Log In

Home
    - Create Journal
    - Update
    - Download

LiveJournal
    - News
    - Paid Accounts
    - Contributors

Customize
    - Customize Journal
    - Create Style
    - Edit Style

Find Users
    - Random!
    - By Region
    - By Interest
    - Search

Edit ...
    - Personal Info &
      Settings
    - Your Friends
    - Old Entries
    - Your Pictures
    - Your Password

Developer Area

Need Help?
    - Lost Password?
    - Freq. Asked
      Questions
    - Support Area



NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]hp_cornfield,
@ 2007-09-21 17:03:00


Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend!  Next Entry
"You don't know the history of the Third Reich! I do!"
Back in August, Lissy/Lysette ran into a spot of trouble with the old Harry Potter/Hitler comparisons. For your amusement.

Lissy: I tend to view the Post Voldemort Wizarding World as a cross between thirties Germany under Chancellor Hitler, when undesirables were already starting to disappear, and Salem under Cotton Matther, where certain people were Born Evil, and needed to be rooted out and destroyed for the good of the whole. Matther had the right to decide who was worthy to live, and who was not. Only HIS opinion Mattered. I hope Harry doesn't mind that Dumbledore deemed him as Not Worthy. On the other hand, Ronald Weasley is the Poster Boy for the New World Order. The Fourth Reich.

I would never want to live under Rowling's New World Order.
Arya 23:You know this is all nice and dandy to express a displeasure with the new book and its "message" and all as I dont deny it could rise one' eyebrows more than once but comparisons like these you just made are plain ignorant and disgusting. It is very easy to throw comparison to Hitler and Fifth Reich around. Really. But you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lissy: I bet I know far more about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland in '38 than you think. You had those that were born on the "right side" and those that were born on the "wrong side." (Strange that Hitler and most of his cronies would be placed on the wrong side, same as Cotton Matther in his Salem, if someone else was doing the judging.) Things happened like the SS grabbed this wrong guy because he happened to have the same name as someone they were looking for. They sent the casket back with a note on it to the family to not open. The guy they grabbed was a harmless teacher at the local college. In the early Thirties, anyone foolish enough to wear a Military Uniform out in public was likely to be torn to pieces by the Mob because the Military was hated for losing WW I and making things the way they now were. Many Historians have said that Hitler would have gone down in History as a "Great Statesman," if only he had had the good sense to die by 1938. People were already starting to "disappear," but they were only the wrong people. Just ignore it. Right People were safe. After WW I, Germany was beaten like the South after the Civil War in the US. Hitler was rebuilding Germany at an incredible rate, but no one could even imagine what the terrible cost that would be later extracted for it.

Your Duty IS to the State and Nothing else. WHATEVER the State may require of you, Hitler's plan to produce plenty of Aryan Babies to fill the Military and that sort. In Sparta, Anyone who died in battle OR IN CHILDBIRTH was given a State Funeral because they died in service to the State. The Citizens ONLY function is to Serve the State. If they have no service to give to the State, then they are useless and should be discarded. Examples, Molly constantly harping that all her kids MUST go into the Ministry, even if like the Twins, they have NO aptitude for it. To not serve the State is to have No purpose at all. If the State requires you to die, then you better get about it, and not question why. To question the State in any way is Blasphemy. One of my favorite authors was with Sixth Army at Leningrad, and actually lived to write about it after the War.
And then the FA mods warned Lissy off the subject. Short, but bewildering as usual.

ETA: More Hitler Comparisons.


(Read comments) - (Post a new comment)


(Anonymous)
2007-09-22 12:25 am UTC (link)
Ah, but she's back at it again with the Hitler comparisons - this just in!:

http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?s=df65d674fe00109dd91c086693e43fd5&postid=1748484#post1748484

A snippet: Why doesn't the Wizarding World just make up a list of criteria that make up the ideal witch or wizard like Hitler's Aryan Race, and anyone who does not fit into those criteria are killed quickly at birth?

and
http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?s=df65d674fe00109dd91c086693e43fd5&postid=1748535#post1748535

If the State can determine, AT BIRTH, if a baby is Saved/Good or Damned/Evil/Fallen, then it is imperative of the State to either destroy all the Fallen/Evil/Defective babies immediately like Sparta, or isolate them from the rest of Society like the Final Solution called for. (Interesting that Hitler and his cronies ALL qualified as Undesirables of the State, and would have otherwise been ALL sent to a Concentration Camp.) The fact that a Stephen Hawkins might be in the group deemed Undesirable by the State doesn't matter. To protect the more desirable members of the population, those that are judged to be UNFIT, need to be removed from the general population IMMEDIATELY for the Public Good.

Interesting that History tends to view those that implement such views as MONSTERS like Cotton Mather (Of Salem Witch Trials Fame) or Hitler, and those that were judged UNFIT as VICTIMS of said Monsters.


(Reply to this)(Thread)


[info]xero_sky
2007-09-22 02:44 am UTC (link)
(Interesting that Hitler and his cronies ALL qualified as Undesirables of the State, and would have otherwise been ALL sent to a Concentration Camp.)

Dear Ignoramus,

No, they didn't, and no, they wouldn't have. Please to be reading up on politics and racial theory in the Third Reich.

Also, victims of genocide generally are regarded as victims. Freaky how that works out.

Finally, please to stop beating off with your shift key, because it makes me want to inflict bodily harm upon you, possibly with a serving fork.

Love and contusions,

Xe

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]demiguise83
2007-09-22 02:19 pm UTC (link)
CoulDn'y read IT. Too mUch Random CAPSloCkinG.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]paladin
2007-09-23 11:56 pm UTC (link)
It isn't directly related to the Godwin's violation, but I think this:

Actually, I wish we were having more of a debate on this board! I would truly like to see how someone else might be understanding this point differently.

is the most headdesk-inducing part of the whole conversation.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]jujubee
2007-09-24 05:23 am UTC (link)
Interesting that History tends to view those that implement such views as MONSTERS like Cotton Mather (Of Salem Witch Trials Fame) or Hitler, and those that were judged UNFIT as VICTIMS of said Monsters.

With all her twisty, turny metaphors, is she trying to say that the Weasleys are MONSTERS and everyone else is a VICTIM, or is she trying to say that everyone looks at Hitler and Cotton Mather as MONSTERS but really they are the VICTIMS?

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


[info]demiguise83
2007-09-24 07:37 pm UTC (link)
Ouch. My brain.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


(Anonymous)
2007-09-28 04:10 am UTC (link)
Interesting that History tends to view those that implement such views as MONSTERS like Cotton Mather (Of Salem Witch Trials Fame) or Hitler, and those that were judged UNFIT as VICTIMS of said Monsters.

First of all, what's with the random capslocking? Secondly, is she actually defending Hitler here?? Third, what kind of freakish moron taught her history?

(Reply to this)(Parent)


(Anonymous)
2007-10-07 05:08 am UTC (link)
Are Hitler and Cotton Mather the only historical figures that she knows? Come on, like they're the only ones who ever killed people based on religion/ethnicity.

- SG

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


[info]heddychaa
2007-11-06 08:19 am UTC (link)
Don't forget Sparta. She knows all about Sparta.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


(Read comments) -

 
   
Privacy Policy - COPPA
Legal Disclaimer - Site Map