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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]hp_cornfield,
@ 2007-09-21 17:03:00


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"You don't know the history of the Third Reich! I do!"
Back in August, Lissy/Lysette ran into a spot of trouble with the old Harry Potter/Hitler comparisons. For your amusement.

Lissy: I tend to view the Post Voldemort Wizarding World as a cross between thirties Germany under Chancellor Hitler, when undesirables were already starting to disappear, and Salem under Cotton Matther, where certain people were Born Evil, and needed to be rooted out and destroyed for the good of the whole. Matther had the right to decide who was worthy to live, and who was not. Only HIS opinion Mattered. I hope Harry doesn't mind that Dumbledore deemed him as Not Worthy. On the other hand, Ronald Weasley is the Poster Boy for the New World Order. The Fourth Reich.

I would never want to live under Rowling's New World Order.
Arya 23:You know this is all nice and dandy to express a displeasure with the new book and its "message" and all as I dont deny it could rise one' eyebrows more than once but comparisons like these you just made are plain ignorant and disgusting. It is very easy to throw comparison to Hitler and Fifth Reich around. Really. But you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lissy: I bet I know far more about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland in '38 than you think. You had those that were born on the "right side" and those that were born on the "wrong side." (Strange that Hitler and most of his cronies would be placed on the wrong side, same as Cotton Matther in his Salem, if someone else was doing the judging.) Things happened like the SS grabbed this wrong guy because he happened to have the same name as someone they were looking for. They sent the casket back with a note on it to the family to not open. The guy they grabbed was a harmless teacher at the local college. In the early Thirties, anyone foolish enough to wear a Military Uniform out in public was likely to be torn to pieces by the Mob because the Military was hated for losing WW I and making things the way they now were. Many Historians have said that Hitler would have gone down in History as a "Great Statesman," if only he had had the good sense to die by 1938. People were already starting to "disappear," but they were only the wrong people. Just ignore it. Right People were safe. After WW I, Germany was beaten like the South after the Civil War in the US. Hitler was rebuilding Germany at an incredible rate, but no one could even imagine what the terrible cost that would be later extracted for it.

Your Duty IS to the State and Nothing else. WHATEVER the State may require of you, Hitler's plan to produce plenty of Aryan Babies to fill the Military and that sort. In Sparta, Anyone who died in battle OR IN CHILDBIRTH was given a State Funeral because they died in service to the State. The Citizens ONLY function is to Serve the State. If they have no service to give to the State, then they are useless and should be discarded. Examples, Molly constantly harping that all her kids MUST go into the Ministry, even if like the Twins, they have NO aptitude for it. To not serve the State is to have No purpose at all. If the State requires you to die, then you better get about it, and not question why. To question the State in any way is Blasphemy. One of my favorite authors was with Sixth Army at Leningrad, and actually lived to write about it after the War.
And then the FA mods warned Lissy off the subject. Short, but bewildering as usual.

ETA: More Hitler Comparisons.



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[info]hoopa
2007-09-23 07:24 am UTC (link)
Matther had the right to decide who was worthy to live, and who was not. Only HIS opinion Mattered.

Well, him and Lissy would have gotten on well then.

The Citizens ONLY function is to Serve the State. If they have no service to give to the State, then they are useless and should be discarded. Examples, Molly constantly harping that all her kids MUST go into the Ministry, even if like the Twins, they have NO aptitude for it. To not serve the State is to have No purpose at all.

Uh... what? How is that an example from the text? A mother wanting her children to have aspirations = Molly Weasley is a Nazi? She acted like nothing more than a mother who wanted her children to do well in life, and if I remember correctly she took part in an order functioning AGAINST the ministry.

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[info]nom_nom
2007-09-23 07:57 am UTC (link)
Why must people continually bash the Weasleys? WHY?

Seriously. I can barely comprehend the level of batshit that must have gone into writing that.

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[info]maegwin_of_hern
2007-09-23 08:51 am UTC (link)
Wait, she said POST Voldemort Wizarding World was like the Third Reich? What. The. Fuck?

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[info]huehau
2007-09-23 03:58 pm UTC (link)
Well, we know a majority of the Weasleys are still alive and quite successful. Ron is a higher up at the Auror department. Ginny is a famous Quidditch player and later reporter. George does quite well with the WWW even without Fred. How else would this family of uncouth, untalented, simple minded redheads have achieved such glory if not for the benefit of a regime oppressing the more talented, smarter non-redheads in the wizarding world?

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-23 06:08 pm UTC (link)
Apparently she must think the world was better under Voldemort...I mean, it's not like Voldemort ever singled out anyone on the basis of their birth or anything...

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[info]analenna
2007-09-23 12:13 pm UTC (link)
I do think Lissy lives in Bizzaro World. You have to read her statements, and then translate them into their actual, quite opposite, meaning.

Example:
I bet I know far more about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland in '38 than you think.

Means:
I bet I know far less about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak not living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland that didn’t happen in '38 than you think.

There.

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[info]jat_sapphire
2007-09-23 03:04 pm UTC (link)
But how could she know less than we think after we read her batshit imaginings?

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[info]anonyrat
2007-09-23 07:56 pm UTC (link)
Um, was I the only person in the world who figured the bloody baby was, er, not real? A metaphorical manifestation of Voldemort's evil nature? That is to say, not an actual squalling baby that you can actually save since the entire thing took place INSIDE HARRY'S HEAD?

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[info]elainie
2007-09-23 08:09 pm UTC (link)
To me, the "baby" was the representation of the fragment of Voldemort's soul that was inside Harry - it showed up in the "after life" (or the way-station TO the after life, if you will) with Harry because they were separated at that time because of Harry's "death." Harry's soul was whole and intact - you'll notice that Harry was completely healthy and normal there. There was nothing DD or Harry could do for that fragment of soul. Harry wanted to help it, which proves that he is still the caring hero we've enjoyed reading about all these years. And he in fact DID try to help "the baby" when he went back by telling Voldemort to have remorse - Harry knew that was the only way to bring the fragments of soul back together. So Harry did all that he could to help.

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(no subject) - [info]paladin, 2007-09-23 10:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2007-09-23 11:10 pm UTC

[info]tesgirl123
2007-09-26 08:13 pm UTC (link)
When I read that passage I immediately thought of the El Greco painting "The Burial of the Count of Orgaz" which distinctly shows the soul of the departed Count rising to heaven as a newborn infant. So JK isn't alone in the Soul-as-a-baby metaphor thing

See the image here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Burial_of_the_Count_of_Orgaz

But, no it wasn't an actual physical infant-

Plus there was the imagery from GOF that JKR used herself---but why would they actually reference something in the text that would show something contrary to their asshattish beliefs

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[info]chickadilly
2007-09-23 09:31 pm UTC (link)
So much of teh crazy!

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-24 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Ya know she is not even funny anymore, its really sad how people at that site let her get away with that shit. You would think after the third or fourth Nazi= shipper/H/G/Rowling comparison that the mods there would throw the bitch off the boards. I am all for free speech but when you pull shit like this you really have crossed the line.

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[info]vorpal_blade
2007-09-24 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Lyssie's eyes should be brown even if she was born with a different colour because she is so completely full of shit.

Dumbledore didn't deem Harry "worthy"? What a brainless way to interpret his not wanting to tell Harry that his sacrificing himself was the only way to destroy the final Voldemort soul-bit because he LOVED Harry too damn much! And where the hell does she get that crap about Ron being the perfect Fourth Reich guy? We know next to NOTHING about the state of the wizarding world post-Voldemort and she feels qualified to compare it to a Hitleresque regime?

Is there some world record for amount of shit a person has pulled out of her ass and posted on the internet? Thank god Arya 23 called her on her bullshit. When will Lyssette (and Anise) finally really how very wrong they are about EVERYTHING connect to the HP series and just go the hell away?

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[info]elainie
2007-09-24 08:48 pm UTC (link)
When will Lyssette (and Anise) finally really how very wrong they are about EVERYTHING connect to the HP series and just go the hell away?

My guess is that Anise will continue to wank on for quite some time, at least until after the last movie comes out.

As for Lysette, I think it's quite plain from her posts about other fandoms that she'll never stop.

I think wanking is their only form of entertainment, actually...

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Not even funny anymore
(Anonymous)
2007-09-25 07:42 am UTC (link)
Another highlight from Lysette:

You know something, given that some babies are born Saved and will go to Heaven no matter how much EVIL they do on Earth, and some babies are EVIL from before they were ever born, even if they become the next Mother Teresa, why didn't Dumbledore just arrange for Tom Riddle Jr. to die right after he got his letter and Dumbledore met him and judged him? Dumbledore "KNEW" what Tom was, so he should have arranged for an accident, if he didn't want to get blood on his "Lily White Hands."

The more I read from Lysette (and a couple other FAP members), the more I'm convinced that she's a psychopath in the making. This isn't just being bitter about your ship not happening and pulling out weird theories out of your rear - this has already entered dangerous territory. With a mindset like that, you're one or two steps away from just grabbing a gun, climbing on the next rooftop and starting to shoot people at random. I'm sure that most of the people that have run amok in the recent past must have left posts like that somewhere on a forum - hell, she'd probably think she was taking justice into her own hands by eliminating the "EVIL" people.

I cannot understand how the FAP mods can tolerate this, or don't see the imminent danger - I know they are heavily biased, but I didn't think they were also *that* incompetent. The girl needs to be stopped - she needs serious help, and they are just letting her rave instead and waiting for this thing to explode in their face, because they are blinded by their own bias. It's pathetic and very disconcerting.

~Marindamar on LJ

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Re: Not even funny anymore
[info]demiguise83
2007-09-25 09:58 pm UTC (link)
Lysette: "If Dumbledore is so EVIL, why didn't he kill Tom as a child? ZOMG, the book doesn't make a sense!"

Also, Lysette would totally kill Tom as a child. And only then thought of the reasons to support it.

As for such madmen in real life, I once suggested someone should show police "Hogwarts Exposed" so they could castrate this pedophile of a typist, but nobody seemed to care. I guess we're generally allowed more on the internet.

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Re: Not even funny anymore - (Anonymous), 2007-09-27 12:03 pm UTC
Re: Not even funny anymore
[info]mediumdave
2007-09-26 04:49 pm UTC (link)
Eh. It's one thing to wish death on fictional characters. Unless Lysette has made threats against real people (the author, fellow fans, board admins, etc.), she probably isn't a psychopath. Self-absorbed, immature and extremely annoying, I'll grant you, but the real danger signs aren't apparent.

Psychopaths certainly exist in fandom, but they're fairly rare and (this is just my experience; I'm not aware of any studies on the topic) not terribly interested in series canon. Their interest in fannish groups is largely opportunistic; i.e. they're looking for vulnerable people to manipulate and harass.

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Re: Not even funny anymore - (Anonymous), 2007-09-27 08:21 am UTC
Re: Not even funny anymore - [info]mediumdave, 2007-09-28 06:02 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-09-25 04:18 pm UTC (link)
"Fifth Reich"? Do you know something we don't, arya23? Also, you have an unfortunate username for this debate.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-09-25 05:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]demiguise83, 2007-09-25 09:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ballseyboo, 2007-09-27 07:51 am UTC

[info]ballseyboo
2007-09-25 09:32 pm UTC (link)
I think I'm going to see if there's a "Crazies Away!" Icon, mine doesn't seem to quite suit this gal. She makes me dizzy with her weird reasoning.

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-28 03:37 am UTC (link)
Not-so-dear Lyssette,
GET HELP!! Oh and a few history lessons might not be a bad idea either.
No love
Me

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[info]jk_ashavah
2007-09-29 05:48 pm UTC (link)
In Sparta, Anyone who died in battle OR IN CHILDBIRTH was given a State Funeral because they died in service to the State. The Citizens ONLY function is to Serve the State.

Please leave my major ou of this.

Am I the only one who fails to see where Sparta comes into it? I mean. I get what she's getting at, but it was all GermanyGermanyGermanyGermany-THISISSPARTA-HP!

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-11-10 02:18 am UTC
Huh?
(Anonymous)
2007-10-04 09:03 pm UTC (link)
"I hope Harry doesn't mind that Dumbledore deemed him as Not Worthy. On the other hand, Ronald Weasley is the Poster Boy for the New World Order. The Fourth Reich."

I am so confused by this. What book was she reading? How and when was Harry declared "not worthy" by anyone? I really don't understand what she is basing her Third Reich/Salem (WTF?) comparison on.

Help! What am I missing?

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Re: Huh? - (Anonymous), 2007-11-10 02:21 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-11-30 06:05 pm UTC (link)
*Reads argument*

*reads it again*

Rassilon, I haven't seen such logic since I looked at the Chick Tracts. O_o

ms_treesap @ lj/ij

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[info]evanwaters
2008-01-05 04:36 am UTC (link)
The part that's sad is that most of the people on that thread seem to agree with her.

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[info]retyped
2009-03-17 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Hitler and the FIFTH REICH?! Hahahaha.

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