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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]hp_cornfield,
@ 2007-09-21 17:03:00


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"You don't know the history of the Third Reich! I do!"
Back in August, Lissy/Lysette ran into a spot of trouble with the old Harry Potter/Hitler comparisons. For your amusement.

Lissy: I tend to view the Post Voldemort Wizarding World as a cross between thirties Germany under Chancellor Hitler, when undesirables were already starting to disappear, and Salem under Cotton Matther, where certain people were Born Evil, and needed to be rooted out and destroyed for the good of the whole. Matther had the right to decide who was worthy to live, and who was not. Only HIS opinion Mattered. I hope Harry doesn't mind that Dumbledore deemed him as Not Worthy. On the other hand, Ronald Weasley is the Poster Boy for the New World Order. The Fourth Reich.

I would never want to live under Rowling's New World Order.
Arya 23:You know this is all nice and dandy to express a displeasure with the new book and its "message" and all as I dont deny it could rise one' eyebrows more than once but comparisons like these you just made are plain ignorant and disgusting. It is very easy to throw comparison to Hitler and Fifth Reich around. Really. But you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lissy: I bet I know far more about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland in '38 than you think. You had those that were born on the "right side" and those that were born on the "wrong side." (Strange that Hitler and most of his cronies would be placed on the wrong side, same as Cotton Matther in his Salem, if someone else was doing the judging.) Things happened like the SS grabbed this wrong guy because he happened to have the same name as someone they were looking for. They sent the casket back with a note on it to the family to not open. The guy they grabbed was a harmless teacher at the local college. In the early Thirties, anyone foolish enough to wear a Military Uniform out in public was likely to be torn to pieces by the Mob because the Military was hated for losing WW I and making things the way they now were. Many Historians have said that Hitler would have gone down in History as a "Great Statesman," if only he had had the good sense to die by 1938. People were already starting to "disappear," but they were only the wrong people. Just ignore it. Right People were safe. After WW I, Germany was beaten like the South after the Civil War in the US. Hitler was rebuilding Germany at an incredible rate, but no one could even imagine what the terrible cost that would be later extracted for it.

Your Duty IS to the State and Nothing else. WHATEVER the State may require of you, Hitler's plan to produce plenty of Aryan Babies to fill the Military and that sort. In Sparta, Anyone who died in battle OR IN CHILDBIRTH was given a State Funeral because they died in service to the State. The Citizens ONLY function is to Serve the State. If they have no service to give to the State, then they are useless and should be discarded. Examples, Molly constantly harping that all her kids MUST go into the Ministry, even if like the Twins, they have NO aptitude for it. To not serve the State is to have No purpose at all. If the State requires you to die, then you better get about it, and not question why. To question the State in any way is Blasphemy. One of my favorite authors was with Sixth Army at Leningrad, and actually lived to write about it after the War.
And then the FA mods warned Lissy off the subject. Short, but bewildering as usual.

ETA: More Hitler Comparisons.


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(Anonymous)
2007-09-21 11:44 pm UTC (link)
And she was very upset at him marrying. That's come out in her posts.

To say the least:

http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?s=df65d674fe00109dd91c086693e43fd5&postid=1723497&highlight=Russell+Crowe#post1723497

Given Crapilogue, I wonder if when Harry and Ginny are talking to someone at a party or something, Harry has his hand "resting" on the back of her neck. If she starts to say something wrong, he squeezes to shut her up. The reason I wonder this, is that Rowling based G/H on something like Russell Crowe and wife unit, and Russy is known for doing that very thing. It makes the wife LOOK like a puppet.

http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?s=df65d674fe00109dd91c086693e43fd5&postid=1723183&highlight=Russell+Crowe#post1723183
Harry and Ginny's relationship is JUST LIKE Russell Crowe and the wife unit, although I doubt Molly would allow Harry to abandon Ginny and live four to five hundred miles away from her like Russell and wife unit do. Although his holding the purse-strings, Molly is not going to be able to mouth off like she would like. In DH, Harry got cold and hard, which is why he likes that Ginny doesn't cry. When she does, he pretends like she is not there, the lying human hosepipe. The odds are, Harry will be over at Ron and Hermione's quite often, and Ginny will be shut out because she is not part of it or wanted because none of their history is she part of. We saw in HBP and DH how much of an OUTSIDER Harry treats his Snogdoll.

Also, given Harry's celebrity, women will be throwing themselves at him all the time. Hermione is Ginny's Nicole Kidman. Wife unit DIDN'T allow Nicole to be invited to their wedding, although she made sure they went to Nicole's. I never thought Rowling would actually put Russell and wife unit's relationship in DH as Harry's own, but I never thought that she would turn her Hero into another Sir Brian the "evil" Templar Knight from Ivanhoe, either.


What wedding dress would Ginny wear to get married to Harry?
Something that is cut down to THERE! and cut up to THERE! like the Thing the wife unit wore to marry Russell Crowe in, which didn't even fit because she was in danger of falling out of it the whole time. Something she thinks makes her look "sexy" but everyone with any sense realizes is Trampy.


And this one, well, it's one of the most "special" - and it's so long, I won't post it here, but woah! It must be seen to be believed!

http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?s=df65d674fe00109dd91c086693e43fd5&postid=1682270&highlight=Russell+Crowe#post1682270



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[info]jim_smith
2007-09-21 11:48 pm UTC (link)
So Russel Crowe is Hitler! And also Cotton Mather.

We're through the looking glass here, people.

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[info]tehrin
2007-09-22 12:00 am UTC (link)
Life would be so much easier if one could just compare everything they didn't like to Hitler like that.

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[info]lidane
2007-09-22 12:01 am UTC (link)
So let me get this straight--

Russell Crowe = Harry
Nicole Kidman = Hermione
Russell Crowe's wife = Ginny

Well, at least we know who she wants cast for the epilogue scene in the seventh film. Hehe.

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[info]morganmuffle
2007-09-22 12:32 am UTC (link)
So who's Meg Ryan? Cho I guess...

Why do I even try to work these things out *gets out the marker pens and graph paper*

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[info]lidane
2007-09-22 06:28 am UTC (link)
So who's Meg Ryan? Cho I guess...

Possibly.

Of course, using Lissy's math, Keith Urban = Ron Weasley, since he and Nicole Kidman are now married.

Why do I even try to work these things out *gets out the marker pens and graph paper*

I ask myself that every time I read about Lissy. Heh.

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[info]freezer
2007-09-22 01:35 pm UTC (link)
Of course, using Lissy's math, Keith Urban = Ron Weasley, since he and Nicole Kidman are now married.

Which would make Tom Cruise Viktor Krum?

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-23 07:14 pm UTC (link)
*CURRENTLY HOLDING BACK LAUGHTER AT THE MENTAL IMAGE OF RON SINGING ANY OF KIETH URBANS SONGS*

~E

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-28 03:18 am UTC (link)
So if
Harry=Russel Crowe
Hermione=Nicole Kidman
Ginny=Danielle Spencer
Viktor=Tom Cruise(ROFLOL)
Ron=Keith Urban (more ROFLOL)
Cho=Meg Ryan
Does that mean Cedric=Dennis Quaid?

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[info]plazmah
2007-09-22 02:22 am UTC (link)
Every time she uses the term "wife unit", my eyebrows twitch in an irritated yet comical fashion.

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[info]demiguise83
2007-09-22 01:15 pm UTC (link)
Seriously. The poor woman must've pissed on Lissy and Crowe's marital bed or something.

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[info]risha
2007-09-22 03:05 am UTC (link)
But... but... where is she even GETTING this stuff?!? There was hardly anything non-kid related in the epilogue, so what is she basing this elaborate comparison on?

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[info]lunajadebaggins
2007-09-22 05:36 am UTC (link)
The same place where "JKR made Ginny and Hermione housewives! JKR promotes patriarchy!" came from.

It's about reading what you want to read in the text, rather than what is there.

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-22 09:07 pm UTC (link)
I think we all know the answer to that. It starts with "H" and ends with "er arse".

- A Good Name

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