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It's been quiet here ... too quiet
Emma Watson recently had an interview, in which she said:
Oh no she didn't!
(Yes, I realized that Portkey wank is not like shooting fish in a barrel but pouring the barrel of fish out on the ground and jumping on them, but still. One of the actors gave a ship preference homgz11!!!11!!!)
Miss Mady: Did she really say she liked R/Hr because "he treats her horribly"? Oh Lord. What is Emma going on about? I want to be really snarky right now and rebute those comments, but I won't...
manuel23 ve: I really don't like the message R/Hr is sending to the kids. Maybe i'm a hopeless romantic.
[My buddy] mathiasgranger: So Hermione is looking to be amused by a guy who annoys and angers her....
Wow...I might just have to take back that smart label I placed on Emma...that is just...deep as a puddle.
Salamon2 [who, like faithfulreader, knows more about girls than girls do]: So we're doing the E.N.A.S.U.T.H. thing now? Count me in!
E.N.A.S.U.T.H. - Emma needs a slap upside the head
(stolen from pemberly.com where it's Edmund needs a slap upside the head, in reference to Jane Austen's Mansfield Park).
Also "most girls end up with guys who treat them horribly" - yeah, in High School... but those relationships don't last beyond it... And if they do, then most of those relationships either end in divorce or the guy cheating on the girl. Dear lord!
Excuse me, there is little hope for the rest of the human race, so let me go kill myself:
Black Agnes: Maybe we need a PK dating service and advice column for the nice, sentient folks who know why love should only be if it is like H/Hr
Seamus22: Might as well add me to the E.N.A.S.U.T.H. club. I'm only a little older than her and I know Ron is just insensitive and the relationship they do have is abusive. If Ron were to gain maturity two books ago I'd say he has a chance, but fortunetly he hasn't yet. But it is her opinion no matter how truly odd it is.
faithful2thecall: Hermione/Ron is a horrible example of what a romantic relationship should look like to young kids, especially in HBP. Emma's comments make me think that she might be the one with the emotional depth of a teaspoon (sorry, couldn't help myself either tongue.gif ).
mathiasgranger: As a public figure even one that is considered an adult and has adult assistants...I guess I don't understand the reasoning for why she would put her thoughts in such a dumb way.
I just have a feeling society is quickly moving away from marriage...soon we'll just have people having sex with no emotional attachment...because apparently that is the only thing that matters to the media...and society at large.
faithful2thecall: It'll be a sad state of affairs when a majority of people have sex with no emotional attachment (no pun intended).
I don't know the percentages, but there are a number of authors out there who write things into their stories that are critiques of aspects of society. We've already seen JKR do that in the series (the issue of blood purity comes to mind off the top of my head), so we have every reason to believe she'll do it again when it comes to love and criticize modern societies lack of emotional depth in their relationships. Of course, I'm also a hopeless romantic.
Salamon2: Welcome to "Brave New World" where people just have sex for sex's sake, marriage is a concept of the past, children are raised in test tubes, and people are encouraged to be promiscuous. You're frowned upon if you stay with one partner for too long.
Et la piece de resistance, Black Agnes again. Bolds mine.
I certainly hope you're right about this. This "cultural slide" away from the romantic ideal of love perfected by Jane Austen has been going on for such a long time. The 1960s and Cosmopolitan magazine and the sexual revolution and media bubblegum for the eyes have all shaped the values of a couple of generations. The pace of life itself has quickened radically from a "long way" being walking three miles from the Bennet house to Netherfield. Instant, visual media must "grab" attention with flashy, superficiality or get lost in the flood of images. My dad was in television for 40 years (from its inception until he retired in the '80s), and he always bemoaned the slippage of storytelling itself. Rather than carefully telling (i.e., revealing artfully) a story, television and film began to rely more and more heavily on flash to cover up the lack of substance. And our media-influenced society is shaped dramatically by this hit-and-run (or "slam, bam, thank you, ma'am" if you prefer) approach. Even books geared for children and young adults began to slide away from well-told stories of wonder that transcended the ordinary (think Chronicles of Narnia, The Secret Garden, even Huckleberry Finn) to garbage (my opinion) about super-ordinary people being super-ordinary in a post-modern, minimalist world. Not to ding ordinary people as subjects of books, but literature and all storytelling should take you somewhere you haven't been on your own. That could be Narnia...or that could be a different state of being. Just don't gave me Judy Blume! Her books could just be creative non-fiction textbooks on being ordinary.
When HP came out, it represented a welcome departure back to storytelling. Clearly, JKR relishes the art of the well-told story, the slow reveal, the clue-dropping and foreshadowing, the smokecreens...oh, all the things we love in an edge-of-the-seat movie or book or play. Look at us...we're sitting on the edge of the seat right now, and isn't that amazing? She has given us indictments of bigotry, greed, selfishness, etc., the things that plague society (and always have.) I have faith that the slow pace of character development and plot in HP bodes well for further indictments of the "slam, bam, thank you, ma'am" approach. She has said she wants to show people falling in love...and falling in love the good old fashioned way that we love means seeing beyond the surface. Beauty comes from within, not from some ideal thrown up for 15 seconds on a music video. I think Ron's quote in HBP about Luna is really revealing--he is really beginning to like her. In a rare moment of reflection, he is seeing beyond the wacky and into the delightful side of this girl. Of course he really does love Hermione, but he seems to be well on the path of falling in love with Luna. Her beauty is in slow reflection and in peeling away the surface. And JKR said it is important for us to see characters fall in love...and I think she means really fall in love over time, in the slow reveal of the classically told tale. Love is not a chest monster that comes roaring down the line; love is Emma going, "oh, OH, OHHHH! Maybe I blew it...it was Knightley all the time, and I took him for granted." The denouement will be swift, but the build up has taken forever. This is good storytelling. And I trust JKR to deliver.
Emma Watson recently had an interview, in which she said:
Now it is clear to everybody that it is not just friendship between them. Everybody except them, of course. It is so typical, girls tend to end up with those guys who most annoy them, who most get them angry, who most behave horribly. Ron acts exactly like this towards Hermione. But their relationship will develop somehow, sooner or later. They will become a couple, I’m sure. Ron amuses her, which is what Hermione needs. And she keeps him in line. A perfect couple.
Oh no she didn't!
(Yes, I realized that Portkey wank is not like shooting fish in a barrel but pouring the barrel of fish out on the ground and jumping on them, but still. One of the actors gave a ship preference homgz11!!!11!!!)
Miss Mady: Did she really say she liked R/Hr because "he treats her horribly"? Oh Lord. What is Emma going on about? I want to be really snarky right now and rebute those comments, but I won't...
manuel23 ve: I really don't like the message R/Hr is sending to the kids. Maybe i'm a hopeless romantic.
[My buddy] mathiasgranger: So Hermione is looking to be amused by a guy who annoys and angers her....
Wow...I might just have to take back that smart label I placed on Emma...that is just...deep as a puddle.
Salamon2 [who, like faithfulreader, knows more about girls than girls do]: So we're doing the E.N.A.S.U.T.H. thing now? Count me in!
E.N.A.S.U.T.H. - Emma needs a slap upside the head
(stolen from pemberly.com where it's Edmund needs a slap upside the head, in reference to Jane Austen's Mansfield Park).
Also "most girls end up with guys who treat them horribly" - yeah, in High School... but those relationships don't last beyond it... And if they do, then most of those relationships either end in divorce or the guy cheating on the girl. Dear lord!
Excuse me, there is little hope for the rest of the human race, so let me go kill myself:
Black Agnes: Maybe we need a PK dating service and advice column for the nice, sentient folks who know why love should only be if it is like H/Hr
Seamus22: Might as well add me to the E.N.A.S.U.T.H. club. I'm only a little older than her and I know Ron is just insensitive and the relationship they do have is abusive. If Ron were to gain maturity two books ago I'd say he has a chance, but fortunetly he hasn't yet. But it is her opinion no matter how truly odd it is.
faithful2thecall: Hermione/Ron is a horrible example of what a romantic relationship should look like to young kids, especially in HBP. Emma's comments make me think that she might be the one with the emotional depth of a teaspoon (sorry, couldn't help myself either tongue.gif ).
mathiasgranger: As a public figure even one that is considered an adult and has adult assistants...I guess I don't understand the reasoning for why she would put her thoughts in such a dumb way.
I just have a feeling society is quickly moving away from marriage...soon we'll just have people having sex with no emotional attachment...because apparently that is the only thing that matters to the media...and society at large.
faithful2thecall: It'll be a sad state of affairs when a majority of people have sex with no emotional attachment (no pun intended).
I don't know the percentages, but there are a number of authors out there who write things into their stories that are critiques of aspects of society. We've already seen JKR do that in the series (the issue of blood purity comes to mind off the top of my head), so we have every reason to believe she'll do it again when it comes to love and criticize modern societies lack of emotional depth in their relationships. Of course, I'm also a hopeless romantic.
Salamon2: Welcome to "Brave New World" where people just have sex for sex's sake, marriage is a concept of the past, children are raised in test tubes, and people are encouraged to be promiscuous. You're frowned upon if you stay with one partner for too long.
Et la piece de resistance, Black Agnes again. Bolds mine.
I certainly hope you're right about this. This "cultural slide" away from the romantic ideal of love perfected by Jane Austen has been going on for such a long time. The 1960s and Cosmopolitan magazine and the sexual revolution and media bubblegum for the eyes have all shaped the values of a couple of generations. The pace of life itself has quickened radically from a "long way" being walking three miles from the Bennet house to Netherfield. Instant, visual media must "grab" attention with flashy, superficiality or get lost in the flood of images. My dad was in television for 40 years (from its inception until he retired in the '80s), and he always bemoaned the slippage of storytelling itself. Rather than carefully telling (i.e., revealing artfully) a story, television and film began to rely more and more heavily on flash to cover up the lack of substance. And our media-influenced society is shaped dramatically by this hit-and-run (or "slam, bam, thank you, ma'am" if you prefer) approach. Even books geared for children and young adults began to slide away from well-told stories of wonder that transcended the ordinary (think Chronicles of Narnia, The Secret Garden, even Huckleberry Finn) to garbage (my opinion) about super-ordinary people being super-ordinary in a post-modern, minimalist world. Not to ding ordinary people as subjects of books, but literature and all storytelling should take you somewhere you haven't been on your own. That could be Narnia...or that could be a different state of being. Just don't gave me Judy Blume! Her books could just be creative non-fiction textbooks on being ordinary.
When HP came out, it represented a welcome departure back to storytelling. Clearly, JKR relishes the art of the well-told story, the slow reveal, the clue-dropping and foreshadowing, the smokecreens...oh, all the things we love in an edge-of-the-seat movie or book or play. Look at us...we're sitting on the edge of the seat right now, and isn't that amazing? She has given us indictments of bigotry, greed, selfishness, etc., the things that plague society (and always have.) I have faith that the slow pace of character development and plot in HP bodes well for further indictments of the "slam, bam, thank you, ma'am" approach. She has said she wants to show people falling in love...and falling in love the good old fashioned way that we love means seeing beyond the surface. Beauty comes from within, not from some ideal thrown up for 15 seconds on a music video. I think Ron's quote in HBP about Luna is really revealing--he is really beginning to like her. In a rare moment of reflection, he is seeing beyond the wacky and into the delightful side of this girl. Of course he really does love Hermione, but he seems to be well on the path of falling in love with Luna. Her beauty is in slow reflection and in peeling away the surface. And JKR said it is important for us to see characters fall in love...and I think she means really fall in love over time, in the slow reveal of the classically told tale. Love is not a chest monster that comes roaring down the line; love is Emma going, "oh, OH, OHHHH! Maybe I blew it...it was Knightley all the time, and I took him for granted." The denouement will be swift, but the build up has taken forever. This is good storytelling. And I trust JKR to deliver.
