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Jon "Bad Wasabi" Wood ([info]mcity) wrote in [info]i_wank,
@ 2006-01-03 16:49:00


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GAIA downloading wank.
There's a thread in GAIA Online asking people for their feeling on downloading anime. The title is, actually, "Your feelings on downloading anime". I prowl the thread pointing out to n00bs that'll never actually return to the thread pointing out that it's basically theft. No, you don't get to steal it just because it costs a lot. Ever hear tell of "Capitalism"? Let me play the world's smallest violin, just for you. In this thread, I've encountered one of the most tenacious opponents I've ever faced online; Geo_The_#000000_Wizard. According to some of my friends, he's been banned at least once, under another username; "Black Magician Zio". I'd link to examples of it, but Gaia disabled searching for a username's posts in the last update.

This is his first appearence, as far as I can find; Downloading is legally copyright infringement, and not the same as theft. Pay attention; it's only the one arguement he uses.
Except he's not a thief. He's a copyright infringer. Remember that regardless of dictionary definitions, the law draws a distinction between the two. Larceny and copyright infringement are in different classes of offense, and are handled on completely different bases with different burdens of proof.

And as for the rest of you, stop spreading FUD. Nobody is going to jail for pirating anime. Unless you're massively involved in for-profit piracy and selling on street corners, the closest you're going to come to a jail is seeing one on CSI.


Here he is saying that he's justified in his downloading because buying it would've been a waste of money.
[quoted posts about how he downloaded Advent Children, and was glad, because it was bad, and another poster saying that it still wasn't justified]
You miss the point. Because the content was such unadulterated, unmitigated horseshit, I'm GLAD that I DIDN'T support the company. I don't WANT to support any company that turns out stinkers like Advent Children. A member of another forum I frequent said about AC "I didn't pay anything to see this movie, but I'd like my money back." If I HAD paid to rent it or see it in a theatre, I'd be extraoridinarily pissed at both myself for supporting the creation of such drivel, and at the producers for creating the drivel in the first place.

Conversely, I discovered the bands Leaves' Eyes, E.S. Posthumus, and Therion by downloading, and now own albums by all three. Had I not downloaded their work to begin with, they would never have received my support and I would never have been able to experience the wonders of their art.

In this respect, piracy is the great equalizer. It cuts marketing and hype out of the equation and lets shit be acknowledged for shit and appropriately boycotted or ignored, and lets decent work be rewarded with praise, money, and those little mini-pizza things on the hors d'oeuvre trays at the office holiday party.

Pay attention, he'll use that last one later.
Here's my first, non-wanky response to one of his posts. His wanky response;
Oh, YOU'RE using the practical definitions. Well, excuse me. I had forgotten that your arguments hold more validity than those applicable in a COURT OF FUCKING LAW.
At this point, I actually had to stop reading for a few seconds.
And just because what someone does may offend your sense of morals doesn't justify people embarking on scaremongering campaigns to make others fear for their freedom over such an insignificant infraction as copyright infringement.

Tweedil is 120% right. Your moral campaigning isn't going to change shit about shit. In fact, congratulations, Uberdrive, you've just inspired me to pop onto my favourite Direct Connect hub and find me a nice, new, fresh LICENSED anime series to illegally download. Episode 1, coming right up. Wanna try for Episode 2? Or are you going to finally acknowledge that people are going to do as they please and leave them the hell alone about it?
This is the second time I recall that I've actually caused someone to perform the very activity that I've been campaigning against, out of sheer cussedness. The first was that furbashing thing.

FanficGuru says um, that makes no sense. Geo says that FFG just proved his point. FFG responds that it's irrelevant. Etc. Meanwhile, Tweedil The Philisoph[sic] says that the thread is pointless. I do not think the punctuation means what he thinks it means. And then another post, two down. Downloading is tracked to collect popularity data. (One of the few valid arguements I've seen from their side.)

Back at the ranch, I claim that I could use my definition in a court of law, among other things. Geo points out that I'd lose, and I'm misunderstanding him. Several of my responses to this and other posts. Tweedil wants the thread to die because the sides are using the same arguements, and responds to my post in his next. I manage to use a toaster in an analogy. And on and on for pages, up until the last few, when requested backup arrives, and Geo claims that downloading is helping to stick it to the Companies, who will stomp all over The Rights Of The Public if given half a chance. Except that according to him the Rights Of The Public=Fair Use. He even uses 29pt, red, underlined, bolded text. This is about where I realize that he's changed his sig;
In a court of law, copyright infringement is not theft. You will NOT go to jail for downloading anime. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a paid industry tool, an idiot, or clinically insane.

This is roughly the juncture when I realize that I should submit this thread to i_wank before long. He's still using the legal definition, nevermind that it has no relevance in a thread asking for personal definitions. This is also the first wank I've been in where I was inspired to start working on art for; specifically, the phrase "The Revolution Will Not Be Torrented". Oh, and by the way, the law does not need to catch up with the reality, and Slashdot debates it, so it makes sense.

Checking Geo's posts reveals that he promotes downloading. Since soliciting info that helps piracy is against Gaia's ToS, there's a good chance he could be banned soon...again.


There's also Xev-Sama, who pulls the old "It's small by comparison to, say, anything else.", "It's the system's fault!", and "Conveniently misinterpreting the analogy", "The money I spend will never actually reach the animators!" among others. And the indirect threat. See also the thread actually changing someone's opinion.

Yes, I have a female avatar. A lot of guys on Gaia do. A lot of men think Elijah Wood has pretty eyes. It means nothing.
/Addendum 040105: [/sarcasm]


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[info]kadath
2006-01-04 01:43 am UTC (link)
There's a thread in GAIA Online asking people for their feeling on downloading anime.

Too much of a pain in the ass unless you've got a good packet handler to keep your connection from getting saturated, especially with the crippled download speeds of most ISPs.

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[info]mcity
2006-01-04 01:50 am UTC (link)
When I've downloaded, it's been fine. My sister's an addict, and she never reports any problems. All she uses is Limewire.

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(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2006-01-04 01:53 am UTC

[info]esclaramonde
2006-01-04 02:13 am UTC (link)
I've only downloaded Howl's Moving Castle (I'm still buying the DVD when it comes out because I like being able to hear what they're saying). Bittorrent didn't like working at college, but trundled along just fine when I got home.

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[info]platedlizard
2006-01-04 03:47 am UTC (link)
There's a thread in GAIA Online asking people for their feeling on downloading anime.

If time is money, then it isn't worth it when all you have is dialup.

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(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-01-04 03:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2006-01-04 09:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tavalya_ra, 2006-01-05 04:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-01-05 05:16 am UTC

[info]notjo
2006-01-04 02:09 am UTC (link)
find me a nice, new, fresh LICENSED anime series to illegally download. Episode 1, coming right up. Wanna try for Episode 2? Or are you going to finally acknowledge that people are going to do as they please and leave them the hell alone about it?

That is the funniest thing I've heard my whole life.

At least in the last ten minutes. Which has been long, and dull.

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[info]tenma
2006-01-04 02:13 am UTC (link)
Anyone keeping count how many times this argument has happened? Because this all seems so very familiar. I can't decide what's worse, this or the dubs vs sub debate?

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[info]azhidahaki
2006-01-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
I don't think anything in the world can count that high...

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[info]qwertyuiop
2006-01-04 03:17 pm UTC (link)
I can't decide what's worse, this or the dubs vs sub debate?

Psh, they are both equally insane. THey are the kind of topics where you get all the haughty fangirls/boys against the ignorant noobies, and they go on for hours on hours, reaching no conclusion. I dare say if they all really wanted they could go on forever, which I am sure is what is happening somewhere in hell at this moment.

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2006-01-04 11:06 pm UTC

[info]mindset
2006-01-04 02:23 am UTC (link)
Gaia disabled searching for a username's posts in the last update.

No, they didn't, they just made it harder to find, for the moment. Will this do?

He might have also been this guy, but those posts aren't findable - probably either because of a banning or the forum upgrade.


Yes, I have a female avatar. A lot of guys on Gaia do.

Defensive much? (Well, yes, we know that already.) Everybody knows the female items are cooler anyway...

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[info]pokecheck
2006-01-04 02:37 am UTC (link)
I have a dog in my icon. You have a dog in your icon.

IT MEANS NOTHING. TOTALLY.

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(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2006-01-04 02:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-01-04 03:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2006-01-04 03:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2006-01-04 05:54 am UTC

[info]mcity
2006-01-04 03:50 am UTC (link)
No, they didn't, they just made it harder to find, for the moment. Will this do?
Yes, that's him. He even uses the obscure FUD acronym-fouled-up definitions. He could just type BS and save a keystroke; dude's like acronym Rann.

So, how does one find it? Does it involve the maps?
Defensive much? (Well, yes, we know that already.) Everybody knows the female items are cooler anyway...
Sorry if I didn't make the joke clear. And, yes, that's exactly why I have a girl avvie.

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(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2006-01-04 06:09 am UTC

camilla
2006-01-04 03:11 am UTC (link)
A lot of men think Elijah Wood has pretty eyes. It means nothing.

I demand proof. You might be VB for all I know.

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[info]mcity
2006-01-04 03:51 am UTC (link)
Who? And what do you want, a picture of me kissing his photo?

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(no subject) - camilla, 2006-01-04 03:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2006-01-04 05:54 am UTC

[info]puipui
2006-01-04 07:16 am UTC (link)
A lot of men think Elijah Wood has pretty eyes. It means nothing.

Yeah, yeah, that's what they all say. If we were all tinhats, you'd be eating mac 'n cheese by now.

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[info]deoridhe
2006-01-04 03:06 pm UTC (link)
mcity's GAY?

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-01-04 11:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deoridhe, 2006-01-04 11:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-01-05 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-01-05 03:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sadisticferret, 2006-01-05 05:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-01-05 05:45 am UTC
_repost - [info]mcity, 2006-01-05 03:53 am UTC

[info]marlo
2006-01-04 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Somebody just posted that fic in the Harry Potter hate meme, and I love them for it. I even told them so.

Not that I was, you know, reading the hate meme, or posting in it or anything.

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(no subject) - [info]marlo, 2006-01-04 06:59 pm UTC

[info]sashenka
2006-01-04 09:03 am UTC (link)
I prowl the thread pointing out to n00bs that'll never actually return to the thread pointing out that it's basically theft.

Ugh, I completely agree. Even downloading fansubs is the same as buying them, it's illegal either way, so who cares. As far as downloading liscenced anime, I think it makes one an asshat, as it's a small industry and it needs support to stay alive. Not that I actually buy much anime anymore, but still. The price of anime has gone down a lot for most companies since I started buying it nearly nine years ago (All but ADV which is always around $10 an episode, but they translate some of the shittiest anime...). Plus with DVDs, buyers get WAY more episodes for the same amount of money. I remember paying $20 for a VHS with only 2 episodes. Now for $30, you can often get 5-7 episodes from many companies. Stop whining and pay for our entertainment, especially when people are working hard to translate it and sub and dub it.
[/wanky rant]

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[info]braisinhussy
2006-01-04 07:24 pm UTC (link)
I downloaded the El-Hazard OVAs because I own the licensed versions on VHS and I wanted to take screencaps of Rune Venus. I'm sorry. I deleted them right after, though!

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(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2006-01-04 11:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]braisinhussy, 2006-01-05 01:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sashenka, 2006-01-05 04:54 am UTC

[info]hypno_jango
2006-01-04 09:22 pm UTC (link)
(All but ADV which is always around $10 an episode, but they translate some of the shittiest anime...)

And I love them for it. *hugs dubbed Ghost Stories*

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[info]amxjm
2006-01-04 09:18 am UTC (link)
Mostly I'm just annoyed that he used to use the name Black Magician Zio. Dammit, the one villain I ever actually liked, and this guy used him for his name.

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[info]lucky13
2006-01-04 09:57 am UTC (link)
Wait, what, a Zio fan!? O_O

*communes with you like woah*

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(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2006-01-04 10:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]benighted, 2006-01-06 07:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2006-01-06 08:05 am UTC

[info]radiotrash
2006-01-04 12:07 pm UTC (link)
Gaia...o_o I made an account like two years ago with this name. Last year I had some chick contact me and call me lame for 'stealing her username' for her newly made art character..thing. I really don't know.

I was just confused as to how I stole something that I created five gagillion years ago. ;0;

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[info]phosfate
2006-01-04 03:13 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I have a female avatar. A lot of guys on Gaia do. A lot of men think Elijah Wood has pretty eyes. It means nothing.

Again, no furbashing.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-01-05 02:50 am UTC

[info]kelschuu
2006-01-06 09:48 pm UTC (link)
...Wow.

This is why I never get into this debate with people. The entitlement queens piss me off. :D;

Hee hee. ...wood.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-01-07 12:27 am UTC (link)
my first, non-wanky response

I disagree.

I tried to read it all, I truly did, but Gaia's forum design makes my eyes bleed.

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