I have been growing very upset over the mediocrity of Gundam 00 and Macross Frontier. (one, I am of the opinion that Gundam hasn't been good since X, and that Macross has went to a dark and scary place since Zero.) I even sometimes go as far to say the only good Real shows anymore are Patlabor and VOTOMS, despite them being somewhat innaccessable, obscure, and not for everyne.

I don't know WHAT it is about Mainstream appeal, I'm just scared away by things like overly exessive fanservice, and things being different from my norm. In addition to a shitstorm that started because I have been very vocal about me feeling like Gundam 00 is no better than Wing, in addition to other thigns like poorly done Mobile Suit design. I just hate the characters. Setsuna F. Seiei is just Heero Yuy 2.0, Lockon Stratos, being the onyl character I could stand. Keep I mind I also hate Wing and SEED for the same reason, unlikable characters, and 00 feels the same. as for Macross Frontier, I am VASTLY upset because they focus on the Love Trianges too much, turning it into a borderly shoujo program. the special Ranka OP in episode 17 being one of the bigger offenders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYIN256Yc_s

Basically with Gundam 00, it's the same problems that have been plaguaging the franchince due to Wing's Popularity+X and Turn A's unfortunate faulures, as well as the Gold Standard SEED Destiny achevied for the series, as I guess Real Robot is no loger "for me" anymore, as I have also been berated for Hating the malodrama of Code Geass. I miss the days of UC/X where the pilots were less whiney, and when they were, there was an awesome captain/father figure to set them straight, Brightslap etc.

 Macross Frontier. I jsut feel a Macross Show should never had a focal point be a loli moeblob, and that the Valkyrie pilots (as well as the Valkyries and fightscenes themselves, are VERY lacking.) and again, focuses too much on teh shipz. I liked macross when it was about manly pilots like Roy Fokker and Max Genius, and Gamlin, and Kinryu, kicking ass, or awesome singers like BASARA singing aliens to death.

Then on the SUper side, I regularly get berated for not believing that TENGEN TOPPA GURREN LAGANN is not handed down on gold plates by God Himself. I am of the belief that TTGL is "okay at best" and like certain other Super Robot shows more. (Getter Robot (all of it's manga and OVa's as well.), GaoGaiGar/GaoGaiGar FINAL, Might Gaine, Gaiking Legend of Daikyu Maryu, Mazinkaiser, Kotetsushin Jeeg which I am still bitter that it fell off the radar directly because of GL fellatio. etc.) Let me make one thing REALLY CLEAR. I hate Studio GAINAX. after Gunbuster, they lost their magic, and only manage to have popularity with casuals because of EXCESSIVE FANSERVICE BEYOND BELIEVE and INCREDIBLY LOLWUT RANDOM PLOTS, be it through EVA mindscrew, or GL pissing over the conventions of Super Robot.

My MAIN gripe with GL, is the fact it seels itself too bad on it's OH GOD GAINAX HUEG
 budget. just because it's pretty, doesn't make it good. Most of the characters are outright unbearable, the fight scenes have no structure whatsoever, the transformations/combinations are laughable, and it had the worst case of GAINAX END I have ever seen since END OF EVA,

I also don't like how it's fans act toward people who like other Super Robot shows. all this "GL is better than Getter Robo by default" talk for example. now, they argue that my opinions of Gurren Lagann are assinine because I hate the production company, and that I'm not happy if the show is not a quote "Monster of the Week Stock Footage Toy Commercial." I happen to like those things, Stock Footage, longer-better done Transformations, and Monster of the Week, are the very traditions that makes Super Robot what it is. You can't argue with Go Nagai's results! GaoGaiGar also had insane popularity in Japan, but since people love Gainax so very much, they have to bash things someone else likes better, because It's "Impossible for me to have a correct opinion" since I didn't like GL. Another thing I don't like it the ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER song/meme. It's a terrible song i my opinion, and tried to convey as much in a civil fashion, and I get called names due to the fact that "GaoGaiGar's music is terrible." which is Subjective. I just don't like Rap. Engrish/Japanese rap especially. they obviously don't like traditional Hot Blooded Super Robot songs, which GaoGaiGar's soundtrack is known for.

Am, I, Am I really the bad guy in  this? they said that I was Fan Dumb, and specifically, I'm "The Purist" from the TVTropes FanDumb entry. yet I have liked things produced after 1999. I am avid Digimon fan (another thing they call me out on despite my hatred of whiney bishonen in Gundam and such, the difference is I like the Drama in Digimon, as I find it better written than modern Gundam drama. and Digimon has other things, like HOT BLOOD and such to make up for it's drama.) Like I said, I like the 2000 Super Robot Revivals, I liked Kotetsushin Jeeg, and another Grudge I hold with GL as I said, is that it made the new Jeeg series fall under the radar. I also enjoyed the more recent Patlabor OVA's and Movies, I have been very much enjoying VOTOMS Pailsen Files. Am I really being a bad fan, here? as for the forum in question, here is where in the current thread that the latest fight has started: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=65740&page=78