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We're about due for another loss of collective IQ points, right? We are? Well, in that case, check out What canon points make you worry that R/Hm could really happen?

srikant61: I alw ays thought that the love interest of the main character should be sealed firstand not his best friend. JKR did say that we should have worked out who does hermione like as friend Harry or ron?Why should the main character like Harry fall for a secondary character like Ginny when all he needs is Hermione., this woman who has literally breathed and lived for harry.

Nathaniel: [paraphrased for tl;dr's sake] I still believe canon points to H/Hr, but JKR made it apparent in the IoD that it's OBHWF. She was being pretty damn blunt about it. ~~Stop reading so far into things and redefining words, you delusional fucktards.~~

Vanceone: I don't think I'd go that far, Nathaniel. She wasn't as blunt as she could have been--she has never sunk H/Hr. She's never said "H/Hr won't happen." Indeed, she does seem to be trying to point like a magician--"nothing up my sleeve with H/hr... it's OBWHF all the way!"
But I think she went too far... and I don't know. Would she change her story to OBHWF so she can say she never lied in the interviews? She might.

SweetHarmony: 1. first this book is not about Ron and The HOw he will get Laid or get date.
2. This is story of one boy's journey to life..and everything that in it..that will make "Harry' survive.
3. Having friendship, bravely and Love is all he needed to live and Hermione will gave him that to win over war of Voldy and his groon.

brown: I looked up the word "know" in the dictionary - one of the definitions is "to have fixed in the mind". Let's rewrite JKR's sentence: We now have it fixed in our minds that it's R/Hr. Let me just add to that thought, Harry knew it was Snape trying to steal the stone. Just because something is believed to be true, doesn't make it the truth.

Hermione Potter: Does JKR honestly believe that Hermione should fall for an nincompoop such as Ron? Are we to understand that perhaps Ron was showing another side of himself to Hermione off page? If not, then I just don't understand the attraction. Maybe it's me, but I just find Ron as physically unattractive with a demeanor and personality to match. I picture the actors as the characters, and I think Rupert just isn't handsome. Not one bit. (I did warn you all I was going to be shallow!)

See Salamon2's verbal diarrhea on how poor people are driven insane when they feel they owe someone a debt because they've acted like an asshole and this insanity causes them to ... act like an asshole some more. Therefore, R/Hr SUCKS! Thank you.

srikant61: I don't want to make a personal attack on the author but surely she must have learnt something out of her first relationship. I believe that it had also ended on a fight. I had expected a bit more maturity from the author concerning relationships about her characters . I thought she was writing for kids to learn the message of love, not for normal adults like us to get repulsed by reading the R/Hr in the books.

Nathaniel:Book 6 showed me personally why Ron and Hermione are not suited. It showed me why they simply can not work, even for a day. It showed me why any attempt at a romantic relationship Ron and Hermione would lead to an explosion between the two of them that would make Hiroshima look like a hand-made soda-bottle bomb (I hope I did not offend anybody with that reference).

srikant61: Also one thing why did Ron break his figurine of Krum that he had got at the world cup?
Was he jealous about Kum dating Hermione?
My reasons are that he regarded Krum as his hero and was betrayed by him feeling that the guy was not talking to him but talking to his other best friend, bookworm hermione.
Similarly dumbledore was harry's hero of sorts But he was extremely angry and lost faith in him after the events of year 5 as well as the DoM.

I would like to hear your opinions on ~~Dumbledore/Harry yaoi~~ this subject.

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seldomnaughty
2006-12-05 03:39 pm UTC (link)

Yes, because rewriting the words out of someone's mouth when they don't suit your ultimate argument is always going to help you out in the long run. However, the minute I read "fixed in our minds" I imagined Severus Snape delivering the line. I wonder what that's all about.

It's a wonder the Harmonians are even reading the books anymore. The books are all about the R/Hr. The movies, however, seem to lean as far toward H/Hr as they can without actually changing the story. I figure, if you want to see H/Hr, just go bury yourself in the films. :P

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	ladylance 2006-12-05 03:53 pm UTC (link)
	I think the movies must be behind this movement that Harmony will exist in book canon, because yeah, if you look at the book there is nothing but R/Hr and Hermione doesn't steal all of Ron's lines and be the super feminist to boot. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-05 03:54 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, it's Steve Kloves, for sure. Something tells me he's getting bribes from the Harmonians. That, and he's got a major hard-on for Emma Watson. No wonder she keeps considering not coming back to the films -- he's probably following her around going, "Eeeeeeeemmmmmaaaaaa... with some fava beans and chianti... ftftftftftftftftft" (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2006-12-05 05:05 pm UTC (link)
	And that bit is from HarmonyForums: "I think I'm most nervous about this film more than the others because (1) there are so many pivotal H/Hr moments I want to see* and (2) Kloves isn't writing it. I know a lot of people don't really like what Kloves has done, but I always thought he at least got the main characters down." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-05 05:06 pm UTC (link)
	snort HA. RIGHT. SURE. Oh ho, Harmonians, I expected the batshit, but yet it makes me laugh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ladylance 2006-12-05 05:14 pm UTC (link)
	snark That would do it for just about anyone, I'd think. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	grrliz 2006-12-05 04:55 pm UTC (link)
	I've always thought the movies shipped R/Hr, actually. There's a lot of stupid H/Hr stuff that's unnecessary (Dan holding Emma in PoA and her saying "THAT WAS SO SCARY!" er WTF?) but the weirdo awkwardness that marks Ron and Hermione's relationships in the books is there in full force in the movies, vastly outweighing all the smaller H/Hr bits. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-05 04:56 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I won't deny that there's Ron/Hermione there, but I felt that it was there almost exclusively in GoF. Before that, I felt like Ron was kind of the afterthought. It didn't help that Harry and Hermione spent the last bit of PoA by themselves with Ron in the infirmary. :P (Reply to this)(Parent)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-05 04:58 pm UTC (link)
	Er, come to think of it, the big "there's suddenly R/Hr in these films!" moment that I completely forgot about is the hand-touching in PoA, so my other comment's all wrong. Heh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

grrliz
2006-12-05 05:06 pm UTC (link)

Well there's the whole hand touching OMG COOTIES thing in PoA, and at the end of CoS when Hermione comes back from the infirmary she leaps into Harry's arms and can barely manage a handshake with Ron due to being twelve and awkward. I don't know, the movies always made it really clear to me that they shipped R/Hr. I know Kloves' favourite character is Hermione, but I've never gotten the impression that he was a huge H/Hr shipper.

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seldomnaughty
2006-12-05 05:08 pm UTC (link)

Ah, see, for me, it's always seemed like he throws in the awkward R/Hr moments and making Hermione call him "Ronald" all the damned time because that's how it is in the books and so that's how it has to be in the end.

I think the problem may not necessarily be all Kloves, though -- it seems that Dan and Emma just have really good on-screen chemistry, so it's easy to see H/Hr. They seem to lend themselves to it.

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	grrliz 2006-12-05 05:12 pm UTC (link)
	I've never interpreted it as romantic chemistry, though, just chemistry of friends (apparently they're good friends in real life?)... which I suppose is the grand metaphor for the whole H/Hr thing: misinterpreting being friends with someone as having romantic interest in them. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-05 05:14 pm UTC (link)
	I think my interpretation of the films has always tended to lean away from Ron in general -- it took me 'til about halfway through GoF to finally get to a point where I didn't groan every time Rupert Grint is on-screen. :\ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-05 05:15 pm UTC (link)
	*WAS on screen, yaaargh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	grrliz 2006-12-05 05:16 pm UTC (link)
	Well yeah, that can be a problem in and of itself. I cringe a lot every time Emma says "Ronald" and it looks like she'll be doing it in OotP too. BAH. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-05 05:17 pm UTC (link)
	She always says it in this really grating way -- "RONald!" It makes me twitch. Plus, it always feels so, so forced in the dialogue, not like something Hermione would actually naturally do. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	tao_tao 2006-12-05 09:08 pm UTC (link)
	But he was so awesome in PS. (All the critics said so too - and he won prices!) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	peachespig 2006-12-05 06:10 pm UTC (link)
	I think the problem may not necessarily be all Kloves, though Kloves has annoyed me about multiple things, but I think the intentions of the scripts have always been solidly R/Hr, more than actually got translated to the screen. A pre-GoF movie defense of Kloves that's well worth reading is here. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-05 07:56 pm UTC (link)
	Wow, thanks for that link. I haven't really been for or against Kloves all too terribly much, but that does help reinforce the fact that he's not the very last word on the script, and that other factors come into play when deciding how the scenes will ultimately play out. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	maegwin_of_hern 2006-12-05 08:59 pm UTC (link)
	I actually always thought that the movies were hinting more towards R/Hr than the books, but that could just be me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-06 06:21 am UTC (link)
	I'm starting to think my opinion about the movies leaning H/Hr is actually just me. We may be at a standstill. :P (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2006-12-06 02:52 pm UTC (link)
	Actually, it's you, all Harmonians and many sane people as well (me being one of them, lol). I think they do show H/Hr but at the same time, they promote Hermione as a flawless heroine, and that naturally leads to her being hero's partner/girlfriend. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seldomnaughty 2006-12-06 04:21 pm UTC (link)
	I think a big, big part of it is the way PoA left Ron in the infirmary for the last chunk of the film. So much happened with Harry, Hermione, and the timeturner, and because Ron just wasn't present, the entire last chunk of the film is just Harry and Hermione. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2006-12-07 05:54 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. Just too darn bad that was the way it was in the book, too. Darn that JKR! Leaving out Ronniekins! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2006-12-07 08:49 pm UTC (link)
	I mean "they do show R/Hr", lol, sorry for that. And it means that no matter how many H/Hr scenes are from the books, the fact that Hermione has Ron's lines and always saves the day does change the book balance. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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