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elainie (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} elainie) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} hp_cornfield,@ 2007-02-19 22:25:00 |
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Why do *I* have to do everything??!
Yoinked directly from mousey on wank report:
Still mining the OotP promotional pics for her "visual arguments" against H/G, Anise continues to bring Teh Funneh.
The thread page is thus:
Scroll down to find Anise's latest material! (http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/sh
The particular example is from this:
I'll bet you a skrillion dollars that [film!HBP] won't[be chock full of H/G shippiness]. (What do you mean, that's not a real number??)But here’s why: when we talk about "shippiness," we’re not really talking about the fact that two characters kiss, go for "walks" by the lake, or an in a relationship. We’re really talking about a certain way of interpreting the way in which a relationship is portrayed. And the reason this is the true definition, I think, is that we honestly don’t know how any of the relationships will end in DH. We’ll know once we’ve read the book. After that, shippiness will probably take on yet another definition.
I just "love" how she takes on the responsibility of being the True Arbiter of Shippiness.
By the time HBP comes out, however—-and, in fact, by the time the principal photography really even gets underway—-everyone will know how the series ends, including people who haven’t read any of the books. Old Order Amish living in a cave may avoid knowing the ending, but I doubt that anyone else can. We’ll all know how H/G turns out. And knowing how H/G ends, the way it’s portrayed in HBP will accurately reflect exactly what happened. But it won’t be “shippy,” since “shippiness” in its current definition contains an implied argument that the ship in question will be the final, true, genuine ship. We’ll all know better by then; we’ll know that and why and how it failed. There isn’t going to be much point in squeeing about a kiss once we know that Harry later learned he wasn’t in his right mind at the time. Sorry… well, no, I’m not… but I’m all through pretending that this won’t be the ending of H/G. If I had ten thousand dollars lying around the house, I would happily bet it on a no-H/G ending.
I'd take that bet!
There's more pseudointellectual rambling in the post, as is customary for Anise, and it may be mined for wankage, but I'll just cut to my latest favorite fit of self-aggrandizing posturing:
Ginny’s role has been written differently in the films from canon. There’s absolutely no way to deny that. But this is the reason that understanding authorial control over the films is vital to understanding what’s really happening with H/G. Actually, I honestly think that if everyone had gone to film school and taken a class about film adaptations, we would not even be having these H/G arguments. In fact, why do *I* have to be the only one who does research around here?? Let’s have someone else pick up this challenge—-interview the scriptwriting teacher at your local film school!
All bolded emphasis is mine, of course.
For a bit of insight into the trigger for her latest delusions, she later makes a post with this gem of wisdom for the TRUE determiner of final canon--in fact, she's been beating this horse a lot lately:
Well, I do expect to see scenes in the film that show some kind of interaction between Harry and Ginny; I'm not trying to say that there won't be any, understand. The main thing we know right now that is significant is that we've seen Harry pics, Ron pics, Hermione pics, Harry and Hermione pics, Trio pics, Harry-and-a-character-made-up-for-the film pics, Umbridge pics, Dumbledore pics, group photo of the entire DA pics, Trelawney pics, McGonagall pics, Harry/Cho pics, Snape pics, Sirius pics, Bella pics, Neville pics, Neville-and-his-plant pics, Draco pics, Goyle pics, Luna pics, Harry-and-Luna pics... and no H/G pics. No solo Ginny pics, either. If examples of these two pics come out tomorrow-- as they certainly could-- we would still have seen ALL THESE PICS before seeing them. If these scenes that showed Harry and Ginny interacting in some way were shot (and I do think that they were, although all of them may not have been,) then why NOT release something from them?
HBP? Novel by JK Rowling? Who needs it?!
*squeaks*
And to add to the original wank report from the anonymouse, here's another little gem Anise has added:
I want to see some [pro-HG] arguments that are constructed without violating the most basic rule of logic, or that do not rely on the straw man technique...
*snip*
I'm going to start MAKING UP pro-H/G arguments soon and posting them, to show y'all what I mean.
Heh. Get some popcorn - this oughta be good.
ETA: Although apparently it was HIGHLY significant to the future of H/G that Goyle had a promo picture released but Ginny hasn't (as seen in this post from Anise):
MORE new photos from OotP, more Harry, more Draco, more Goyle, and still NO GINNY and NO H/G!! This is really starting to get ridiculous. I'm starting to honestly think that maybe all of Ginny's book scenes really weren't filmed. I still can't believe that there's no Harry-Ginny interaction of any kind in the film, though, since there actually was some in the book. So that begs the question: why haven't any pics from it been released?
...now that it's been cleared up that the Goyle picture is actually from GoF, suddenly it's not important any more. Thus sayeth Anise:
And I've said it before and I'll say it again... when we're wrong, we admit it. We're building a case for our point of view, namely, that H/G was an awful relationship, and, for a lot of us, that it will not start up again in DH or be the final pairing. Our case is no good unless we ourselves know its strengths and its weaknesses. Actually, if we had to have a weakness, this one is the kind I'd want to have, as it makes no difference one way or the other to the case against H/G if we had a photo of Draco and Goyle from OotP at this point or not. It would have been a nice little extra. (bold mine)
Yoinked directly from mousey on wank report:
Still mining the OotP promotional pics for her "visual arguments" against H/G, Anise continues to bring Teh Funneh.
The thread page is thus:
Scroll down to find Anise's latest material! (http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/sh
The particular example is from this:
I'll bet you a skrillion dollars that [film!HBP] won't[be chock full of H/G shippiness]. (What do you mean, that's not a real number??)But here’s why: when we talk about "shippiness," we’re not really talking about the fact that two characters kiss, go for "walks" by the lake, or an in a relationship. We’re really talking about a certain way of interpreting the way in which a relationship is portrayed. And the reason this is the true definition, I think, is that we honestly don’t know how any of the relationships will end in DH. We’ll know once we’ve read the book. After that, shippiness will probably take on yet another definition.
I just "love" how she takes on the responsibility of being the True Arbiter of Shippiness.
By the time HBP comes out, however—-and, in fact, by the time the principal photography really even gets underway—-everyone will know how the series ends, including people who haven’t read any of the books. Old Order Amish living in a cave may avoid knowing the ending, but I doubt that anyone else can. We’ll all know how H/G turns out. And knowing how H/G ends, the way it’s portrayed in HBP will accurately reflect exactly what happened. But it won’t be “shippy,” since “shippiness” in its current definition contains an implied argument that the ship in question will be the final, true, genuine ship. We’ll all know better by then; we’ll know that and why and how it failed. There isn’t going to be much point in squeeing about a kiss once we know that Harry later learned he wasn’t in his right mind at the time. Sorry… well, no, I’m not… but I’m all through pretending that this won’t be the ending of H/G. If I had ten thousand dollars lying around the house, I would happily bet it on a no-H/G ending.
I'd take that bet!
There's more pseudointellectual rambling in the post, as is customary for Anise, and it may be mined for wankage, but I'll just cut to my latest favorite fit of self-aggrandizing posturing:
Ginny’s role has been written differently in the films from canon. There’s absolutely no way to deny that. But this is the reason that understanding authorial control over the films is vital to understanding what’s really happening with H/G. Actually, I honestly think that if everyone had gone to film school and taken a class about film adaptations, we would not even be having these H/G arguments. In fact, why do *I* have to be the only one who does research around here?? Let’s have someone else pick up this challenge—-interview the scriptwriting teacher at your local film school!
All bolded emphasis is mine, of course.
For a bit of insight into the trigger for her latest delusions, she later makes a post with this gem of wisdom for the TRUE determiner of final canon--in fact, she's been beating this horse a lot lately:
Well, I do expect to see scenes in the film that show some kind of interaction between Harry and Ginny; I'm not trying to say that there won't be any, understand. The main thing we know right now that is significant is that we've seen Harry pics, Ron pics, Hermione pics, Harry and Hermione pics, Trio pics, Harry-and-a-character-made-up-for-the film pics, Umbridge pics, Dumbledore pics, group photo of the entire DA pics, Trelawney pics, McGonagall pics, Harry/Cho pics, Snape pics, Sirius pics, Bella pics, Neville pics, Neville-and-his-plant pics, Draco pics, Goyle pics, Luna pics, Harry-and-Luna pics... and no H/G pics. No solo Ginny pics, either. If examples of these two pics come out tomorrow-- as they certainly could-- we would still have seen ALL THESE PICS before seeing them. If these scenes that showed Harry and Ginny interacting in some way were shot (and I do think that they were, although all of them may not have been,) then why NOT release something from them?
HBP? Novel by JK Rowling? Who needs it?!
*squeaks*
And to add to the original wank report from the anonymouse, here's another little gem Anise has added:
I want to see some [pro-HG] arguments that are constructed without violating the most basic rule of logic, or that do not rely on the straw man technique...
*snip*
I'm going to start MAKING UP pro-H/G arguments soon and posting them, to show y'all what I mean.
Heh. Get some popcorn - this oughta be good.
ETA: Although apparently it was HIGHLY significant to the future of H/G that Goyle had a promo picture released but Ginny hasn't (as seen in this post from Anise):
MORE new photos from OotP, more Harry, more Draco, more Goyle, and still NO GINNY and NO H/G!! This is really starting to get ridiculous. I'm starting to honestly think that maybe all of Ginny's book scenes really weren't filmed. I still can't believe that there's no Harry-Ginny interaction of any kind in the film, though, since there actually was some in the book. So that begs the question: why haven't any pics from it been released?
...now that it's been cleared up that the Goyle picture is actually from GoF, suddenly it's not important any more. Thus sayeth Anise:
And I've said it before and I'll say it again... when we're wrong, we admit it. We're building a case for our point of view, namely, that H/G was an awful relationship, and, for a lot of us, that it will not start up again in DH or be the final pairing. Our case is no good unless we ourselves know its strengths and its weaknesses. Actually, if we had to have a weakness, this one is the kind I'd want to have, as it makes no difference one way or the other to the case against H/G if we had a photo of Draco and Goyle from OotP at this point or not. It would have been a nice little extra. (bold mine)
