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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]hp_cornfield,
@ 2007-09-21 17:03:00


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"You don't know the history of the Third Reich! I do!"
Back in August, Lissy/Lysette ran into a spot of trouble with the old Harry Potter/Hitler comparisons. For your amusement.

Lissy: I tend to view the Post Voldemort Wizarding World as a cross between thirties Germany under Chancellor Hitler, when undesirables were already starting to disappear, and Salem under Cotton Matther, where certain people were Born Evil, and needed to be rooted out and destroyed for the good of the whole. Matther had the right to decide who was worthy to live, and who was not. Only HIS opinion Mattered. I hope Harry doesn't mind that Dumbledore deemed him as Not Worthy. On the other hand, Ronald Weasley is the Poster Boy for the New World Order. The Fourth Reich.

I would never want to live under Rowling's New World Order.
Arya 23:You know this is all nice and dandy to express a displeasure with the new book and its "message" and all as I dont deny it could rise one' eyebrows more than once but comparisons like these you just made are plain ignorant and disgusting. It is very easy to throw comparison to Hitler and Fifth Reich around. Really. But you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lissy: I bet I know far more about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland in '38 than you think. You had those that were born on the "right side" and those that were born on the "wrong side." (Strange that Hitler and most of his cronies would be placed on the wrong side, same as Cotton Matther in his Salem, if someone else was doing the judging.) Things happened like the SS grabbed this wrong guy because he happened to have the same name as someone they were looking for. They sent the casket back with a note on it to the family to not open. The guy they grabbed was a harmless teacher at the local college. In the early Thirties, anyone foolish enough to wear a Military Uniform out in public was likely to be torn to pieces by the Mob because the Military was hated for losing WW I and making things the way they now were. Many Historians have said that Hitler would have gone down in History as a "Great Statesman," if only he had had the good sense to die by 1938. People were already starting to "disappear," but they were only the wrong people. Just ignore it. Right People were safe. After WW I, Germany was beaten like the South after the Civil War in the US. Hitler was rebuilding Germany at an incredible rate, but no one could even imagine what the terrible cost that would be later extracted for it.

Your Duty IS to the State and Nothing else. WHATEVER the State may require of you, Hitler's plan to produce plenty of Aryan Babies to fill the Military and that sort. In Sparta, Anyone who died in battle OR IN CHILDBIRTH was given a State Funeral because they died in service to the State. The Citizens ONLY function is to Serve the State. If they have no service to give to the State, then they are useless and should be discarded. Examples, Molly constantly harping that all her kids MUST go into the Ministry, even if like the Twins, they have NO aptitude for it. To not serve the State is to have No purpose at all. If the State requires you to die, then you better get about it, and not question why. To question the State in any way is Blasphemy. One of my favorite authors was with Sixth Army at Leningrad, and actually lived to write about it after the War.
And then the FA mods warned Lissy off the subject. Short, but bewildering as usual.

ETA: More Hitler Comparisons.



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[info]cork118
2007-09-22 12:18 am UTC (link)
Seriously, who is this person? Where the fuck does she come from? Every time I read about her I just o_O. Is she a disgruntled teen? A displeased Harmonian? Does she have a doctorite? I need details.

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[info]dreamworld
2007-09-22 12:22 am UTC (link)
There's more of the same here.

I bet I know far more about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland in '38 than you think.

Srsly, how old is she?

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-22 12:25 am UTC (link)
Ah, but she's back at it again with the Hitler comparisons - this just in!:

http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?s=df65d674fe00109dd91c086693e43fd5&postid=1748484#post1748484

A snippet: Why doesn't the Wizarding World just make up a list of criteria that make up the ideal witch or wizard like Hitler's Aryan Race, and anyone who does not fit into those criteria are killed quickly at birth?

and
http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?s=df65d674fe00109dd91c086693e43fd5&postid=1748535#post1748535

If the State can determine, AT BIRTH, if a baby is Saved/Good or Damned/Evil/Fallen, then it is imperative of the State to either destroy all the Fallen/Evil/Defective babies immediately like Sparta, or isolate them from the rest of Society like the Final Solution called for. (Interesting that Hitler and his cronies ALL qualified as Undesirables of the State, and would have otherwise been ALL sent to a Concentration Camp.) The fact that a Stephen Hawkins might be in the group deemed Undesirable by the State doesn't matter. To protect the more desirable members of the population, those that are judged to be UNFIT, need to be removed from the general population IMMEDIATELY for the Public Good.

Interesting that History tends to view those that implement such views as MONSTERS like Cotton Mather (Of Salem Witch Trials Fame) or Hitler, and those that were judged UNFIT as VICTIMS of said Monsters.


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pastri_archy
2007-09-22 12:27 am UTC (link)
Allow me to be the first to go: "HOLY SHIT THAT'S BATSHIT" & "GODWIN'S LAW HAS BEEN VIOLATED SIDEWAYS WITH A CACTUS."

*slinks back into the shadows of speechlessness and bogglement*

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(no subject) - [info]scarah2, 2007-09-22 12:33 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2007-09-22 02:08 am UTC
JKR is Soviet Russia?
[info]tehrin
2007-09-22 12:44 am UTC (link)
Voldemort was just trying to bring about a world full of bunnies, rainbows, peppermint candy-canes, capitalism, and Harmony through ethnic cleansing of a non-magical race (minor collateral damage worth paying to obtain the glory of a Harmony! Wizarding World). Why can't JKR understand?! The world would have been so much better off without the genetically improved Half-Weasley children, bred selectively by the ministry (according to Lissy's Insane Analogy(tm)). Why couldn't she have realized that with Harry's heroic DNA and Hermione's super-brain DNA, they would produce offspring that would be so beautiful and perfect, through the love of Harmony, that it would rival TomKitten's love-spawn? With Harry's superior semen having swam their way up her vaginal canal, Hermione's uterus would have spat out the Second-Coming of the Messiah, fer crying out loud! Instead, we have a bunch of brats running around, destined to be failures because they're tainted with Weasley Blood! ;-;

Seriously, Lissy Sweetums-Buttercup, look at canon before you try to compare Post-Voldie M.O.M. to anything. You need to realize that there has to be a valid comparison to make an analogy work. You can't just reach into a grab-bag of "things Lissette doesn't like" and compare them to something else you don't like.

Although I have to admit that I find bookish people with curly hair or/and thick-rimmed glasses really hot (not to mention redheads...ROAWR).

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Re: JKR is Soviet Russia? - pastri_archy, 2007-09-22 01:35 am UTC
Re: JKR is Soviet Russia? - [info]demiguise83, 2007-09-22 02:37 pm UTC

[info]doomsday
2007-09-22 12:45 am UTC (link)
The random caps really give her rant that Extra Bit of Pizazz!

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[info]jim_smith
2007-09-22 12:52 am UTC (link)
I tend to view the Post Voldemort Wizarding World as a cross between thirties Germany under Chancellor Hitler, when undesirables were already starting to disappear, and Salem under Cotton Matther, where certain people were Born Evil, and needed to be rooted out and destroyed for the good of the whole.

Dammit, is she talking about when Voldemort runs everything briefly in Book 7, or after the heroes beat him, or what? For all I know she means Hufflepuffs are Nazis, because maybe in her "personal canon" they rise up and conquer the world.

You know, maybe if Harry Potter fandom didn't have to compare every freaking thing to Hitler and Christianity, I'd be able to figure out what the hell they're rambling about.

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[info]grrliz
2007-09-22 01:05 am UTC (link)
HITLER INVADED POLAND IN 1939, NOT 1938, DUMBASS.

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[info]hallidae
2007-09-22 02:53 am UTC (link)
... ::forgoes witty commentary in favor of attempting to console her sobbing inner history nerd::

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2007-09-22 03:18 am UTC (link)
As far as I'm concerned, Lysette doesn't fall under the category of "wanky" so much as "unbelievably fucking stupid" (Yes, there is a difference, IMO, albeit a slight one). I don't anything she says can surprise me anymore.

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[info]mmanurere
2007-09-22 04:02 am UTC (link)
I want to see a Lissy/Ginmar steel-cage wankmatch.

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[info]tesgirl123
2007-09-22 04:18 am UTC (link)
Its just so funny how they are ridiculously wrong. I mean, they couldn't be more wrong if they tried.


BTW, fucktard Lysette, where are these Historians that laud Hitler as a "Great Statesmen" if you discount everything past 1938? I need citations for that batshit.

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[info]isntitironic
2007-09-22 04:46 am UTC (link)
...

I know there are jurisimprudence laws about this sort of thing, but the only coherent response I can put together here is: "you're talking about a children's book! Children's book! It is not a grand metaphor! It is not a book on How To Live! It's not even a particularly stellar take on the monomyth! Put the book down, turn your computer off, and go the fuck outside!"

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[info]quietladybirman
2007-09-22 04:53 am UTC (link)
Oh God, Lissy, SHUT UP.

... and what the Hell did all that have to do with Harry Potter? I appear to have lost my Batshit-English dictionary and I can't make head or tail of this, but something tells me I'm better off this way.

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[info]demonbean
2007-09-22 06:19 am UTC (link)
In Sparta, Anyone who died in battle OR IN CHILDBIRTH was given a State Funeral because they died in service to the State.

Because it wouldn't be complete without a Sparta reference, would it?

...I wonder if she thinks Sparta is in Germany.

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[info]lunajadebaggins
2007-09-22 06:45 am UTC (link)
Hey, Lissy: H/G shippers aren't the ones who write marriage law fics.

Examples, Molly constantly harping that all her kids MUST go into the Ministry, even if like the Twins, they have NO aptitude for it.

We hear about that once, by hearsay at that. And uhm... wasn't the one kid who did go into the Ministry the estranged one?

P.S. The Sixth Army was at Stalingrad.

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[info]snowden
2007-09-22 07:48 am UTC (link)
Matther had the right to decide who was worthy to live, and who was not. Only HIS opinion Mattered.

Interesting that she's adopted Cotton Mather's early 18th century style of eclectic capitalization.

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[info]yattara
2007-09-22 03:07 pm UTC (link)
Frankly, I'm at a loss for words.

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sockpuppet_rat
2007-09-22 03:28 pm UTC (link)
MAKE IT STOP.

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[info]auralan
2007-09-22 03:46 pm UTC (link)
I can't read this. It's too early to break out the booze.

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(no subject) - [info]saralina25, 2007-09-22 11:33 pm UTC

[info]pyratejenni
2007-09-22 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Well, this explains the [info]jurisimprudence post the other day.

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[info]shallow_kid
2007-09-22 07:44 pm UTC (link)
I bet I know far more about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland in '38 than you think.

... Yeah. All that time travel Lissy does has obviously screwed up her brain. We finally have our answer!

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(no subject) - sockpuppet_rat, 2007-09-23 03:33 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-09-22 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Ohhhh, Lysette again!

She'd fail lit and history class - and still determinedly preach out of her fail-book.



SleepyMouse

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[info]jujubee
2007-09-23 05:39 am UTC (link)
Ok, I know there is no actual logic to this, but if we were to pretend there is, could someone put this in simple terms for me? It's been like 3 months since I read the book, you can't expect me to understand twisted metaphors in September.

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