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NM ([info]narcissam) wrote in [info]hp_cornfield,
@ 2007-09-21 17:03:00


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"You don't know the history of the Third Reich! I do!"
Back in August, Lissy/Lysette ran into a spot of trouble with the old Harry Potter/Hitler comparisons. For your amusement.

Lissy: I tend to view the Post Voldemort Wizarding World as a cross between thirties Germany under Chancellor Hitler, when undesirables were already starting to disappear, and Salem under Cotton Matther, where certain people were Born Evil, and needed to be rooted out and destroyed for the good of the whole. Matther had the right to decide who was worthy to live, and who was not. Only HIS opinion Mattered. I hope Harry doesn't mind that Dumbledore deemed him as Not Worthy. On the other hand, Ronald Weasley is the Poster Boy for the New World Order. The Fourth Reich.

I would never want to live under Rowling's New World Order.
Arya 23:You know this is all nice and dandy to express a displeasure with the new book and its "message" and all as I dont deny it could rise one' eyebrows more than once but comparisons like these you just made are plain ignorant and disgusting. It is very easy to throw comparison to Hitler and Fifth Reich around. Really. But you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lissy: I bet I know far more about what it was like "on the Ground" so to speak living in Hitler's Germany prior to the invasion of Poland in '38 than you think. You had those that were born on the "right side" and those that were born on the "wrong side." (Strange that Hitler and most of his cronies would be placed on the wrong side, same as Cotton Matther in his Salem, if someone else was doing the judging.) Things happened like the SS grabbed this wrong guy because he happened to have the same name as someone they were looking for. They sent the casket back with a note on it to the family to not open. The guy they grabbed was a harmless teacher at the local college. In the early Thirties, anyone foolish enough to wear a Military Uniform out in public was likely to be torn to pieces by the Mob because the Military was hated for losing WW I and making things the way they now were. Many Historians have said that Hitler would have gone down in History as a "Great Statesman," if only he had had the good sense to die by 1938. People were already starting to "disappear," but they were only the wrong people. Just ignore it. Right People were safe. After WW I, Germany was beaten like the South after the Civil War in the US. Hitler was rebuilding Germany at an incredible rate, but no one could even imagine what the terrible cost that would be later extracted for it.

Your Duty IS to the State and Nothing else. WHATEVER the State may require of you, Hitler's plan to produce plenty of Aryan Babies to fill the Military and that sort. In Sparta, Anyone who died in battle OR IN CHILDBIRTH was given a State Funeral because they died in service to the State. The Citizens ONLY function is to Serve the State. If they have no service to give to the State, then they are useless and should be discarded. Examples, Molly constantly harping that all her kids MUST go into the Ministry, even if like the Twins, they have NO aptitude for it. To not serve the State is to have No purpose at all. If the State requires you to die, then you better get about it, and not question why. To question the State in any way is Blasphemy. One of my favorite authors was with Sixth Army at Leningrad, and actually lived to write about it after the War.
And then the FA mods warned Lissy off the subject. Short, but bewildering as usual.

ETA: More Hitler Comparisons.


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[info]grrliz
2007-09-22 01:05 am UTC (link)
HITLER INVADED POLAND IN 1939, NOT 1938, DUMBASS.

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[info]tehrin
2007-09-22 01:10 am UTC (link)
Wow. Caps of rage over historical details, huh?

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[info]grrliz
2007-09-22 01:12 am UTC (link)
Well I just figure if she's going to claim to know more than everyone else on the subject, she could at least get basic details correct.

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[info]tehrin
2007-09-22 01:21 am UTC (link)
Unless you look at it from the perspective where getting the date wrong is the cherry on the cake of that little rant. What are your thoughts on her Eva Braun comparison?

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[info]grrliz
2007-09-22 01:26 am UTC (link)
I was too blinded by rage at the wrong date that I didn't notice it. :)

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[info]demiguise83
2007-09-22 02:30 pm UTC (link)
I suppose read the Harmonian version of the history book.

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[info]littlebitca
2007-09-22 04:01 pm UTC (link)
That's what you think. She knows that Hitler snuck in early and actually conquered everything before he 'officially' invaded, so the world would be able to see how strong he was. Just like that Harry Potter guy training his army in secret. Yup.

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[info]heddychaa
2007-11-06 08:20 am UTC (link)
He flew in on Buckbeak.

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[info]maegwin_of_hern
2007-09-23 10:33 am UTC (link)
Maybe in Lissy's map, Czechoslovakia was actually part of Poland.

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[info]grrliz
2007-09-23 03:15 pm UTC (link)
I'm sure that once upon a time it actually was! Just not in 1938.

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[info]demiguise83
2007-09-23 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Yup, if it was, that'd have to be before 1772. At that time there was no Reich yet. And it takes two to tango.

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[info]maegwin_of_hern
2007-09-24 05:31 am UTC (link)
The "Second Reich" was still existing back then - the Holy Roman Empire.

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[info]demiguise83
2007-09-24 07:35 pm UTC (link)
"Roman" was it's name? I don't remember. It was something like the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, was it?
I have no history book around, but I think the second Reich was created (thanks to Bismarck) in the nineteenth century and in 1772 there was still Prussia and lots of independent German lands. But I may be wrong.

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[info]maegwin_of_hern
2007-09-25 05:42 am UTC (link)
Yeah, that was the name, though "Holy" was only added in the 12th century. Before that, it was only the Roman Empire, the improved-and-much-more-Christian-than-thou version of the original Roman Empire.

And yes, you're right about the "Second Reich" *headdesk* *is twice ashamed for being German AND a former History student*

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[info]sparkysrevenge
2007-09-25 09:24 am UTC (link)
It's ok, reading about the Reichs and the 50 million variations of the HRE made my head spin in European History, too. ;)

Granted, I don't live in Germany, but I'm American. We come from the dumbest stock EVAR. Hahahaha. (Well, at least everyone's history scores in my school except mine, anyway. Because I are speshul.)

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[info]demiguise83
2007-09-25 10:42 pm UTC (link)
Don't worry, I'm a history nerd myself, and polish history nerd in particular. I've just googled "reich" to remind myself it's history before XVIIIth century :p Also, I never thought of it as successor to the Roman Empire. I don't know why Otto (it was one of Ottos, wasn't it?) employed this name for the country, except for it sounding cool.

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[info]maegwin_of_hern
2007-09-26 05:09 am UTC (link)
No, I think it was Barbarossa, in order to enhance his position vs. the Pope even more. I mean: As Emperor, he was already the Chief Captain of Christianity, but ruling a Holy Empire would make him even much more speshul than before, something the Pope didn't quite want to tolerate.

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