon quotes, since many events can be interpreted in several ways. My example is based on my own experiences reading fanfiction where I start what I believe to be a gen fic, and suddenly H/G pops up. I try to ignore/skim over those moments but they do annoy me and hamper my enjoyment of the overall story.
Again, I meant no offence! We're all HP fans here!
The End.
That was very touching.
Finn: I actually came here for some of the great Lily/James fics (which is the equivalent to a gen-shipper, apparently) so I feel I'm fairly unbiased when I say the reason that H/Hr often gets a bad rap is because some people say stupid things and those stupid things get bandied about like everyone said them and everyone believes them.
They aren't threatened or jealous...or not in anyway that's seriously affecting their arguments, they just believe they're right just as you do.
Hermione's hero: If you think we get a bad reputation because of some bad apples, you're wrong. We're so hated, we can't afford to have bad apples. The truth is Harmonians who aren't even in the shipping wars get frequently wanked.
Have you ever seen the way they debate? They fall all over themselves just to come up with an argument while ignoring H/Hr ones. They keep doing this until they drive off all the Harmonians and they congratulate each each other on a job well done.
xXsugar_quillXx: For one thing, it could be threads like this where we bash them calling them jealous and implying that they are stupid. I feel everyship has the people who hate that ship and every ship has those people in it who hate every other ship. We are high on the list because we are right up there with Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny, yes we do have plausable explanations and yes we have our moments. They do too. We shoud ignore any and all flames because if any ship has to derogate another to prove they're right than perhaps they should take another look at the ship they support.
Salamon2: Well, not to bash any R/Hr (since I was one before HBP), I know how they thought prior to HBP, and I have to say, the main reason for a lot of the arguing was the fact that someone would come on, and post a WOS worthy comment against someone/character/etc. Then the person attacked would be in a bad mood then rant everywhere he or she went, looking for support, and then pretty soon you know it's the American Civil War all over again. So it all goes back to who fired on Fort Sumnter.
So what are we? Union or Confederate?
Probably Confederate, because we would like our shipping rights to ship what we please without someone telling us we have to ship something.
So... anyone know any good Dixie tunes?
Oh and those of you who point to the fact the Union won the war, think about this: You can't elect a president nowadays without getting at least 1 of the Dixie states, and they usually all vote the same way, most of the time. Then you have all of the romanticized pro-Dixie movies and stories these days... let's see, we've got: Gone with the Wind... North and South... Gettysburg... Gods and Generals
Of course, most romanticize both sides.
Union won the war, Dixie won the aftermath.
(If you can't tell I'm a little sarcastic at the moment, then you might need to do a reread)
But what are you sarcastic about?
Citizen V: As originator of the thread I feel I should emphasize some things:
1. I do not attack without reason. If you have been and innocently post your ideas then you get blind sided by about 8 people you get a little peeved. And boy, I'm not saying that all Heroine addicts (my term for zealot Herons they called use delusional I responded I know it seems petty but derrogatory but fight fire with fire.) are dumb but these guys or girls couldn't string together a coherent thought. It was funny, sad, and anger inducing all at once.
2. I do not hope this becomes a flame inducer. I merely wanted to know the reason why everyone seems to dislike us.
3. I do not hate Heroine addicts. A couple of my best friends are Heroine addicts but they at least listen or call me dumb.
Thanks for all the view and replies guys. I was just curious.
Keep them coming though I like people's opinions (well except the... well you know.)
'Hdawne: Well, all I can say is when HP7 comes about and H/Hr become canon.... I'm just going to smile while all the Herons/Chocos piss and moan. I won't even pull a "I told you so" ....I just don't care and won't stoop to the level of juvenile behavior that's run rampant in the fandom since HPB/IOS.
The Harmony Ape can just throw poopp at them while eating Pumpkin Pie with LOTS of whipped cream.
Hermione's hero: I didn't imply that they were jealous and stupid. Go look at the debate threads here if you want to see for yourself.
AdamantEve: Like, come on... listen to yourselves... we're "better than them"? They're "all third graders"? That just sounds so awful. Right now, I don't know a single Heron that's in grade school. Everyone I know in real life that's involved in the shipping debates are all college graduates. Among my group of ten best friends, only one of my best friends is a Harmonian. The rest of them are Heron. My Harmonian best friend is a doctor. I work in a publishing company as an editor. Out of eight Herons, 3 are doctors, 1 is an Engineer, 2 are well-placed financial analysts, 1 is a lawyer and the last one is a Home Maker with three children.
I don't want Herons being in this forum, but do we really want to come off as elitist snobs? Worse, elitist snobs deluded into thinking that we're smarter because our ship is "better than theirs?" Why don't we Harmonians just eat olives from the balconies and throw the pits at the intellectual plebes we call "Herons" down at the rafters, just like the Romans (or was it the Greeks? I forget...) used to do?
Salamon2: Why thank you. And the next time all of the Harmonians meet up with the Herons, we can all wear shirts that have the stars and bars on it and have a H/Hr moment in a circle in the center. That would be enough to keep the Herons' quiet... well for maybe a minute.
(satire yet again)
Citizen VI: I mean no offense to anyone by posting this but since we're now the Confederacy of all ships here was the national anthem of the Confederacy
Dixie
Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten,
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.
In Dixie Land, where I was born in,
early on one frosty mornin',
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.
I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
to live and die in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie
It kind of symbolizes the way we are cornered but still take a stand. Sorry I'm about a day late and a dollar short.
Salamon2: Yes, I can just see the promos:
For every Confederacy, there needs to be Harmony to support it.
or
Harmony is needed to bind the Confederacy together!
(I'm quite enjoying our satire/analogy)
lenocz complains that Herons are the natural allies of slashers: So they insult HHr shippers only when they are so generously accepting those slashy fics (I felt sad for Harry when he had to pair up with Snape, Draco or Voldemort or OMC while Ron gotto pair up with Hermione). So they were over-joyed when they knew that the author appeared to take their side.
Pygmie73: A thought I had on this question was that they don't understand why we stick with our ship even though we are supposedly "sunk" because of HBP and the IoD. We will defend our ship to the end since it's an ideal we believe in regardless of what JKR writes. And largely, I believe they may hate us because not only do we stick to those ideals, we also have sound, rational arguments to debate with and a good foundation to stand on which I think scares them. And sometimes, folks hide their fear through anger and acting out....hence the rude behavior and wanking.....
ladylaughalot: Thats a good point. Maybe they hate us cause they think we should've admitted defeat by now. The thing they don't understand is that we really can't.
Speaking only for myself here. I can't give up on Harmony cause it means giving up on Harry Potter as a series I admire. It means giving up on JK Rowling who has been my role model ever since I first read the series and found out what her life was like while writing it. It also means giving up on the idea that someone has been writing an amazing love story for all the world to enjoy and learn from. For me that's a lot to give up on.
Honestly I think that if bk7 proves us wrong I will still visit Portkey. Cause even though JKR might not see it Portkey has shown me that I'm not alone in my appreciation for what true love can be and even though it was unintentional JKR still wrote the foundation for an amazing love. We'll just have to ignore books 6 & 7 if that's the case and it'll probably make all the other HP shippers hate people like me even more.
Lillian Potter argues... well, I'm including this post for its marvelous incoherency: Ginny is very bitchy in the 6 book but I think it caues JK whats Ginny to be like Hermione or Ginny is mad at Hermione caues EVER with H/G togth THERE sill WAS H/HR in the book like when Harry dump Ginny He LOOKED at HERMIONE (pg US " It's been like ... like something out of someone eles's life. these last few weeks with you said harry "but I can't ... we can't .. I've got things to do alone now. " " but you have been busy saving the wizarding world ' said ginny" " Ron was now holding Hermione stroking her hair and her crying on his shoulder ..."
and on pg 592 Hermione waits TILL Ginny laves and says "Harry I found something out this morning in the librany..." but she did not say Ron and Harry or Harry and Ron just Harry"
Hermione's hero: I have also noticed that a lot of R/Hr shippers seem to hate H/G. There seems to some intelligence in the Heron camp, but not enough intelligence to realize their own ship sucks just as much.
to Adamant_Eve
I don't like them here either, but I don't see why we can't think of them as immature simpletons when that's exactly how they act when they come to this forum. They should remember that they have to remain silent and anything say or do will be used against them.
A good brain is useless unless you're willing to use it. They are someHarmonians that are still in grade school and they do better arguments than Herons twice their age. Do any of those Herons you speak of have a good reason as to why they ship Heron?
Also, Hermione Hero's sig pic? IRONY!
