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seraphtrevs ([info]seraphtrevs) wrote in [info]hp_cornfield,
@ 2006-06-05 22:58:00


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Current mood:Bitchy like a cheerleader

Ginny: Like black people, in a way
This wank was picked up from the sailor [info]lerefuge on the good ship [info]the_hms_stfu.

Are you all sick of Slutgate yet? I know I'm not. [info]darynthe wrote a rebuttal to all the Ginny defenses, including a psychological profile of the ferbile imagination of Ginny fans.

Highlights:


I’ve seen many comments where Ginny lovers (I saw How to kill a Mockingbird yesterday so saying Ginny-lovers is a very funny pun) have tried to explain away the horrible “crime” of disliking the aforementioned character.


Even if for a few of you, Ginny Weasley, a secondary character in a children series, is a representative of the most important human values in your systems; it doesn’t follow that the rest of the readers will give such an importance to said character.Was it because she is commonplace? Because she is like just any average person? No pretty, no smart (no Hermione for sure!), not rich, nor popular?


So, we come down to the point of the identification /projection issue. This people who didn’t identify with the “instant millionaire fantasy” may have found themselves not invested emotionally in any character, and even in some cases they were feeling more identified with Hermione.


Unfortunately literary and media stereotypes do exist. Cataloguing a character as belonging to a certain stereotype is something rather normal to do in the frame of in-depth analysis.

Bonus features in the comments:


[info]analectic: My theory is that Ginny is the Boba Fett of the HP world. Because pre-OotP, there were only a few tantalising tidbits about her so Ginny could be whatever you wanted her to be. Suddenly in the last two books she gets all this exposure and the preconceptions get fused with all the new info, rather than sparking a new analysis of the character.


[info]darynthe, in a response to a comment: Wow, that explanation you heard that it is Ok to bash real people but fictional characters are off limits is mind boogling. But then again I suppose you can stretch words and logic to fit almost anything you want to. This is why I often think that problems shouldn’t be solved by mere logic, they should be addressed first and foremost by principle, especially the Golden Rule.

ETA: [info]darynthe shows up, and the irony thickens.


I made that pun and attacked my own essay because I don't take myself too seriously, as you seem to do. I put myself in the bad guys place for the lenght of a sentence enclosed in a parethesis. So what?

Apparently, the internet is no longer serious business once you make an ass of yourself.

ETA the Second: [info]darynthe continues to not get it:

This is very ironic from people who makes icons about harmonians mocking them as they were african slaves opressed in North America

Look, we would love to keep the analogies to race issues out of it, but you guys keep bringing it up.



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[info]hinoema
2006-06-06 07:06 am UTC (link)
Cliff notes: "When To Kill a Mockingbird was published in 1960, it brought its young first-time author, Harper Lee, a startling amount of attention and notoriety. The novel replays three key years in the life of Scout Finch, the young daughter of an Alabama town's principled lawyer. The work was an instant sensation, becoming a best-seller and winning the Pulitzer Prize for fiction. Scout's narrative relates how she and her elder brother Jem learn about fighting prejudice and upholding human dignity through the example of their father. Atticus Finch has taken on the legal defense of a black man who has been falsely charged with raping a white woman."

I'm still missing how this means anything apropos of Ginny fans.

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[info]hinoema
2006-06-06 07:09 am UTC (link)
Hnag on, is she equating that with saying n*ggger lovers? That's just ten shades of WTF, if so. Poor James (icon) may never recover.

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[info]seraphtrevs
2006-06-06 07:21 am UTC (link)
Sure looks like it. It isn't even like shooting fish in a barrel at this point. It's more like they're walking up to us and saying "Hey guys! I've got this rope that I've tied into a noose. I think I'll just put my head through it. Would you mind holding the other end while I climb up this tree?"

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[info]pyratejenni
2006-06-06 10:59 am UTC (link)
Yes. Yes, she is.

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[info]zyna_kat
2006-06-06 02:16 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure whether it's offensive or just plain pathetic.

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[info]narcissam
2006-06-06 06:24 pm UTC (link)
I'm thinking it's so pathetic, I just want to *cry*.

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[info]missdaisy
2006-06-06 07:26 pm UTC (link)
I vote both. And then I'd like vote to revoke the OP's library card. Can we do that?

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[info]oar
2006-06-06 05:21 pm UTC (link)
I KNOW. All the oceans of the world couldn't contain the millions of boiling gallons of WTF in my brain.

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[info]tehrin
2006-06-06 07:10 am UTC (link)
Oops, it WAS a rape trial. Haha, I told you it was a murder trial above. I haven't read it in a long time though so its an easy mistake.



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[info]pinkranger
2006-06-06 01:30 pm UTC (link)
In the book, Scout and Jem were often called by their classmates and other members of the town (ugh, can't type it, so wrong!) "n*gger lovers" because their father was defending Tom's case. Therefore, Ginny lovers are like the other lovers.

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[info]mrs_bombastic
2006-06-06 01:32 pm UTC (link)
Therefore, Ginny lovers are like the other lovers.

*is proud even though I know there is no relation*

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