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seraphtrevs ([info]seraphtrevs) wrote in [info]hp_cornfield,
@ 2006-06-05 22:58:00


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Current mood:Bitchy like a cheerleader

Ginny: Like black people, in a way
This wank was picked up from the sailor [info]lerefuge on the good ship [info]the_hms_stfu.

Are you all sick of Slutgate yet? I know I'm not. [info]darynthe wrote a rebuttal to all the Ginny defenses, including a psychological profile of the ferbile imagination of Ginny fans.

Highlights:


I’ve seen many comments where Ginny lovers (I saw How to kill a Mockingbird yesterday so saying Ginny-lovers is a very funny pun) have tried to explain away the horrible “crime” of disliking the aforementioned character.


Even if for a few of you, Ginny Weasley, a secondary character in a children series, is a representative of the most important human values in your systems; it doesn’t follow that the rest of the readers will give such an importance to said character.Was it because she is commonplace? Because she is like just any average person? No pretty, no smart (no Hermione for sure!), not rich, nor popular?


So, we come down to the point of the identification /projection issue. This people who didn’t identify with the “instant millionaire fantasy” may have found themselves not invested emotionally in any character, and even in some cases they were feeling more identified with Hermione.


Unfortunately literary and media stereotypes do exist. Cataloguing a character as belonging to a certain stereotype is something rather normal to do in the frame of in-depth analysis.

Bonus features in the comments:


[info]analectic: My theory is that Ginny is the Boba Fett of the HP world. Because pre-OotP, there were only a few tantalising tidbits about her so Ginny could be whatever you wanted her to be. Suddenly in the last two books she gets all this exposure and the preconceptions get fused with all the new info, rather than sparking a new analysis of the character.


[info]darynthe, in a response to a comment: Wow, that explanation you heard that it is Ok to bash real people but fictional characters are off limits is mind boogling. But then again I suppose you can stretch words and logic to fit almost anything you want to. This is why I often think that problems shouldn’t be solved by mere logic, they should be addressed first and foremost by principle, especially the Golden Rule.

ETA: [info]darynthe shows up, and the irony thickens.


I made that pun and attacked my own essay because I don't take myself too seriously, as you seem to do. I put myself in the bad guys place for the lenght of a sentence enclosed in a parethesis. So what?

Apparently, the internet is no longer serious business once you make an ass of yourself.

ETA the Second: [info]darynthe continues to not get it:

This is very ironic from people who makes icons about harmonians mocking them as they were african slaves opressed in North America

Look, we would love to keep the analogies to race issues out of it, but you guys keep bringing it up.




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[info]vaniah
2006-06-06 05:14 am UTC (link)
Ginny is the Boba Fett of the HP world.

That needs to be fan-arted. NOW.

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Because it's not complete, 'till it's iconed... - [info]freezer, 2006-06-07 12:53 am UTC
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Ta! - [info]sheep, 2006-06-09 04:27 pm UTC

[info]slackeremeritus
2006-06-06 05:32 am UTC (link)
My sinus medication-addled, sleep-deprived brain can't make sense of a damn thing [info]darynthe types. It's mind-boogling.

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[info]hinoema
2006-06-06 05:36 am UTC (link)
I think this one missed the point that Vance was being torched not so much for his attitude about Ginny, but by stating that real life cheeerleaders are skank ho's in order to make his point.

Morons. Go take your bathe, you twit.

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[info]seeshellirun
2006-06-06 05:37 am UTC (link)
"But then again I suppose you can stretch words and logic to fit almost anything you want to."

Sometimes - sometimes - the irony is so beautiful that I have to cross my legs tightly just to keep from peeing in excitement.

"This is why I often think that problems shouldn’t be solved by mere logic"

Ah, "mere" logic. It's the ingredient that needn't be included. Like the pesky "meat" in "meatloaf".

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[info]tehrin
2006-06-06 05:37 am UTC (link)
Ginny is supposed to be average. And I like her for that. Why do they think that just because Harry falls for her, she's now imbedded with super sue powers which JKR never gave her, even in HBP?

Like I've said, that pun=/= not funny. At all. They really missed the entire point of the book/movie if they equate those two together.

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[info]shallow_kid
2006-06-06 05:45 am UTC (link)
(I saw How to kill a Mockingbird yesterday so saying Ginny-lovers is a very funny pun)

Mmmmmmhmmmmm. That's nice. Really. And they wonder why people continue to pick on them.

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[info]tunxeh
2006-06-06 06:29 am UTC (link)
...but it's ok to use such language because she just watched TKaM thereby demonstrating that she is teh sensitive non-racistic type?

Uh, no, I don't think so.

And what it the word "How" doing in her version of that book's movie/title, anyway?

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[info]shallow_kid
2006-06-06 06:58 am UTC (link)
This is why I often think that problems shouldn’t be solved by mere logic, they should be addressed first and foremost by principle, especially the Golden Rule.

Which Golden Rule? The You're Always Wrong No Matter What and to Prove It I'll Spew Racist "Puns" and Crappy Pop Lyrics Rule?

Seriously, what is it with shippers and lyrics!? /last wank's peeve

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[info]ironymaiden
2006-06-06 07:42 am UTC (link)
I love the "I just watched To Kill a Mockingbird" comment. Like, are we supposed to applaude her for taking time out of her busy Ginny-hating schedule to watch it? Are we supposed to fall at her feet shouting "OMG SHE IS SO CULTURED" and just eat up her dumbassery?

Why do I imagine her watching TKaM and griping that it should be color, because B&W is boring, and who is this Gregory Peck? It should totally have starred Chad Michael Murray, because he is SO DEEP on One Tree Hill!
< /sarcasm>

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[info]hoopa
2006-06-06 08:04 am UTC (link)
Lucky these people arn't in Lost fandom. If they think Ginny is a slutty bitch they haven't met Kate, Ana-Lucia or Shannon...

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[info]gun
2006-06-06 09:20 am UTC (link)
So, how many people called them 'ugly' at school and how many of their crushes went for the pretty athletic girls?

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[info]sproutling
2006-06-06 09:44 am UTC (link)
From the 'essay':

- Harmonians hate her because she gets the hero.
- No, they hate her because she is pretty and popular, and they seem to have such complexes with pretty people that they hate anyone pretty.
- They are no popular either, so they also dislike a lot popular people.
- They hate her because they were wrong in their predictions
- No, they hate her because they want Harry with Hermione or Luna and Ginny